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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby the MDE on Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:47 am

Reading Hill's own comments brought me a bit of comfort. Hopefully he will be okay.
Let's say he does miss the whole season though. Would we have to pay him all of his salary? Isn't there some sort of medical voucher that the team can use if a player misses a large amount of time?
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby KB24 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:39 am

kray28 wrote:Even with the injury, I don't want Kenyon Martin anywhere near this team.

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby LakerFan1980 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:47 am

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby kray28 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:42 am

I don't really see this as a setback that all the chicken littles are seeing it as:

1. When Dwight is healthy and ready to go, he will be able to play big minutes at the 5, including filler minutes with the second unit. Same for Pau who can play at the 4/5.

2. Losing Hill should force Brown to give Jamison more minutes at the 4...a position he will be more effective at than at the 3...which is what Brown was playing him at for large parts of the first preseason game. Jamison is a poor defender anyway...but will have an easier time scoring at the 4 than he will against better defenders at the 3.

3. The chain reaction in turn will free up minutes at the 3 for Ebanks, and the 2 for Meeks, so those two are no longer competing for minutes. It also opens up some possible room for CDR as a swingman as well.

I do like Hill's hustle and rebounding, and we will miss that....but we won't miss it as much as people think with both Pau and Dwight in there for large parts of the game.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:49 am

Crap. This sucks. I like Jordan Hill a lot and this is a pretty bad injury. Not sure that Martin is the answer as he's a backup PF not a 5. Or are we suggesting going small with the bench? I can just see this kind of thing making Brown's substitutions even more insane. Hopefully he's back for the playoffs.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby last stand on Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:51 am

kray28 wrote:I don't really see this as a setback that all the chicken littles are seeing it as:

1. When Dwight is healthy and ready to go, he will be able to play big minutes at the 5, including filler minutes with the second unit. Same for Pau who can play at the 4/5.

2. Losing Hill should force Brown to give Jamison more minutes at the 4...a position he will be more effective at than at the 3...which is what Brown was playing him at for large parts of the first preseason game. Jamison is a poor defender anyway...but will have an easier time scoring at the 4 than he will against better defenders at the 3.

3. The chain reaction in turn will free up minutes at the 3 for Ebanks, and the 2 for Meeks, so those two are no longer competing for minutes. It also opens up some possible room for CDR as a swingman as well.

I do like Hill's hustle and rebounding, and we will miss that....but we won't miss it as much as people think with both Pau and Dwight in there for large parts of the game.


Thank you. I couldn't believe the overreaction to losing hill. He's basically fighting for 7th best player on this team.

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:07 am

Thing is we may start the season with an inside rotation of Pau/Jamison/Clark/Sacre as D12 recently backed off of his "wish" to play in preseason ... he's on track but still unsure of playing in the opening ... who knows he may miss the 1st couple of weeks of the season which would mean heavy minutes for Pau which is not a good thing
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby last stand on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:28 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Thing is we may start the season with an inside rotation of Pau/Jamison/Clark/Sacre as D12 recently backed off of his "wish" to play in preseason ... he's on track but still unsure of playing in the opening ... who knows he may miss the 1st couple of weeks of the season which would mean heavy minutes for Pau which is not a good thing


Clark isn't a huge step down from hill. It's a step down but not by much

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby easyguy on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:36 am

Rooscooter wrote:
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last stand wrote:dr. klapper wasn't dwights surgeon


Watkins was the Surgeon and Klapper is the consulting physician I believe.... what's your point?

I hope both of them come back as close to what they were before they suffered the injuries but I'm also reticent to the fact that they have a good chance of having some limitations .....


There is not a good chance of limitations, that's a pretty bold statement. If your gonna make it at least provide some proof to make the discussion relevant.

Lakers don't make the trade for Howard if hes going to have limitations. Especially with the elite physicians and consultants at the lakers disposal


:man3: .... Did you go to Mayo and look up the condition/surgery/prognosis?..... I know they are just the Mayo Clinic but hey....

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Havn't you heard?, dont go online to try to diagnose or read about certain condition that a person might have, it will just scare you more. Most of the stuff that are posted with these website are based on worst case scenarios. From what I've gathered about this injury is that there is a higher chance of re-injuring it, but most people recover fully. Also I did not get this from one source, I've read multiply sources. Also most people will return to normal, with rest. Dont play on it, let him rest for 1-2 months and then see if the pain is still there, if not he is good to go. From what it sounds like, they found it early and it's not as major as dwight and dwight I believed played on his herniated disc....
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:38 am

I'm not panicking as much as I'm upset for Hill. The kid showed some real progress as a player and it's terrible that he's got to go through this just as he was coming into his own.

Not to mention, with his improved play he provided some good depth and injury insurance. Now I suppose it's the other way around.

As for Clark, that kid is just not a good offensive weapon and he's honestly not a great defender either. He's mobile and can be an okay shot blocker, but he doesn't have the motor that Jordan does/did. Sacre is a decent 3rd string Center type, but he doesn't give the team the same energy and mobility that Hill did.

Again, not panicking just... upset. And until Howard comes back we're going to have to make Pau work a little more than we'd like. That is of course assuming Howard doesn't make it back in the pre-season.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby JSM on Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:50 am

Hill looked poised to have a really good year for us, between the reports out of training camp and from what I saw from our first pre-season game. This is a really tough break for him, hopefully it won't set him back too much and doesn't bother him constantly when he finally does return to the court.

I think we need to grab K-Mart cause he's the best big available and there's been interest there earlier in the summer. We need a break glass in case of emergency big who can actually be counted on, not a rookie like Sacre. Even if that means going small, I'll take that over a kid being thrown to the wolves and having Blake/Duhon trying to create for him. Sacre looked good cause Nash was creating for him. Nash won't be playing with the 2nd unit.

The only thing that is remotely close to being a positive about this is that it will push Jamison to the slot he should be playing at to begin with.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby gcclaker on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:07 am

therealdeal wrote:I'm not panicking as much as I'm upset for Hill. The kid showed some real progress as a player and it's terrible that he's got to go through this just as he was coming into his own.

This. Hill was poised for what could be a breakout season which might net him a nice contract here or elsewhere.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:08 am

JSM wrote: We need a break glass in case of emergency big who can actually be counted on, not a rookie like Sacre. Even if that means going small, I'll take that over a kid being thrown to the wolves and having Blake/Duhon trying to create for him.


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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby dj vitus on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:17 am

karacha wrote:
JSM wrote: We need a break glass in case of emergency big who can actually be counted on, not a rookie like Sacre. Even if that means going small, I'll take that over a kid being thrown to the wolves and having Blake/Duhon trying to create for him.


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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:18 am

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Klapper was just on 710 ESPN and briefly talked about Hill's injury. He said the Lakers did a good thing catching it fast and diagnosing it. He said the location of the injury is worse than Dwight Howards. I think he said the location is near the lower spine/pelvis area. He couldn't say how long it will take for him to come back right now. He said hopefully with rest and core strenghtening excercises he could be back stronger than ever.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:24 am

dj vitus wrote:
karacha wrote:
JSM wrote: We need a break glass in case of emergency big who can actually be counted on, not a rookie like Sacre. Even if that means going small, I'll take that over a kid being thrown to the wolves and having Blake/Duhon trying to create for him.


Absolutely.

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby last stand on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:45 am

therealdeal wrote:I'm not panicking as much as I'm upset for Hill. The kid showed some real progress as a player and it's terrible that he's got to go through this just as he was coming into his own.

Not to mention, with his improved play he provided some good depth and injury insurance. Now I suppose it's the other way around.

As for Clark, that kid is just not a good offensive weapon and he's honestly not a great defender either. He's mobile and can be an okay shot blocker, but he doesn't have the motor that Jordan does/did. Sacre is a decent 3rd string Center type, but he doesn't give the team the same energy and mobility that Hill did.

Again, not panicking just... upset. And until Howard comes back we're going to have to make Pau work a little more than we'd like. That is of course assuming Howard doesn't make it back in the pre-season.


Yes it sucks for him. I hate injuries for players especially after working hard but I'm talking in the scope of the actual season this hurts very little.

Pau won't be playing more minutes in the preseason unless mike brown is stupid. Sacre and symogi will more likely see the floor more

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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:50 am

This is going to have a sizable impact on the season if he's forced to miss most of it. He provides very solid depth for our team.

Say Gasol or Howard goes down with another injury (God forbid). Now we're looking at Robert Sacre playing extended minutes instead of Jordan Hill. Who do you trust more? The clear and obvious choice must be Hill.

I'm not saying that this injury will make or break the success of this team, but depth is depth. We as a fan base were excited about the bench of this team heading into the season and Hill is a part of that. Without him we're missing a good chunk of depth at the 4/5 spot.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby last stand on Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:56 am

therealdeal wrote:This is going to have a sizable impact on the season if he's forced to miss most of it. He provides very solid depth for our team.

Say Gasol or Howard goes down with another injury (God forbid). Now we're looking at Robert Sacre playing extended minutes instead of Jordan Hill. Who do you trust more? The clear and obvious choice must be Hill.

I'm not saying that this injury will make or break the success of this team, but depth is depth. We as a fan base were excited about the bench of this team heading into the season and Hill is a part of that. Without him we're missing a good chunk of depth at the 4/5 spot.


Sizable is way too strong a word. If the reason it will have a sizable impact is its insurance over a Dwight or pau injury then that's a moot point because if pau or Dwight goes down we are screwed whether hill is healthy or not

More likely it just means a shift in the bench lineup

With pau and Dwight splitting the extra small amount of minutes hill would have taken at the 5
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:28 am

"Screwed" meaning what?

If anyone in your first 2 rotations goes down, it's a sizable loss. If Robert Sacre got hurt, no one would make a fuss, but this man was supposed to be in our rotation and now he isn't. Now Gasol/Jamison/Howard/likely Sacre are going to be playing more minutes a game, how is that not a sizable impact?

And I'm not sure why you assume that if Howard or Gasol is injured it means we're "screwed". If they missed 3 weeks (not unreasonable), how does that mean we're screwed? If we had Hill we'd be one superstar down with 3 others who can carry the load for a time, I'm sure we would still be fine through the regular season. Without Hill we are now completely reliant on Sacre to give the Lakers good minutes and that of course means we're in a worse position than before.

Just because I am not panicking does not mean I'm brushing this off as a meaningless injury to a player who doesn't matter. Jordan was a good piece and his absence means some changes for this team. Any time you have to adjust your rotation to fill in the gap left by a player I'd say that constitutes a "sizable" impact.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:37 am

I don't understand why people are so opposed to bring in Martin. While he's not what he used to be he's still a serviceable backup bigman. You look at it and we need someone who can backup Howard because right now with Hill out for the near future we don't have that. Sacre is a scrub. Let's not kid ourselves. If he has to play big minutes we're in trouble. I know Martin is a bit of a knucklehead, but so what? It ain't like he was that big a problem in the locker room for the Clippers why would it be different with us? Besides he ain't the only knucklehead we'd have. Again this is something that needs to be done.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:12 pm

Sources: Lakers' Jordan Hill to be fit for lineup before season opener
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Los Angeles Lakers forward Jordan Hill, the top frontline backup to All-Stars Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol, doesn't need surgery for a herniated disc in his back and will return to the lineup before the Oct. 30 season opener, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Hill, 25, will undergo core strength training on his back to rehabilitate the injury, sources said. He could return to practice within 10-14 days, but Hill's rehab process will be fluid depending on how his back responds to treatment, sources said.
The Lakers issued a statement Monday saying that Hill would be re-examined in seven days. The Lakers' back specialist, Dr. Robert Watkins, examined Hill after Hill played in an exhibition loss to Golden State on Sunday in Fresno, Calif.


Great news per WOJO. :jam2: :jam2: :jam2: :jam2:

I'd keep him out as long as needed though. (6wks).......I think we can get by the first two weeks of the season, but we definitely want him at 100% come playoff time.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby LakerFanIam on Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:17 pm

Great News indeed....! Hill seemed to be optimistic with his Tweet & now this news from Wojo.
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Re: Jordan Hill has a herniated disc in his back

Postby gill on Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:19 pm

Los Angeles Lakers forward Jordan Hill, the top frontline backup to All-Stars Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol, doesn't need surgery for a herniated disc in his back and will return to the lineup before the Oct. 30 season opener, league sources told Yahoo! Sports


Huge sigh of relief! :jam2:
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