Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:51 am

I'm more concerned with who is going to start at SF than Hill starting at 4 which I don't have a problem with. Why is everyone freaking out about Hill all of a sudden? I think he's perfectly capable of playing alongside Gasol. He has before. Do I think Hill is going to become a "Stretch 4" - no. Not in a million years. He can't shoot from distance and his strength is picking up rebounds for garbage points. He plays like a typical PF which isn't a bad thing. If he could ever learn to dive cut the way Odom and Jamison did we'd be in business.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:14 am

Lakerjones wrote:I'm more concerned with who is going to start at SF than Hill starting at 4 which I don't have a problem with. Why is everyone freaking out about Hill all of a sudden? I think he's perfectly capable of playing alongside Gasol. He has before. Do I think Hill is going to become a "Stretch 4" - no. Not in a million years. He can't shoot from distance and his strength is picking up rebounds for garbage points. He plays like a typical PF which isn't a bad thing. If he could ever learn to dive cut the way Odom and Jamison did we'd be in business.

I think he can learn how to roll nicely, but I don't mind him working on a pop shot either. I love that he's working on his jump shot in general. I'm not so much thinking about him being a 3 Point shooter, but if he could develop a nice 15 foot jumper, he'd be a really solid offensive weapon.

And I'm with you on the starting business. Him alongside Pau is going to be pretty nice actually I think.

As for our starting SF: I think it's got to be Johnson honestly. He's athletic, we need the defense, and he's got a semblance of an outside shot to space the floor. Young needs to be our big scoring punch off the bench.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:36 pm

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Lakerjones wrote:I'm more concerned with who is going to start at SF than Hill starting at 4 which I don't have a problem with. Why is everyone freaking out about Hill all of a sudden? I think he's perfectly capable of playing alongside Gasol. He has before. Do I think Hill is going to become a "Stretch 4" - no. Not in a million years. He can't shoot from distance and his strength is picking up rebounds for garbage points. He plays like a typical PF which isn't a bad thing. If he could ever learn to dive cut the way Odom and Jamison did we'd be in business.

I think he can learn how to roll nicely, but I don't mind him working on a pop shot either. I love that he's working on his jump shot in general. I'm not so much thinking about him being a 3 Point shooter, but if he could develop a nice 15 foot jumper, he'd be a really solid offensive weapon.

And I'm with you on the starting business. Him alongside Pau is going to be pretty nice actually I think.

As for our starting SF: I think it's got to be Johnson honestly. He's athletic, we need the defense, and he's got a semblance of an outside shot to space the floor. Young needs to be our big scoring punch off the bench.


I don't mind him working on his shot at all either. Mid-range? Sure! And he could improve there. I just mean he's not going to be Ryan Anderson or anything. I don't want him shooting threes. He doesn't have that range. If he were going to be Channing Frye, he'd be that already. Those are the guys I think of as "Stretch 4's." Mostly I just want him to play his game - hustle, defend, board. Learn to dive cut, too.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:30 pm

Yeah I'm definitely not going to expect a stretch four, but mid-range game is something we've been wanting from Hill for a long time.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:27 pm

Jordan Hill Shooting 1000 jumpers a day


Jordan Hill worked on improving his jumper this offseason by taking at least 1,000 shots per day.

Hill is hoping to become more of a stretch forward in Mike D'Antoni's system.

Hill shot 33 percent from 16 to 23 feet from the basket last season.
Via Mark Medina/Los Angeles Daily News


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229839/Jordan-Hill-Shooting-1000-Jumpers-Per-Day

Good for him, I'm glad he's working on his shot. As long as those are mid-range jumpers I'm happy. He doesn't need to be shooting threes
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby XXIV on Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:28 pm

I remember his mid-range jumper being pretty respectable last season before he got injured. When he returned it was pretty inconsistent, but hopefully all these jumpers help.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby therealdeal on Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:35 pm

I don't mind mid-range jump shots. We've been saying he needed to work on those basically since we got him.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Sirron on Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:53 pm

Trade bait if he can't most likely
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby CarFlagChris on Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:37 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:I'm more concerned with who is going to start at SF than Hill starting at 4 which I don't have a problem with. Why is everyone freaking out about Hill all of a sudden? I think he's perfectly capable of playing alongside Gasol. He has before. Do I think Hill is going to become a "Stretch 4" - no. Not in a million years. He can't shoot from distance and his strength is picking up rebounds for garbage points. He plays like a typical PF which isn't a bad thing. If he could ever learn to dive cut the way Odom and Jamison did we'd be in business.

I think he can learn how to roll nicely, but I don't mind him working on a pop shot either. I love that he's working on his jump shot in general. I'm not so much thinking about him being a 3 Point shooter, but if he could develop a nice 15 foot jumper, he'd be a really solid offensive weapon.

And I'm with you on the starting business. Him alongside Pau is going to be pretty nice actually I think.

As for our starting SF: I think it's got to be Johnson honestly. He's athletic, we need the defense, and he's got a semblance of an outside shot to space the floor. Young needs to be our big scoring punch off the bench.


Hills pick and pop with Nash should be very effective.
However, he cannot do that if he is ostracized to the corner, like Pau was last year, until Kobe took over coaching the team.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Weezy on Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:59 pm

So he barely played and wasn't very good. 'Antoni trend of not liking him, or just one preseason game trying to get a look at guys trying to make the team instead? I hope not trend, because I prefer Hill play more than a to of small lineups.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby karacha on Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:29 pm

I like Hill, but he will have to play better then this.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:19 am

Weezy wrote:So he barely played and wasn't very good. 'Antoni trend of not liking him, or just one preseason game trying to get a look at guys trying to make the team instead? I hope not trend, because I prefer Hill play more than a to of small lineups.


Yeah I can see him being the main victim of MDA antics i.e in and out of the rotation during 10 games stretches for no reason /to play small ball at the 4.

I don't like playing small at the 4 by default , you only do it when you have to match the Lebron/Melo of this world ... it's more an Eastern Conf thing , a lot of West teams still play with a true PF at the 4
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:24 am

I thought he was decent out there. Did what he does basically - picked up the garbage, got some boards, gave some help D. I think he'll be a better fit with the starters - Nash, Kobe, Gasol, than with the bench guys.

And just as I thought, he's not going to turn into a stretch 4 any time in the foreseeable future.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby pound4pound1 on Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:44 am

Lakerjones wrote:I thought he was decent out there. Did what he does basically - picked up the garbage, got some boards, gave some help D. I think he'll be a better fit with the starters - Nash, Kobe, Gasol, than with the bench guys.

And just as I thought, he's not going to turn into a stretch 4 any time in the foreseeable future.




you dont know how many times my buds quipped 'stretch 4 eh' last night every time Hill clanked one
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby trodgers on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:01 pm

D'Antoni doesn't like that style of play, unfortunately. He'd be a bread and butter guy in Phil's rotation, but I just don't think it's going to work out with MDA. Happy to be proven wrong.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:48 pm

trodgers wrote:D'Antoni doesn't like that style of play, unfortunately. He'd be a bread and butter guy in Phil's rotation, but I just don't think it's going to work out with MDA. Happy to be proven wrong.


Yeah, he's a very solid, typical 4 IMO. Most coaches other than D' Antoni would be fine with that. But I agree with you and that's why I said I wasn't so sure that this current team was as great a fit for D' Antoni as they've been saying.

Basically Earl Clark and Jamison were better fits there for him. And I think we lost quite a bit since they are gone.

I look at our squad and we're really heavy on Guards and Centers. And not much in between. Pau, Kaman, Sacre, and Gadzurich makes for 4 Centers.

Hill is the only legit PF. Johnson is most definitely NOT a 4. Then we have 3 PG's and a handful of SG's: Kobe, Meeks, Young, Henry.

We are weak in the forward department. I'm hoping personally that Henry will continue to play well and maybe move to SF. Maybe Johnson will come around there as well and Williams and maybe Landry?

Still who does that leave as a legitimate 4? Only Hill that I can see. Unless Dwyer heals up.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby WilliamHaven on Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:48 am

Two games in a row where he hasn't looked good, no matter minutes played. If Sacre can make the most of his minutes, so should Hill no matter "Dantoni style." Rebounding and making put-backs is fundamental...not a style....and he's blowing it. Oh well, hopefully it's just preseason awkwardness.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:05 am

I think his dog ate his "summer assignment".
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:45 am

Eh, I'm sure Hill doesn't want to go 100% in the presesason knowing what happened last season. I think he's just going through the motions.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:36 am

Punk-101 wrote:I think his dog ate his "summer assignment".


:man10: One thing should be certain after watching Hill's flatfooted clankers, the only time Jordan's name and Stretch 4 should be in the same sentence is: "Jordan Hill will NEVER be a Stretch 4." Sorry. Just use him for what he's good at.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Aonex on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:39 am

Punk-101 wrote:I think his dog ate his "summer assignment".


Trying to figure out if he put lead weights on his ankles while working on his "jump" shot this summer, cause that thing is ugly.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:42 am

Aonex wrote:
Punk-101 wrote:I think his dog ate his "summer assignment".


Trying to figure out if he put lead weights on his ankles while working on his "jump" shot this summer, cause that thing is ugly.


:man10: It really is FUGLY. I like the fact that he's trying to improve his game, but man, he needs a shooting coach if he's going to do that, because his form is hideous.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby lotus on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:15 am

He should forget trying to be a stretch 4 and just be a real power forward, Williams and even Caveman can handle the stretch part. Hill is good at what he does, hustle and rebound, and this team needs that kind of player. When our interior defense starts getting their butts handed to them for being too soft, Jordan Hill will be the one that offers some toughness.

I like teams that have tough players, which is why I always liked Metta on this team, but that's what I fear with this team. But, since everyone is new, maybe there are a few I don't know about.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby borri on Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:40 am

I don't see Hill in a Laker uniform for more than a couple of months this year. Trade bait.
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Re: Jordan Hill's Summer Assignment: Become A Stretch 4

Postby therealdeal on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:42 am

Hill's shot hasn't changed at all. :man10:

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