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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby trodgers on Wed Dec 25, 2013 12:41 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:After what I have seen Morris by a landslide. Better defender, shooter and athlete. Marshall can't shoot, can't defend and is unathletic to the point he isn't getting better. Morris' real issue is over dribbling and over penetrating.

He's 22 and the youngest player on our roster. That quote's absolutely ridiculous. There's almost no chance he DOESN'T get better.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby Barnstable on Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:13 pm

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cthroatgtr wrote:After what I have seen Morris by a landslide. Better defender, shooter and athlete. Marshall can't shoot, can't defend and is unathletic to the point he isn't getting better. Morris' real issue is over dribbling and over penetrating.

He's 22 and the youngest player on our roster. That quote's absolutely ridiculous. There's almost no chance he DOESN'T get better.

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He's not showing much so far, but he's young, and new to this roster. I'm not suggesting he'll eventually be starter material, but people really need some patience.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby trodgers on Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:31 pm

He's had a pretty unimpressive start. No doubt. I wouldn't rule him out as a rotation player eventually, but ruling him out of the NBA at this point is premature.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby cthroatgtr on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:38 am

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cthroatgtr wrote:After what I have seen Morris by a landslide. Better defender, shooter and athlete. Marshall can't shoot, can't defend and is unathletic to the point he isn't getting better. Morris' real issue is over dribbling and over penetrating.

He's 22 and the youngest player on our roster. That quote's absolutely ridiculous. There's almost no chance he DOESN'T get better.


Did you watch him? Only way that shot ever works is when he is completely unguarded. He is as slow as Fisher was his last few years with the team. So his ability to guard PG is limited already. Those things won't get any better. Morris is also 22. The big difference is he has some athleticism so there is some hope. You can't learn athleticism you either have it or you don't. Marshall doesn't have it. Why DC dumped him immediately.

If Luke Walton was 6'2" he would be Marshall...
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby trodgers on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:55 am

You've made my point. Walton had a solid NBA career.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby cthroatgtr on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:01 pm

trodgers wrote:You've made my point. Walton had a solid NBA career.


Walton had one decent year and made a ton of money for it. His career was so good he is already in the booth.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:18 pm

He needs a training camp...
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby hollywood swinger on Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:21 pm

horrible pickup. lack of backup pg has cost team about 3-4 games since injuries hit & we bring in a klown that has no place in the nba.smart move to get in lottery. :man10:
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby hollywood swinger on Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:21 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:He needs a training camp...


he needs a new body :man10:
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby jadej2 on Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:48 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:horrible pickup. lack of backup pg has cost team about 3-4 games since injuries hit & we bring in a klown that has no place in the nba.smart move to get in lottery. :man10:


Well what the hell you expect them to do it was either this or trade Pau.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:01 pm

I figure Mitch knows what he's doing. D'Antoni is probably using him wrong.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:32 am

D'antoni is great at squeezing the most out of PG's but it's possible that it only applies to experienced PG's. He got multiple double digit assist games out of Duhon who isn't even in the league this season but couldn't get anything out of Morris.. He made Blake look like Steve Nash.. Just because he's great at utilizing experienced PG's doesn't mean he's great at developing young PG's, entirely different things there.. He may not be able to get anything out of Marshall but I think if we go out & sign Lowry in the summer he'll make him look like a top 5 PG.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby nduri on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:22 am

LakersN4 wrote:D'antoni is great at squeezing the most out of PG's but it's possible that it only applies to experienced PG's. He got multiple double digit assist games out of Duhon who isn't even in the league this season but couldn't get anything out of Morris.. He made Blake look like Steve Nash.. Just because he's great at utilizing experienced PG's doesn't mean he's great at developing young PG's, entirely different things there.. He may not be able to get anything out of Marshall but I think if we go out & sign Lowry in the summer he'll make him look like a top 5 PG.


Would love to see what D'antonio can do with Lance Stephenson. He may still end up being the bargain of this upcoming free agent class. His game is pretty complete, can play the 1 or 2, good rebounder for his position and moves the ball well. He'd probably be my second choice in free agency if Lebron isn't available, not yet a max guy, but a very nice building block.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby earvinfr on Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:43 am

Why didn't we sign Morris. At least he could have played 5-10mn.

Morris was not good but what's the purpose of bringing Marshall in if he gets no playing time. I think Morris could be usefull on defense and maybe more confortable with the faster tempo we're able to run.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby nduri on Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:55 am

Defense will be an issue, but I don't think tempo will. He's not that quick compared to a lot of the other 1's in the league but his passing ability can move an offense. He is very smart and can make a niche with the right team and the right system. I will withhold judgment on his Lakers career until he can get through the nerves and get a few practices in. I'm not thinking he'll be a superstar, but should be someone who can run a team well as a backup/marginal starter for a bad team with a good rim protector.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby cthroatgtr on Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:30 am

nduri wrote:Defense will be an issue, but I don't think tempo will. He's not that quick compared to a lot of the other 1's in the league but his passing ability can move an offense. He is very smart and can make a niche with the right team and the right system. I will withhold judgment on his Lakers career until he can get through the nerves and get a few practices in. I'm not thinking he'll be a superstar, but should be someone who can run a team well as a backup/marginal starter for a bad team with a good rim protector.


Phoenix acknowledged their mistake by dumping him after 1 year and Washington was so enamored with him they dumped him immediately. He really isn't any good. Even Telfair would have been a better signing. I am not sure Mitch can judge talent either.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:26 am

^ I give Mitch a pass on Marshall if he ends up being a bust.. He has a soft spot for Tarheels.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby trodgers on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:49 am

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trodgers wrote:You've made my point. Walton had a solid NBA career.


Walton had one decent year and made a ton of money for it. His career was so good he is already in the booth.

After 10 years, how many people are still playing? Being in the booth is a testament to his knowledge and pedigree as opposed to a criticism of his ability as a player.

Luke played 10 seasons in the NBA, started 138 games, appeared in 564. He scored more than 2000 points, handed out 1300 assists, and grabbed 1500 rebounds (he's one of 477 players to do that). His career per36 minute numbers are 10-6-5.

He started 12 playoff games, played almost 1300 playoff minutes, and was a key contributor in one of the two playoffs for which he won a ring.

What % of players do those things? Given that he was a second round pick, I think Walton was ahead of the curve. If that's not a "solid" NBA career, I wonder what the standard is.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby trodgers on Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:53 am

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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby karacha on Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:53 am

Yeah, for the 2nd round pick, Luke did pretty well IMO. At the end of his career he was awful though, moving around in cement shoes and hitting the side of the backboard pretty often, but that's off-topic really. He was a solid system player when he was younger.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby nduri on Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:52 pm

cthroatgtr wrote:
nduri wrote:Defense will be an issue, but I don't think tempo will. He's not that quick compared to a lot of the other 1's in the league but his passing ability can move an offense. He is very smart and can make a niche with the right team and the right system. I will withhold judgment on his Lakers career until he can get through the nerves and get a few practices in. I'm not thinking he'll be a superstar, but should be someone who can run a team well as a backup/marginal starter for a bad team with a good rim protector.


Phoenix acknowledged their mistake by dumping him after 1 year and Washington was so enamored with him they dumped him immediately. He really isn't any good. Even Telfair would have been a better signing. I am not sure Mitch can judge talent either.


Maybe expectations play a role in that as well. It's one thing to be a high draft pick coming to a team, and complete another to come up from the D-League. Right now we are looking for SERVICEABILITY out of him, not multiple All-Star appearances. Someone can come off the bench to back up Farmar for a few minutes a game and not blow big leads. That's all, we are not looking for him to be in the MVP conversation. Anything we get out of him beyond that is a bonus, and if we don't get that, what have we lost???
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby trodgers on Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:19 pm

cthroatgr: by your standards, Telfair WAS NOT as good - because he wasn't picked up.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:26 pm

Is he still on the roster? He looked waaay overmatched out there. He's yet another D league stat hound that doesn't belong up here.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby cthroatgtr on Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:06 pm

trodgers wrote:cthroatgr: by your standards, Telfair WAS NOT as good - because he wasn't picked up.

Telfair can give you 5-10 minutes...not sure about Marshall...and seriously Mitch has not been great at judging talent. Not picking up a veteran is one thing. Dumping a lottery pick after one year is another. Clearly Phoenix immediately recognized he wasn't any good and cut bait. DC didn't bother to even find out. He isn't an NBA player, simple as that.
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Re: Lakers Sign Kendall Marshall

Postby cthroatgtr on Sun Dec 29, 2013 6:07 pm

More importantly 5 page thread on Kendall Marshall is all you need to know about how far the Lakers have fallen.
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