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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby gcclaker on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:19 am

So 24 buckled down on the defensive end? Maybe he heard Jeff Van Gundy critiquing his effort and commitment during the OKC game.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:28 am

Most of the mainstream media has ignored Kobe's defensive woes over the past 3-4 seasons, but only now are they starting to pay attention to it because it has become egregiously bad. Hopefully that's not what's motivating him to start defending though or that's kind of sad.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Jellincon on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:32 am

^^ I sort of think that's a result of the media not always watching the games.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Weezy on Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:16 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Most of the mainstream media has ignored Kobe's defensive woes over the past 3-4 seasons, but only now are they starting to pay attention to it because it has become egregiously bad. Hopefully that's not what's motivating him to start defending though or that's kind of sad.


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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Weezy on Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:29 pm

I don't disagree at all, he hasn't. At his age now though, it's kinda going to be good defense or carrying the scoring load, not both. So as long as the whole team carries the scoring load together Kobe will be free to play harder defense, but when they stink and he has to score I don't expect much. That said there is never an excuse for his just plain lazy defense, the gambling, the roaming, not watching his man and getting beat backdoor, stuff like that.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:39 pm

I like him defending and staying focused on that end and hopefully with him being the leader of the team he can lead by example. At his age though, guarding the perimeters best player might not be a great strategy long-term. At times, we're going to need his offense and asking Kobe to play 36-38 minutes playing both offense & and defense at the same level of intensity for a 34 YO is a tall order.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Ariza3 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:01 pm

“@TWCSportsNet: Video: How can Kobe make life miserable for opposing point guards? @CoachDaveMiller breaks it down. http://t.co/YE82mHgd #Lakers”
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:38 pm

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/stor ... ntoni-says

Bigger defensive role for Kobe Bryant
Updated: January 14, 2013, 8:30 PM ET
By Dave McMenamin | ESPNLosAngeles.com

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- If the Los Angeles Lakers are going to make a push to get back in the postseason hunt, they'll have to improve their defense.

Therefore, the Lakers have turned to none other than Kobe Bryant to spearhead that defensive turnaround.

Bryant drew the primary defensive assignment against Kyrie Irving on Sunday and limited the Cleveland Cavaliers star guard to just 15 points in the Lakers' 113-93 victory.

In the wake of Bryant's outstanding effort against Irving, Lakers coach Mike D'Antoni has vowed to use the veteran guard in similar defensive situations.

"I think that really helped us," D'Antoni said. "It helped us against the Clippers with Chris Paul. (Bryant) wants to take the challenge, and it really helps us."

While Bryant has the defensive credentials to perform in such a role -- he's made the NBA's All-Defensive First Team nine times and the Second Team three times -- it's a surprising job for the 34-year-old to assume at this stage of his career.

Last season, Bryant was left off the NBA's All-Defensive First Team for the first time since 2005, as Paul and Memphis' Tony Allen bumped him to the Second Team.

The duty of playing lock-down defense also will cause Bryant, the league's leading scorer at 29.8 points per game, to expend more energy that could be used on the offensive end.

However, the Lakers are ranked sixth in the league in offensive efficiency with a 106.3 points per 100 possessions average. D'Antoni figures Bryant's scoring can take a back seat if it means his dedication to defense can help the Lakers' porous defensive efficiency -- 103.7 points allowed per 100 possessions, which ranks 21st in the NBA.

"He disrupts the whole offense on the ball," said D'Antoni, who added that Bryant will draw either Brandon Jennings or Monta Ellis when the Lakers host the Milwaukee Bucks on Tuesday. "He's done that a couple games, so we'll continue to milk that one."

Lakers guard Steve Nash said that a more difficult assignment actually makes Bryant a better defensive player than when he's left to guard someone who is not as big of a threat.

"Kobe's a guy that likes a challenge, so to give him a challenge I think sometimes is best for us," Nash said. "Sometimes when he maybe is guarding someone who isn't going to demand his interest, he can wane a little bit. But when we put him in a position where he's challenged, he can be phenomenal.

"I think it's almost two-fold. I think he was the key to the game (Sunday). He took Irving out of the game and at the same time, offensively he was terrific. So that's the type of player he's capable of being on a nightly basis, as we all know, and I think for our team, his leadership and the way he took that challenge was phenomenal."

The challenge for D'Antoni in bestowing the new defensive responsibilities on Bryant is to try to limit his playing time so that the 17-year veteran doesn't get run down with 45 games remaining in the regular season.

Bryant is averaging 38.7 minutes per game this season, which ranks No. 1 amongst all guards in the NBA.

"That's what worries me and that's why I took a long time to put him there and that's why, even now, I still have some trepidation," D'Antoni said. "But he's taking the challenge. I told him his minutes got to go down -- they got to go down. He doesn't love that, but he's willing to do anything to make us win.

"He's always going to be focal point or the lightning rod of a lot of things here in Los Angeles. But I've only found a guy that wants to win and as a coach, I couldn't ask for anything more than that."


Mind-f*** Kobe into being a defensive stopper and win games?

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Juronimo on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:46 pm

Mind-f*** Kobe into being a defensive stopper and win games?

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Legendary on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:52 pm

^
Whether it's a mind-f*** or not....I think Kobe has FINALLY realized he needs to step up the defense.

At least that's what I hope...
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:38 pm

Is a stupid decision unless if Mike is going to do two things

1 - Demand Nash shoots the damn ball 10+ times a game and picks up scoring slack
2 - Limits Kobe's minutes because no one including Bron or KD can play D and O for 40mpg nightly
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Juronimo on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:48 pm

Well it's a great decision if Mike 2 monitors Kobe's minutes and keeps it around 36 or so.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Punk-101 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:48 pm

Why the hell did it take MDA or Kobe this long to realize this?
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Weezy on Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:03 pm

Punk-101 wrote:Why the hell did it take MDA or Kobe this long to realize this?


Probably too, him that long to gather the courage to tell Kobe there was actually something he could be doing better at. I think it went something like this

Mike: "uh... Kobe, you know it would be real nice if you could maybe uh, you know stick a little closer to your man on d. I mean not to say that you're not great and all and uh 'roam' and 'gamble' are such ugly words, maybe just uh don't try and help so much since Dwight is already protecting the paint. I mean if that's ok with you *laughs nervously* "

Kobe: *glares and does his teeth baring thing* "what was that now?"

Mike: "I... I was just saying it sure would be good if you could try and help us that way Kobe, it would be real good that you did that son. Oh please don't hurt me, don't wish me into the corn field, it was all Chuck's idea that I ask you, honest, oh god help me *runs away*

Kobe: *laughs and goes about his business*

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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Armani on Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:11 pm

Punk-101 wrote:Why the hell did it take MDA or Kobe this long to realize this?


Doesn't care enough about that end or just assumed that Kobe lives up to his D reputation.

Either way, great move. He's a solid on ball defender.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:27 pm

I don't really care if Kobe defends the best player on the other team or not, I just want him to TRY no matter who he is guarding.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby phoenixrisingla on Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:32 pm

I agree with what a lot of you have said already.

All I care about is the effort. Guard your man when off ball. Dont wander and gamble every time down the floor.

I dont care who he guards, just consistently try.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:26 pm

Armani wrote:
Punk-101 wrote:Why the hell did it take MDA or Kobe this long to realize this?


Doesn't care enough about that end or just assumed that Kobe lives up to his D reputation.

Either way, great move. He's a solid on ball defender.


when he cares about the match-up he is a great on ball defender. Even with this news I'm not sold that he will continue to be a great defender when he doesn't have someone to really challenge him. Tomorrow he will surely be much better again on defense with having the likes of Monta or Brandon to guard.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby trodgers on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:31 pm

For the record: LeBron doesn't play 40 minutes a night, and KD doesn't play 40 minutes of D.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: ten 30pt game streak

Postby Finwë on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:57 pm

The Rock wrote:So crazy how he's perceived based on how we win/lose he isn't playing any differently now than he ever did (this year or last year especially)...its simple he'll keep dishing the ball if guys are making their open shots and try to facilitate and move the ball around.

This so much. I find it quite amusing.
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Magic Skywalker wrote:Kobe played great D and did facilitate, but it's not like he didn't score or shoot this time, like some people are saying.

Yeah sure, by boxscore it's just 23 points and 14 shots, but that is his usual performance. The only difference is that he had a bigger rest on the 2Q, he unusually rested on the 3Q (foul trouble) and didn't play on the 4Q.

Great point, a lot of people seem to be missing that.

If he had played the fourth or even the rest of the third like he usually does, then he ends up probably with 30 points on 18-20 shots or something like that.
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby gcclaker on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:25 pm

Another bad by-product of Bryant's free safety defense is that his assignment has a free run for an offensive rebound. Even though the squad has two good rebounders in Gasol and Howard, the backcourt still have to track who they are checking and box out. It is frustrating to see a stop go to waste when opposing 2's and 1's sneak in to get the ball off the boards.
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Re: Kobe’s Defense

Postby lyth on Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:17 pm

If anyone is interested in a statistical record of Kobe’s defense in the last two games, I’ve included a log.

Oklahoma (Jan. 11, 2013)
Spoiler:
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 6 Pts (1st QTR)
  • 10:45 10-feet Durant over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 7:50 15-feet Ibaka over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 7:30 Bryant drew charge on Westbrook (Not Called)
  • 6:15 Westbrook drew block on Bryant (Sean Corbin)
  • 4:25 18-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 2:55 10-feet Durant over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 2:30 Westbrook drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 1:35 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 5 Pts (2nd QTR)
  • 5:45 10-feet Westbrook over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 4:50 Bryant drew offensive foul on Westbrook (Scott Foster)
  • 3:45 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 1:00 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 3 Pts (3rd QTR)
  • 11:10 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 7:55 15-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 6:45 at-rim Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 1:40 23-feet Martin over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 0 Pts (4th QTR)
  • 8:15 at-rim Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
WESTBROOK 3-9 FG | DURANT 2-2 FG | IBAKA 1-1 FG | MARTIN 0-1 FG

Cleveland (Jan. 13, 2013)
Spoiler:
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 5 pts (1st QTR)
  • 7:30 23-feet Irving over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 0:15 10-feet Irving over Bryant (2 pts)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 0 pts (2nd QTR)
  • 2:50 at-rim Irving over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 2 pts (3rd QTR)
  • 9:40 Irving drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 9:35 18-feet Irving over Bryant (Missed)
  • 8:05 at-rim Irving over Bryant (Missed)
  • 7:40 Bryant drew charge on Gee (Not Called)
  • 6:40 18-feet Irving over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 4:45 Gee drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 2:15 Irving drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 1:35 Irving drew block on Bryant (Dan Crawford)
IRVING 3-6 FG
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Re: Kobe Bryant Discussion: D-ing up!

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:25 pm

^ That's some really interesting stuff there.

Thanks a lot for posting it!
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Re: Kobe’s Defense

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:38 pm

lyth wrote:If anyone is interested in a statistical record of Kobe’s defense in the last two games, I’ve included a log.

Oklahoma (Jan. 11, 2013)
Spoiler:
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 6 Pts (1st QTR)
  • 10:45 10-feet Durant over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 7:50 15-feet Ibaka over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 7:30 Bryant drew charge on Westbrook (Not Called)
  • 6:15 Westbrook drew block on Bryant (Sean Corbin)
  • 4:25 18-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 2:55 10-feet Durant over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 2:30 Westbrook drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 1:35 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 5 Pts (2nd QTR)
  • 5:45 10-feet Westbrook over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 4:50 Bryant drew offensive foul on Westbrook (Scott Foster)
  • 3:45 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 1:00 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 3 Pts (3rd QTR)
  • 11:10 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 7:55 15-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 6:45 at-rim Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 1:40 23-feet Martin over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 0 Pts (4th QTR)
  • 8:15 at-rim Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
WESTBROOK 3-9 FG | DURANT 2-2 FG | IBAKA 1-1 FG | MARTIN 0-1 FG

Cleveland (Jan. 13, 2013)
Spoiler:
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 5 pts (1st QTR)
  • 7:30 23-feet Irving over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 0:15 10-feet Irving over Bryant (2 pts)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 0 pts (2nd QTR)
  • 2:50 at-rim Irving over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 2 pts (3rd QTR)
  • 9:40 Irving drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 9:35 18-feet Irving over Bryant (Missed)
  • 8:05 at-rim Irving over Bryant (Missed)
  • 7:40 Bryant drew charge on Gee (Not Called)
  • 6:40 18-feet Irving over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 4:45 Gee drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 2:15 Irving drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 1:35 Irving drew block on Bryant (Dan Crawford)
IRVING 3-6 FG


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Re: Kobe’s Defense

Postby KB24 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:49 pm

lyth wrote:If anyone is interested in a statistical record of Kobe’s defense in the last two games, I’ve included a log.

Oklahoma (Jan. 11, 2013)
Spoiler:
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 6 Pts (1st QTR)
  • 10:45 10-feet Durant over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 7:50 15-feet Ibaka over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 7:30 Bryant drew charge on Westbrook (Not Called)
  • 6:15 Westbrook drew block on Bryant (Sean Corbin)
  • 4:25 18-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 2:55 10-feet Durant over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 2:30 Westbrook drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 1:35 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 5 Pts (2nd QTR)
  • 5:45 10-feet Westbrook over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 4:50 Bryant drew offensive foul on Westbrook (Scott Foster)
  • 3:45 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 1:00 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 3 Pts (3rd QTR)
  • 11:10 23-feet Westbrook over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 7:55 15-feet Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 6:45 at-rim Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
  • 1:40 23-feet Martin over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 0 Pts (4th QTR)
  • 8:15 at-rim Westbrook over Bryant (Missed)
WESTBROOK 3-9 FG | DURANT 2-2 FG | IBAKA 1-1 FG | MARTIN 0-1 FG

Cleveland (Jan. 13, 2013)
Spoiler:
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 5 pts (1st QTR)
  • 7:30 23-feet Irving over Bryant (3 pts)
  • 0:15 10-feet Irving over Bryant (2 pts)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 0 pts (2nd QTR)
  • 2:50 at-rim Irving over Bryant (Missed)
KOBE’S DEFENSE: 2 pts (3rd QTR)
  • 9:40 Irving drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 9:35 18-feet Irving over Bryant (Missed)
  • 8:05 at-rim Irving over Bryant (Missed)
  • 7:40 Bryant drew charge on Gee (Not Called)
  • 6:40 18-feet Irving over Bryant (2 pts)
  • 4:45 Gee drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 2:15 Irving drove on Bryant (Stripped)
  • 1:35 Irving drew block on Bryant (Dan Crawford)
IRVING 3-6 FG


welcome and thanks for sharing it...impressive numbers.
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