King of Clutch wrote:Lol no. In terms of around the rim, I could see the argument being made for griffin. But over the full court? Driving from the 3pt line and being unstoppable in that process? Lbj has the edge. Fast break locomotive? Lbj has the edge. Weak side help? lbj has the edge, on both offense and defense. Blake griffin is a high flyer. Its funny how that's your description of "best athlete", how high you can jump. But if there is any other reason why you think griffin is a better athlete besides his vertical, please let me know, i'd love to hear it. Westbrook is a mini lebron in terms of athleticism. That alone should be enough for that argument.
Also, I didn't know that lbj had the best post game last season. Mind providing a link? would love to see the whole list. And thats besides the point. Kobe bryant is in a whole different LEAGUE when it comes to post play. So there's no reason to even get into that. Also, about kobe's recent stretch, he's not "rebounding the same". He's actually averaging 8.6 rebounds per game, impressive for a guard playing alongside one of the best rebounding centers in the league. As well as assisting much more. Also, I don't know why you're ignoring what i'm saying. I've said that lbj has found that perfect balance of scoring and assisting which has eluded kobe bryant so far. But in terms of doing one thing with excellence, I don't think lbj is better than kobe in any respect excluding rebounding. I said this in my last post, yet you still post lbj stats. Either you chose to ignore it for arguments sake, or missed it.
Regardless I don't think we'll be on the same page. Disagree on many core things. I'll just agree to disagree so this can just come to an end. Sound good?
griffin can run, have you seen how fast the guy can run. he's probably the fastest end to end PF in the game on top of his strength (which he's stronger than lebron) and his leaping ability.
now lebron at 24 and griffin at 24 i'd say lebron was the better athlete but that's straying from the point. i did miss your point about lebron finding balance however lebron has always had that balance if we are talking full games.
now before or if i continue this argument i need to know how you define an all around player. the post game argument confuses me, but heres the link, it's not a link showing a list. still looking for one, but he led in scoring per post up, and scoring efficiency from post up. the 2 categories kobe is leading in now.http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr
it confuses me because what does a post up game have to do with this discussion. we aren't discussing who's the more versatile scorer because thats not even a discussion. kobe is the most versatile scorer of all time.
the debate is who is the better all around player. well before we continue, what's your definition of all around. from reading your post it seems like you say being able to do multiple aspects of the game with excellence but not at once, at any time. but an all around game to me means doing everything with excellence at once. i would never say rondo is an all around offensive player because his scoring is average at best. but lebron? he does everything at an extremely high level.
but kobe? i think kobe is an underrated all around player. i think to many in the media peg him as only a scorer. i guess the main part of my disagreement is your argument is based around pegging 5 games against an entire season. if kobe only grabs 3 rebounds a game for the next week does your opinion change, if he scores 40ppg while putting up nothing else statistically for the next 2 weeks does your opinion change? rhetorical questions, my point is 5 games is too small to say he's better than this or that than anyone. what has kobe's career shown us.
he's the best scorer to every play and he's played defense, passed, and rebounded pretty well. lebron's career has shown he scores at a top 3 level every year but his rookie year while being close or in the top 10 in assists every year.
on top of his rebounding.
if kobe does this for the rest of the season, while picking up his scoring, then i'll say ok, maybe had kobe played this way from his youth he'd be the better all around player, but until then its too soon to say any of that which was my point from my original post on the subject