Kobe Bryant Discussion: Reason for Lakers downfall?

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Postby JGC on Sun May 26, 2013 7:33 am

LAKEROC wrote:^ Then I truly and wholeheartedly wish him nothing but the best in coming back from his horrific injury he sustained this year; however seeing how Steve Nash has performed at 38, and all the issues with his back, and Kobe coming off the WORST injury of his career, really makes me question whether paying Kobe 10 million after this contract is a good one. Remember that he has been in the league since 17, and has easily logged more minutes than any other current NBA player, due to his deep playoff runs. Life without Kobe must happen at some point in life. It's inevitable. It would be in the Lakers best financial interests for Kobe to retire after this upcoming season. Dr. Buss is dead, Phil is not returning to coaching. It's the end of an era. All good things...


Well, the good news is we should get a preview in to Kobe's abilities post-injury for at least a couple of months next season. If he shows the ability to play at or near his previous level then I think there is a reasonable case there. Where it gets a lot more difficult IMO, is if he comes back and significantly struggles or if he cannot come back at all.

From a pure cap perspective, paying him $30M like we did when he was healthy wasn't in our best interests either. No player is worth more than half your cap. But his value to this franchise extends beyond just the cap view so you have to take that in to account as well. If this were fantasy basketball, I'd agree with you entirely. But, he has value from a revenue generation perspective, a veteran leadership perspective, and then there is the value of having him remain a Laker because of what he means to this franchise that directly contributes to the bottom line and that allows the team more financial flexibility as a result. The Lakers can afford to go further beyond the cap paying Kobe $15M or whatever than they could some other player at the same amount.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun May 26, 2013 9:28 am

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LAKEROC wrote: He can come back at vet. minimum for 2 years, otherwise their is the door. Thanks for all the memories, but buisness is buisness, and we can't have this guy, no matter how brilant of a player he has been over the years eating our cap space. No thank you! I want us ready for when Wall- Curry- Irving-Love-LeBron are free agents.


You've had some classic posts over the years and this one now takes its place among them.


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Postby lakersin4 on Sun May 26, 2013 10:13 am

Hahahaha he said not the mle, not the mini mle.. If we can get Kobe to play a couple more years at 10 like Duncan I'd be ecstatic. If he gives us a couple more seasons at 15 I think we'd still be getting a bargain. He was a top 5 player in the league during his hot start to the season & then again during his Magic Johnson phase.. The ONLY concern with Kobe is this injury.. It's 1 that has ended/significantly altered careers & 18 seasons in, nothing is certain. But we all know Kobe will do everything doctors tell him to & then some to get back on the court & show the doubters. If anyone can come back from this as good/better than before, it's Kobe.
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Postby karacha on Sun May 26, 2013 11:07 am

lakersin4 wrote:... If he gives us a couple more seasons at 15 I think we'd still be getting a bargain.....


Well, let's not go overboard here.
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Postby lakersin4 on Sun May 26, 2013 11:45 am

karacha wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:... If he gives us a couple more seasons at 15 I think we'd still be getting a bargain.....


Well, let's not go overboard here.

Assuming he gives us as much as he gave us this season, I don't see how you can do better for 15. Every player that you can make an argument for over Kobe is getting max money. Most of those players don't bring in close to the revenue 24 does either.
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Postby karacha on Sun May 26, 2013 11:59 am

I'm not making an argument for any player. I simply think Kobe should take a more significant pay cut (like Duncan, for example) to help the team out a bit. That's all. Something in the 9-10M range, not 15. If possible.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: shark swimming / #prayforthesharks (664)

Postby Finwë on Sun May 26, 2013 2:47 pm

Dr. Robert Klapper ‏@DrRobertKlapper 5min
KOBE now doing calf raises! Clinically reveals the GAP that was the torn tendon is now working as a single unit. Eyes on the Prize!


Dr. Robert Klapper ‏@DrRobertKlapper 3min
When a patient begins calf raises after Achilles repair the tendon feels Stuck to the skin. The exercises break the scar and Unsticks It


Dr. Robert Klapper ‏@DrRobertKlapper 1min
When we break scar after Achilles Tendon repair pain and popping occur. The key is timing. After 6 weeks the pop is scar and not Retearing!


Dr. Robert Klapper ‏@DrRobertKlapper 37s
Many patients are alarmed when swelling and bleeding occur during rehab. Scar will mimic normal tissue in this regard.


Good stuff from Klapper
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun May 26, 2013 8:40 pm

That's great news. I was just about to post those tweets. I have a good feeling regarding Kobe's rehab. With the advances in medical technology, considering who performed his surgery & who he's working with in rehab, it's safe to say he's getting world class care and should be ready to play before we all think, IMO.
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Postby trodgers on Mon May 27, 2013 8:30 am

Klapper seems like a weird dude. More like a hype man than a physician, but I suppose he knows what he's doing.
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Postby 432J on Mon May 27, 2013 8:54 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:I really really don't like it :disagree:

Before Kobe got his first tattoo years and years ago I had always hoped he would stay clean in that department growing up. I'd hope he'd be different than a lot of NBA players. I have gotten used to his first tattoo and thought it was alright.

But this........ Come on MAN

this

i always liked how kobe had no tats when he was younger and when he got his first one it was like whatever to me. but this one's just gonna look odd on him. i'm sure i'll get used to seeing it but it'll definitely be weird.

and i really hope he keeps that beard and goes for the malone look
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Postby XXIV on Mon May 27, 2013 10:22 am

trodgers wrote:Klapper seems like a weird dude. More like a hype man than a physician, but I suppose he knows what he's doing.


He's just really into what he does and he's one of the best at it too.
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Postby Finwë on Mon May 27, 2013 2:07 pm

trodgers wrote:Klapper seems like a weird dude. More like a hype man than a physician, but I suppose he knows what he's doing.

My problem with him is that he kinda doesn't come out as a truly serious and active doctor when he's tweeting all the time... But he seems to know his stuff and is probably just enjoying a little spotlight, nothing mroe
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Postby jlkr on Mon May 27, 2013 6:09 pm

Finwë wrote:
trodgers wrote:Klapper seems like a weird dude. More like a hype man than a physician, but I suppose he knows what he's doing.

My problem with him is that he kinda doesn't come out as a truly serious and active doctor when he's tweeting all the time... But he seems to know his stuff and is probably just enjoying a little spotlight, nothing mroe

If you were treating Kobe, you'd want a little spotlight too! Going to be good for business.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon May 27, 2013 6:26 pm

Robert C. Klapper MD
Director, Joint Replacement Program
Orthopedic Surgeon, Cedars-Sinai Medical Group, Cedars-Sinai Health Associates

Robert C. Klapper, MD, is a board-certified orthopedic surgeon at Cedars-Sinai Medical Group and Cedars-Sinai Health Associates. He also is Co-Director of the Joint Replacement Program at the Cedars-Sinai Orthopaedic Center.

Dr. Klapper is a leader in hip arthroscopy, a "keyhole" minimally invasive surgical technique. Currently, Dr. Klapper holds nine patents on the angled telescope and specially designed instruments used in the procedure.

Dr. Klapper also designed a tool that is used when a hip implant has worn out over time and needs to be replaced with a new prosthesis. Dr. Klapper's invention produces an ultrasound frequency that reduces the cement to a chewing gum consistency facilitating the cement removal.

Dr. Klapper was the orthopedic consultant to the TV show "ER." He has written books, chapters and articles on arthroscopy, ultrasonic technology in joint reconstruction, water rehabilitation techniques for hip joints, and other topics. He also makes presentations to professional societies and provides instruction in hip arthroscopy.

A graduate of Columbia University, Dr. Klapper received his medical degree from Columbia's College of Physicians and Surgeons before interning in general surgery at Cedars-Sinai and the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine. He completed his residency in orthopedic surgery at Cornell University's Hospital for Special Surgery. He was a Dean's Research Fellow in the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University, completing fellowships in biochemistry and orthopedic surgery. He later completed a fellowship in implant/total joint replacement at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Clinic.

Dr. Klapper founded, in 1995, the Sports Medicine Information Network, a company that uses digital animation to produce educational video that clearly depicts and explains sports injuries.

Dr. Klapper is also a Qualified Medical Examiner and he serves as clinical assistant professor in the Department of Orthopaedic Surgery at the University of Southern California School of Medicine.

Dr. Klapper practices at 8737 Beverly Blvd., Suite 303, Los Angeles, CA 90048. His phone number is (310) 659-6889.

http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Bios---Phys ... er-MD.aspx


These are Dr. Robert Klapper's credentials; I seen some of the comments and thought posters here would like to know a little more about his background & and give us more insight into the doctor who is tweeting about Kobe. If this doesn't apply, Mods, I apologize.
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Postby trodgers on Mon May 27, 2013 6:48 pm

^ It's all good.
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Postby Tragic on Tue May 28, 2013 5:30 am

Dr. Klapper is the best. A doctor who is a die hard laker fan tweeting positive and hopeful things about Kobe's unfortunate injury. How can he of all people annoy you? We have the [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] coach in the league and you guys are complaining about this ? :bang:
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 28, 2013 7:32 am

karacha wrote:I'm not making an argument for any player. I simply think Kobe should take a more significant pay cut (like Duncan, for example) to help the team out a bit. That's all. Something in the 9-10M range, not 15. If possible.


I'm not sure Kobe does this.... warranted or not. Just doesn't seem like his style. I could very well see him waking away when faced with becoming the second highest paid player on a team. Kind of like his comment when asked if he would average less than 20 or come off the bench.
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Postby trodgers on Tue May 28, 2013 9:14 am

Tragic wrote:Dr. Klapper is the best. A doctor who is a die hard laker fan tweeting positive and hopeful things about Kobe's unfortunate injury. How can he of all people annoy you? We have the [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] coach in the league and you guys are complaining about this ? :bang:

How can he annoy me? He does. Maybe using more exclamations in his posts will convey his superior skills as a doctor to you. Or maybe he'll come off as merely passionate to you. I don't begrudge you those interpretations. I simply disagree.

People are dying for lack of food and you're banging your head over a post about Kobe's doctor? :bang:
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Postby Tragic on Tue May 28, 2013 9:22 am

Using that argument what's the point of watching or caring about frivolous sports games. Let's solve world hunger, clearly it's more important than basketball. No more caring about basketball. There are more important issues.

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Postby therealdeal on Tue May 28, 2013 9:28 am

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Postby trodgers on Tue May 28, 2013 1:40 pm

Hilarious swing and miss, Tragic.
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Postby Finwë on Tue May 28, 2013 2:45 pm

jlkr wrote:
Finwë wrote:
trodgers wrote:Klapper seems like a weird dude. More like a hype man than a physician, but I suppose he knows what he's doing.

My problem with him is that he kinda doesn't come out as a truly serious and active doctor when he's tweeting all the time... But he seems to know his stuff and is probably just enjoying a little spotlight, nothing mroe

If you were treating Kobe, you'd want a little spotlight too! Going to be good for business.

Of course. But I saw it like this: If I'm a guy with some money and want the guy who operated Kobe, a guy with a very impressive resume, to operate me, and a'm very serious about this whole thing, I don't want to see my surgeon tweeting a lot every day about basketball players..
It's just a perception thing. It makes him more popular, but it could make him look less "serious" for high end clients..
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Postby trodgers on Tue May 28, 2013 2:49 pm

I'm with Finwe. It doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing or that he's a terrible doctor. It's just strange, and it rubs me the wrong way - even if he has Kobe's permission, which I bet he does.

It's like if I go on Twitter and post:

My students are learning every day! They are becoming more intelligent! More able to question the world around them!

People think that philosophy is old books from dead guys! But philosophy is LIFE!

Fine...doesn't mean I'm an idiot or that I don't know what I'm doing. It's just strange.
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue May 28, 2013 3:46 pm

Solve World Hunger!?.....

WTH... it looks like I walked in on the bogus question session for the final 5 in a Beauty Pageant....


this is going to be a really long offseason isn't it?...
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Postby scheven on Tue May 28, 2013 3:50 pm

trodgers wrote:I'm with Finwe. It doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing or that he's a terrible doctor. It's just strange, and it rubs me the wrong way - even if he has Kobe's permission, which I bet he does.

It's like if I go on Twitter and post:

My students are learning every day! They are becoming more intelligent! More able to question the world around them!

People think that philosophy is old books from dead guys! But philosophy is LIFE!

Fine...doesn't mean I'm an idiot or that I don't know what I'm doing. It's just strange.


I don't think he's Kobe's doctor. He just makes commentary on the side. He works for ESPN too I think
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