Kobe Bryant Discussion: Reason for Lakers downfall?

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:45 am

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:49 am

therealdeal wrote:There's not much you can do when someone falls into your legs. There's nothing you can do really except relax and try to roll with the blow, but that's not easy.

The reason knees are getting torn up now is because the game is based off of athleticism and not skill development. There's very few real ball handlers now. There's very few players with excellent footwork. Hell I think Kobe might be the last one left.

The game is based off of pushing your body to the limits of it's athleticism and that means tearing ligaments and muscles that can't handle the strain. Much like football trying to temper concussions, the NBA allowed for less strict perimeter defense. That means the perimeter players take a bigger role. That means athleticism is king and that means more serious non-contact injuries.


And the crapshoot of how these guys land when they are high flyers and are met physically in the air. We'll never have to worry about Kendall Marshall. :man10: And he can still handle and dish like a mutha.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:57 am

^ Marshall definitely comes to mind. :man10:

Other guys who have done a good job of staying healthy by learning the game the right way: Andre Miller, Derek Fisher, and some of the bigs who don't jump like Chuck Hayes. Now some of that is because they CAN'T but some of it is just smart play too.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:26 am

Kobe shoots too much anyway.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:47 pm

Mike Bresnahan ‏@Mike_Bresnahan 56s
Kobe says he expects huge things from Lakers' front office going forward. Says he has "not one lick" of patience for future.
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Kobe says that he has no patience for the Lakers front office to take another year to build a contender. He expects changes this summer.
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Sure Kobe.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:52 pm

:man10:

What does the FO know that we don't? Kobe doesn't need to take a pay cut, they let Phil walk, Nash isn't cut or waived or traded... What exactly are we supposed to look forward to THIS summer? What do they know that we don't?

Because if the answer is nothing then I don't see a rebuild in anything less than 2 years at which point Kobe is gone.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:55 pm

Bill Oram @bill_oram 4 minutes ago
Kobe very directly said the Lakers turnaround starts at the top. Mentioned Jim/Jeanie Buss relationship, and what team does w/ D'Antoni.

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:01 pm

Kobe needs to keep that in house. Basically just told everyone our FO is two children fighting over the last piece of candy.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:05 pm

Maybe Kobe's pissed Phil is heading to NY.

Either way....if fans can't get the FO's attention, then maybe this "fan" can. I agree that things need to stay in house....but only when we are truly in contention....

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:05 pm

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby karacha on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:06 pm

Kobe says that he has no patience for the Lakers front office to take another year to build a contender. He expects changes this summer.


:man10:

Kobe is slowly transitioning into standup comedy. What changes? Keeping some of these young guys, cheap, solidifying our bench for the future? OK, what else? Hopefully, a nice draft pick? Sure. Finally, we can pick up a solid, 2nd tier young player to play some wing or the 5, maybe. Is that a contender? No, until Summer 2015, it's not. It could be a playoff team with healthy Kobe, sure, but not more then that. He must be joking.

And in the Summer of 2015, if we get lucky, we can start building a team that can contend. Will that be right away? Probably not. That new, young team will still need a year to gel. And by that time, Kobe's gone. Is he aware of the length of his contract? :man3:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:06 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Bill Oram @bill_oram 4 minutes ago
Kobe very directly said the Lakers turnaround starts at the top. Mentioned Jim/Jeanie Buss relationship, and what team does w/ D'Antoni.


Ooooh :man12:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:09 pm

karacha wrote:
Kobe says that he has no patience for the Lakers front office to take another year to build a contender. He expects changes this summer.


:man10:

Kobe is slowly transitioning into standup comedy. What changes? Keeping some of these young guys, cheap, solidifying our bench for the future? OK, what else? Hopefully, a nice draft pick? Sure. Finally, we can pick up a solid, 2nd tier young player to play some wing or the 5, maybe. Is that a contender? No, until Summer 2015, it's not. It could be a playoff team with healthy Kobe, sure, but not more then that. He must be joking.

And in the Summer of 2015, if we get lucky, we can start building a team that can contend. Will that be right away? Probably not. That new, young team will still need a year to gel. And by that time, Kobe's gone. Is he aware of the length of his contract? :man3:

He's expecting the Lakers to go after Melo this summer maybe? :man10:

I don't think so Kob. Sorry.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:10 pm

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:11 pm

I'm not mad at Kobe for saying it how it is...

The only thing that bothers me is that if Kobe feels this strongly, he could have held alot more leverage in how this summer turns out, if he had not already signed that extension.

Kob should have held off till management committed to "due diligence"....then and only then does he re-ink his deal. Blown opportunity....

Now, management is in the driver's seat and they already know that Kobe's name alone will get the majority of fans to come on back to this crap show.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:18 pm

The Lakers have officially ruled Kobe Bryant out for the remainder of the 2013-14 season after an examination with team physician Dr. Steve Lombardo determined Bryant’s fractured left knee still has not healed.

“Obviously this has been a frustrating and disappointing season, but I appreciate all the support I’ve received from the Lakers and the fans, and look forward to being back and ready for the start of training camp,” Bryant said in a statement released by the Lakers.

“With Kobe’s injury still not healed, the amount of time he’d need to rehab and be ready to play, and the amount of time remaining in the season, we’ve simply run out of time for him to return,” Lakers trainer Gary Vitti added in a statement. “However, Kobe will have the entire offseason to heal, rehab and prepare, and we look forward to him being 100% for the start of next season.”

The Lakers initially declined to provide an update on Bryant’s recovery on Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning, citing his planned reevaluation on Friday will provide more clarity on where his recovery stands. But Lakers coach Mike D’Antoni expressed skepticism last week that Bryant would play this season for a number of reasons.

Bryant hadn’t advanced his rehab beyond stationary bike exercises. Even if Bryant had received the go-ahead to advance in his training, the Lakers have expected it would take a couple of weeks before he fully progresses toward full-court practices even if he doesn’t experience any setbacks. Considering the Lakers (22-42) enter Thursday’s game against Oklahoma City with only 18 games remaining, that appears to be a tight window for Bryant to return. Even though Bryant had hoped to play this season both to build his rhythm and see what adjustments he might have to make this offseason, D’Antoni has downplayed those variables.

The Lakers are destined to miss the playoffs for only the fifth time in franchise history. They have a slew of young players on one-year deals they want to evaluate under the benefit of significant minutes. There’s, of course, risk Bryant could experience additional injuries to derail his potential offseason progress.

Bryant missed the first 19 games of the season while rehabbing his left Achilles tendon. He appeared in six games, averaging 13.8 points on 42.5 percent shooting, 5.7 turnovers and 6.3 assists, a far drop from his career 25.5 points on 45.4 percent shooting, three turnovers and 4.8 assists. Bryant then injured his left knee after colliding with Memphis forward Tony Allen on Dec. 17.

“It’s progressing slowly. It really tests my patience,” Bryant said in a recent interview with Jacques Slade from Kustoo.com that mostly centered on his work with Nike. ”There’s only so much I can do. I find myself relegated to a bike. The first few weeks, it’s cool. I’m getting a good workout in. Third or fourth, I’m thinking I need to do something else. I want to play. I want to run.”

Bryant has cemented his legacy partly through playing through numerous injuries. But until now, Bryant had never played fewer than 50 games in a season beyond the lockout-shortened year in the 1998-99 campaign.

Despite Bryant’s health issues, the Lakers secured him to a two-year, $48.5 million extension last November before even seeing him return to the court. Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak has since said he still doesn’t regret the decision, both mindful of how Bryant has elevated the Lakers brand through five NBA championships and optimistic Bryant will recover from his latest ailments.

“We’re not going to push him to get back,” Kupchak said this month. “I don’t see why you would. We’ve made a commitment to him for two more years, and I just don’t know why we’d do that [push him to come back]. But if he feels he’s ready and he’s in shape and he gets the doctor’s approval, then there’s no reason why he couldn’t do that.”

According to ESPN, the Lakers will get back only $4.75 million of Bryant’s $30.45 million salary through the NBA’s insurance policy.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:20 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Maybe Kobe's pissed Phil is heading to NY.

Either way....if fans can't get the FO's attention, then maybe this "fan" can. I agree that things need to stay in house....but only when we are truly in contention....

We are a sinking ship and those responsible need to get lit up!


I'll change my mind on the matter if results in Jim/Jeanie growing up and taking control of the team like adults, MDA getting canned and them establishing a direction the team needs to go in.

Until then, i think it makes us look weak going into a time when we are going to need to sway players to come here because we sure as heck aren't trading for them.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby Vasashi17 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:22 pm

^^^I don't disagree with that at all, Doc.

However, personally, I want the FO slain and when you got guys like Magic, Worthy, Kobe and if Chick were still here, I'm sure he would cut in on them too...you just know something needs to change ASAP! Put them on blast and raise the temperature on 'em till they change.

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:38 pm

It's a good thing he called management out ... but unlike in 2007 , Kobe has no leverage ...

I don't expect a quick turnaround unless our drafted player quickly show some franchise player like abilities .

Taking into consideration the current lack of assets/ , combine it with the fact the current FO hasn't figured it out yet , I don't expect us to win another title before the next decade .
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Calls out Lakers FO

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:49 pm

sorry, Mamba...you're gonna be playing with Wesley Johnson and Sacre next season...but hey, at least you have $24mil
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Calls out Lakers FO

Postby phoenixrisingla on Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:56 pm

Nice to see Kobe trying, but I think at this point Jimmy has completely locked out any criticism whatsoever.

He'd rather keep losing the way we have been, make excuses, and flip-flop between flavor-of-the-month-quick-fixes than admit that he needs help and commit to a long term goal.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Lakers shutting him down; done for the year

Postby TIME on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:05 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:It's a good thing he called management out ... but unlike in 2007 , Kobe has no leverage ...



I mostly agree with this assessment with this exception. Kobe still has the leverage of fan support. What he says still sways what a large % of the fanbase says and does. But, yeah, his age, his injury status AND his decision to sign a bloated contract have probably diminished most of his behind the scenes leverage with Jim and Mitch.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby HighlyFavored on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:05 pm

I used to think Kobe was so smart and intelligent. Now i'm starting to see that Kobe is very dumb/immature/delusional. I now see how Kobe married Vanessa!!! :disagree:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:11 pm

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