last stand wrote:King of Clutch wrote:last stand wrote:I didn't bring Lebron into the thread. Lebron has proven to be a better all around player his whole career. Kobe in his youth was a better scorer than Lebron will ever be, and if I was starting a franchise and I had a 23 year old version of both available I'd take Kobe.
But Lebron is a better passer, rebounder, defender(now), finisher and he's still a hell of a scorer
Aka better all around player
Lebron is NOT a better passer. He just plays the game with that mentality of pass first. And you see what kobe can do when he plays with that mentality as well. Better rebounder I can take, but he is about 2-3 inches taller than bryant. Don't even need to mention scoring. Defense, yes 28 lbj is better than 34 bryant. I would say kobe is the better all around, most complete player. Best post game in the LEAGUE (Yes, kobe is at the top, even when including centers. Stats prove this. For a 6'6" guard. Let that sink in for a moment.), has hook shots, up and unders, deadly fadeaways over both shoulders, floaters, and every other shot in the book. Great passer, as he's proven he can be if he just chooses to be, good rebounder, great defender more so in his prime as to be expected, coupled with being the greatest scorer to play basketball. Which makes all of this even more impressive. Lbj is a PHENOMINAL athlete, who has great passing skills. Not much more, IMO.
You do know who had the leagues statistical best post game last season right?
You do know who was in the running for DPOY last year and arguably should have won the award?
You do know that neither Kobe or Lebron really have the best post game despite what stats say or said? I'd still take tim Duncan in the post over either guy.
People who don't watch Lebron enough revert to the phenomenal athlete excuse which is a cop out, there are better athletes in the NBA than Lebron (now not before when Lebron was younger). Yet I don't see anyone putting up anything close to his statistics. Nor do I see anyone matching his historical efficiency.
27ppg 8rpg 7apg shooting 55% and 40% from 3, oh with under 3 TOs a game. Kobe's my favorite player of all time, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's better than everyone at everything. I swear if Kobe shot 95% free throws for 5 games people would claim he's a better free throw shooter than nash
Kobe is the best post player in the league. Thats a fact. He has more points per possession in the post than anyone else. Durant is second, and Duncan is 3rd. Lbj is past 10. Griffin was higher on the list than him. So I don't know where you're getting your stats from. Just because you have LP doesn't mean much, lol. Eyes can be very deceiving. And I watch the heat plenty, which is why I question your overall basketball knowledge. "Not the best athlete in the league anymore"??? lol what the heck are you doing when you "watch the heat"?Name me another player who is more athletic than lebron.
Look i'm not saying lbj isn't a great player. Lbj has found that perfect balance of scoring and assisting. That I will give him. But as far as doing one thing with excellence. I don't think he's better than kobe in any repect, excluding rebounding. Those 8rebs per game is phenomenal, 1 over his average. Would be slightly more impressive of he wasn't playing pf alongside a center who's averaging the lowest rebounds in his career at 7.2. I guess its just what people value. I'll always take Tim Duncan over guys like Blake Griffin, chris paul and rondo over guys like westbrook and rose, KD and Kobe over guys like lebron and wade. Thats just me. But they're all still amazing players.