Ill respond the way I know you appreciate. One block at a time.
JGC wrote:There is really no rationalization for Kobe being an MVP favorite this year. His stats, relative to his peers, does not warrant it. Two players are posting elite numbers at a rate of efficiency Kobe has never done even if you took his best shooting, 3pt and FT shooting from any season and mushed them together. And on top of that, their teams are doing substantially better record wise.
So in your never ending crusade to not give Kobe credit you make your own rules for MVP. Cool. His stats are comparable to his peers who are front runners for MVP but he doesn't get the nod because their healthy teams are doing better than his team with significant injuries. Hmmm. You might want to recheck what an MVP really is and not what ESPN has turned it into in order to give it to Lebron again. An MVP isn't just about stats. While Lebron is being praised it seems people keep forgetting that other guy who is also putting up great numbers he plays with... You know #3. Same for KD who relies on Westbrook. But hey, the guy who is also putting up the same numbers and has changed his role 5 times so his team could even remotely stay in reach of the playoffs isn't worthy. You can be all against him all you want but your "no rationalization" is not only irrational but well wrong.
I'm not making my own rules for MVP. I'm following the rules and guidelines by which MVPs are selected. Which is, in a nutshell, the best player on the best team. That's how they've been doing it for years now. Did you not know this or are you just trying to be difficult?
You're adding in all these exclusions like oh umm tougher conference and yeah ummm injuries and stuff. I mean, those things have never been taken in to consideration in the MVP discussion. You're only doing that now because you're trying to make the shoe fit for you. Have you EVER used those exclusions before, or is this the first time? Suspicious!
So by the very definition itself, there is no rationalization for Kobe being the MVP this year. He hasn't been the best player (stats or otherwise, though he has been AMONG the best in that regard) and his team record isn't there (borderline playoff team).
Maybe you're right that people are forgetting Lebron plays with Wade. But it is clear you've conveniently forgotten that Kobe plays with Dwight Howard.
JGC wrote:You don't get bonus points because your team was injured. You don't get bonus points for being old. You don't get bonus points for playing in a tougher conference. That's not how MVP works. MVP is about who had the best season period. A player should get extra points for facing adversity? Pathetic. That's not what MVP is about. MVP is about weathering through whatever you have to, to have the best individual and team season. Hence, you know, valuable! I have never seen a fan base make so many excuses for a player who shouldn't need any.
Actually you do. You get bonus points for carrying a team through injury. It is the same reason guys lose MVP votes when they get injured yet their teams still win without them. Spurs winning hurts TP's MVP case. You have never seen a fan base make so many excuses because you have it in your head that it is your roll to "educate" us all in your wisdom. I'll help you out with why fans think that way.... Conference matters because putting up good numbers against tougher opposition is important. Playing through adversity is also important. But most importantly, "Valuable" means can't win without to most fans. That is what the MVP stood for before the latest changes. I am sure you use to know that but in your attempts to discredit Kobe you have failed to see the truth. But hey, hate is, you know... hate.
Of course you think they're important here. You need them to be important to make your case. That's why I brought up the Nash example. They weren't important then because that helped his case. It's clear that what is important for you, are any factors you can rely on to force the shoe to fit.
Since you believe injuries are the #1 reason we aren't elite this year, you must believe the real MVP of this team are the injured players no? We can't win without them.
I'll wait for some other things to become important.
JGC wrote:It's so ironic. In 2005-2006, Nash won his second MVP. He got his Suns to the 2nd seed in that oh-so-tough Western Conference. He had Amare Stoudemire for a grand total of THREE games that season and they weren't even complete games. He played a total of 16 mins over each of those 3 games that season. Barbosa (1 season removed from his career year) missed 25 games. Yet... you weren't picking Nash for MVP that year.
It isn't ironic. The ironic thing is you have so much anti-Kobe stats on call. Interesting. However, Kobe carried a team that most of the starters arent even in the league anymore while putting up incredible stats. What is funny is I am one of the biggest Nash supporters (go ahead and check the history if it makes you happy). By the way Kobe had himself and an injured LO playing in that same tough conference. You are trying to hard again.
Oh, NOW stats are important again. Flip, meet flop. Let's look past stats this year (for obvious reasons), but let's definitely look at them in the 2005-2006 year when I need them.
Then let's try being deceptive (an especially sneaky tactic). Let's just say that LO was injured too and hope he (and anyone else for that matter) doesn't know that Lamar not only played 80 games that season, but averaged the highest minutes per game of his entire career. Oopsies.
Using your own criteria, Nash had to be the easy MVP choice for you in 2006 right? Much better record in a tougher conference, dealing with major adversity (Amare out for essentially the entire season 79/82 games, Barbosa out 25 games), and big time stats (19/11 on 50/40/90). He was your pick right? Nope. Yeah, real shocker.
JGC wrote:You know, it would be a lot better if people would be transparent and just admit that their MVP pick is Kobe is because he's a Laker and their favorite one at that. That's fine then, we won't even have to debate. But to pretend as if you have this real and objective criteria by which you nominate MVP candidates and lo and behold it's Kobe once again for the 17th time in a row, come on, you aren't fooling anybody and you certainly aren't fooling me.
Then why don't you be equally transparent and say you are a Kobe hater? We also wouldn't have to debate. Easy. I didn't try to fool you because simply there is no need. Your game has been the same since you joined. Yup, still the same. I do love how you try to pretend you are "impartial" and have a "criteria" at all. But hey keep lying it makes for a good laugh.
First off, you can't frame up a question like that to call me a hater. You're really not supposed to do that. You can ask me if I don't like Kobe if you want. That you're allowed to do.
Now, the answer is that I don't hate Kobe. Do I always love his game? No, I don't. I'm pretty critical. I'm not sure if not thinking a player should have won his 17th straight MVP award quite qualifies as being a hater. I'd be more than happy if Kobe won it. I'd be happy if he won DPOY too. Does he deserve either? Not this year, in my mind. I hope the fact that I don't think he should get DPOY doesn't make me a hater too. Or does it? Are you thinking he should get it? I mean, he's had so much adversity and that tough conference and injuries! You seem to think that a person has to pick Kobe for MVP every single year he plays in order to not be a hater. Why is that? I thought he was clearly the MVP in 2008 but not any of the seasons after that and that includes this one. Sorry!
And you're right. My game has been the same since I joined. It would be hard to make much sense of me if I changed direction every few days. Know what I mean?