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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby lakerzkb8 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:51 pm

Get well Kobe. Keep your head up. He needs our energy right now, hes giving us great memories and 5 championships enough with the negativity, this franchise has spoiled its fans.

And no amount of conditioning would have gotten him back to the bump and grind of an actual season. This whole season is a write off anyway, he'll need the whole thing to condition. He'll be good next season
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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:54 pm

OK, time to be "annoying guy". I called it. Answered the question why Kobe looked so pissed, indifferent, out of sorts, whatever after that game. The knee hurt more than he was letting on, and of course enough that he probably shouldn't have been playing on it after he did it.

OK #2, where's Odom1year? I owe him a stinky fat crow to be eaten. May have to add habenero sauce at least or will not be able to do get it down. But he kept harping on that Kobe should have stayed out longer and I got on him (reflex from last year) saying Kobe KNEW what was best for HIS rehab and conditioning. OUCH!! That hurt!! YUCK this is going to be disgusting.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby GoldenChocobo on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:00 pm

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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby Weezy on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:07 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:OK, time to be "annoying guy". I called it. Answered the question why Kobe looked so pissed, indifferent, out of sorts, whatever after that game. The knee hurt more than he was letting on, and of course enough that he probably shouldn't have been playing on it after he did it.


That would seem to answer it, Kobe was pissed because he knew he wasn't right. No wonder he was willing to give the ball to Young and let him operate in the last couple minutes of the game.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:09 pm

Kobe tweets #BrokenNotBeaten

Woj wrote:Before the natural anguish of learning that his left knee had suffered a fracture, a most improbable sense washed over Kobe Bryant: relief.

"Lucky it wasn't a meniscus," Bryant told Yahoo Sports on Thursday afternoon.

After six games this season, here's the solace today: Six weeks beats six months. Six weeks beats surgery, beats losing the rest of a season, beats losing the time left on a clock ticking closer and closer to the end of a prodigious basketball life.

Once again, Bryant is back to that excruciating place he had never dealt with in his career, the rest, recovery and rehabilitation as the Los Angeles Lakers and the rest of the NBA goes on without him.

Everything is conspiring against Bryant now, and the declarations of his demise promise to grow louder and louder. He is 35 years old, fighting back from an Achilles tear, a fractured kneecap and awaiting the start of a $48.5 million extension over the next two years. The walls are closing, his path to restoration never so perilous, and yet here was Kobe Bryant on Thursday afternoon making clear his belief on those who'd dare doubt his resolve again.

"Only an idiot would," Bryant told Yahoo Sports.
The defiance promises to buoy Bryant one more time, the belief he had started to find his way back from the Achilles as a player again. The explosion wasn't back – and maybe never will be – but his ability to operate with and without the ball, his ability to make shots, big shots, too, had slowly, surely started to return. As one NBA coach who has scouted Bryant heavily in his comeback said, "He still had a long ways to go."

Bryant knows that, too, and yet maybe there's a way that returning to rest and rehab can be a benefit for the last leg of his career. For those who believed Bryant had come back too soon from the Achilles tear, these several weeks promise to give the tendon more time to recuperate, more time to strengthen again.

"This could be his best chance to come back stronger," his longtime trainer Tim Grover said on Thursday.

Bryant's will is forever unshaken, but mind over body can't carry a man forever. There's been a toll on Kobe Bryant – these long 18 seasons, the long summers of work, the playoffs and Olympics – and there's no undoing the damage thrust onto the body. Now, it's a fractured bone in his kneecap and the longer-term issues that can linger.

Three weeks ago, Bryant stood in a corridor of the Verizon Center in Washington and believed so strongly that there had been a blessing in that long, exhausting process to come back from that torn tendon. "The Achilles, the rehab, it re-lit a fire in me, that's for sure," Bryant told Yahoo Sports. "I had been going so long, so long, putting in work – 17 years – and never taking a break, never taking time off. That's a long time to push your body, especially the way I pushed mine.

"Every time I had to find that drive, I would eventually find it … somewhere. But it took a toll. Every summer, I'd finally find that push that would get me there. But it was getting harder to do."

Once more, it promises to get harder and harder for Kobe Bryant. For whatever rest his Achilles gets now, the knee faces the longer ramifications of this trauma to the bone. After his MRI on Thursday, after the news of the fracture, a modicum of relief still washed over Bryant: no meniscus tear, no lost season. Six weeks beats six months, yes, but Bryant is 35 years old, and time is running shorter and shorter. Yes, it could've been worse on Thursday, but it's still so discouraging, so deflating.

Kobe Bryant isn't simply trying to play basketball again. He's trying to be great again, trying to chase his own standards, his own ghosts, and the climb back gets only steeper now.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby KB24 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:27 pm

&##%&#%$%$

why are we so cursed with injuries the last couple of years?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby kblo247 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:32 pm

Dear Dantoni supporters,

You're shocked that the dumbass who was once quoted as saying "I'm going to ride him like secretariat" about a guy in Lin who everyone said he was overplaying is being blamed?

You're shocked that he gets blame when last year Kobe was leading the **** league in minutes, averaged 45 to close the year, and went down not once, not twice, but three times in a game with a visibly livid Vitti on the sideline saying take him out as cameras showed yet he never called a timeout before the Achilles popped?

You're shocked that Kobe who recently returned from Achilles surgery after only 5 practices and 8 months off was overplayed? They were supposed to be going from 20 minutes and working their way up, Dantoni said it himself to the media, but what did Kobe play? 28, 29, 23, 32. 32, and 33 with two different sets of back to backs. You're shocked he's being blamed when he sent a hobbled Kobe on a fractured f'n leg into a fourth quarter! Kobe played 6 games in 9 **** nights in his return and if it wasn't for the OKC blowout would have been the leading minute guy on the team in that span fresh off an Achilles injury recovery, so don't come with the excuse bs, Dantoni was f'n pathetic as a coach to manage his time and even back tracked on his f'n word which was he had agreed to start at 20 and work their way up

You're shocked he's being blamed when our whole **** pg rotation has went down with injury because that dumbass played. Blake the most minutes of all out PGs, and Farmar saw his minutes increase lead it to the hamstring tear after leaving Europe where he had played so few games and had a calf issue all preseason?

Really? Really! Come the f on man with the BS about pathetic fans, Dantoni is a **** horrible minute managing coach who over relies on one player to make everything happens to they fall apart. Every one of guys, all 4 who have played pg have gotten hurt. Lin fell apart because he in his own F'n words was riding him like secretariat. **** out of here with pathetic fans, he's **** pathetic, and excusing his BS rotations or overuse because he can't create a **** half court scheme that utilizes a whole team to be effective as a unit over one guy making the whole **** system go that's what's pathetic.

He should have wrote his pink slip with this
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby kblo247 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:36 pm

Kobe played 177 minutes in his return, but that was 6 games in 9 nights .., Pringles was a dumbass
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby DarthRekal on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:40 pm

yay :jam2:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 5:44 pm

kblo247 wrote:Dear Dantoni supporters,

You're shocked that the dumbass who was once quoted as saying "I'm going to ride him like secretariat" about a guy in Lin who everyone said he was overplaying is being blamed?

You're shocked that he gets blame when last year Kobe was leading the **** league in minutes, averaged 45 to close the year, and went down not once, not twice, but three times in a game with a visibly livid Vitti on the sideline saying take him out as cameras showed yet he never called a timeout before the Achilles popped?

You're shocked that Kobe who recently returned from Achilles surgery after only 5 practices and 8 months off was overplayed? They were supposed to be going from 20 minutes and working their way up, Dantoni said it himself to the media, but what did Kobe play? 28, 29, 23, 32. 32, and 33 with two different sets of back to backs. You're shocked he's being blamed when he sent a hobbled Kobe on a fractured f'n leg into a fourth quarter! Kobe played 6 games in 9 **** nights in his return and if it wasn't for the OKC blowout would have been the leading minute guy on the team in that span fresh off an Achilles injury recovery, so don't come with the excuse bs, Dantoni was f'n pathetic as a coach to manage his time and even back tracked on his f'n word which was he had agreed to start at 20 and work their way up

You're shocked he's being blamed when our whole **** pg rotation has went down with injury because that dumbass played. Blake the most minutes of all out PGs, and Farmar saw his minutes increase lead it to the hamstring tear after leaving Europe where he had played so few games and had a calf issue all preseason?

Really? Really! Come the f on man with the BS about pathetic fans, Dantoni is a **** horrible minute managing coach who over relies on one player to make everything happens to they fall apart. Every one of guys, all 4 who have played pg have gotten hurt. Lin fell apart because he in his own F'n words was riding him like secretariat. **** out of here with pathetic fans, he's **** pathetic, and excusing his BS rotations or overuse because he can't create a **** half court scheme that utilizes a whole team to be effective as a unit over one guy making the whole **** system go that's what's pathetic.

He should have wrote his pink slip with this


Come on man, it ain't about making cents here. Its about picking up them paystubs. The Lakers have shown you $60M ways how (Rudy - 30, Mike B - 18, Mike D - 12).

Oh and as a reference point...Clips run a PG oriented offense as they should with the likes of CP3. Dude only plays 34 minutes per and this in his 9th season (vs Kobe in his 17th). It don't take a Doctor to see what's going on here....or does it?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby lotus on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:00 pm

kblo247 wrote:Dear Dantoni supporters,

You're shocked that the dumbass who was once quoted as saying "I'm going to ride him like secretariat" about a guy in Lin who everyone said he was overplaying is being blamed?

You're shocked that he gets blame when last year Kobe was leading the **** league in minutes, averaged 45 to close the year, and went down not once, not twice, but three times in a game with a visibly livid Vitti on the sideline saying take him out as cameras showed yet he never called a timeout before the Achilles popped?

You're shocked that Kobe who recently returned from Achilles surgery after only 5 practices and 8 months off was overplayed? They were supposed to be going from 20 minutes and working their way up, Dantoni said it himself to the media, but what did Kobe play? 28, 29, 23, 32. 32, and 33 with two different sets of back to backs. You're shocked he's being blamed when he sent a hobbled Kobe on a fractured f'n leg into a fourth quarter! Kobe played 6 games in 9 **** nights in his return and if it wasn't for the OKC blowout would have been the leading minute guy on the team in that span fresh off an Achilles injury recovery, so don't come with the excuse bs, Dantoni was f'n pathetic as a coach to manage his time and even back tracked on his f'n word which was he had agreed to start at 20 and work their way up

You're shocked he's being blamed when our whole **** pg rotation has went down with injury because that dumbass played. Blake the most minutes of all out PGs, and Farmar saw his minutes increase lead it to the hamstring tear after leaving Europe where he had played so few games and had a calf issue all preseason?

Really? Really! Come the f on man with the BS about pathetic fans, Dantoni is a **** horrible minute managing coach who over relies on one player to make everything happens to they fall apart. Every one of guys, all 4 who have played pg have gotten hurt. Lin fell apart because he in his own F'n words was riding him like secretariat. **** out of here with pathetic fans, he's **** pathetic, and excusing his BS rotations or overuse because he can't create a **** half court scheme that utilizes a whole team to be effective as a unit over one guy making the whole **** system go that's what's pathetic.

He should have wrote his pink slip with this

Very well stated Sir kblo247.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Helljumper on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:12 pm

Kobe felt healthy enough to return from the achilles and he was medically cleared. Our team had been playing relatively well. Kobe knew that quickly integrating himself into the rest of the team would be extremely important for the team's success, short-term and long term. Once he came back, he immediately started playing the facilitating role. Why? Because he's historically been pretty good at it and it logically seemed to be the best way to fit into a team that had been playing without relying on a dominant scorer. Then Blake went down. We had no PG's on the roster. It wasn't ideal, but Kobe was clearly our best option at PG despite being rusty. Even though he played PG, it wasn't really an aggressive, attacking type of PG play. He was honestly playing a pretty slow and physically undemanding type of game. He wasn't running much and simply passing to open guys or feeding Pau in the post. Kobe cited being out of NBA game shape as the biggest reason for his struggles. So how does one get in NBA game shape? They play in NBA games. He's been averaging 29.5 minutes per game. That's not a lot.

Kobe got hurt. It sucks. I don't think it has to do with the achilles physically not being fully healed. I think if it's related to the achilles at all, it's a mental thing. Kobe is moving out there differently, likely putting extra strain on other parts of his body because he didn't fully trust his weak achilles. That's not something that he'd be able to fix by sitting on the sidelines longer. He needed to build the confidence that his achilles would hold up in an NBA game ... by playing in NBA games.

So yeah, blaming this on overuse by MDA is insane.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby kblo247 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:18 pm

Kobe played 6 games in 9 nights ... 2 sets of back to backs and 177 minutes, which was only that low because of the OKC blowout. Dantoni played a role
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby odom1year on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:27 pm

Kobe better practices well and trains enough before coming back. Face the fact, we are not title contender this year. I really have no problem tanking this year.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby dj vitus on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:30 pm

Even though doctors cleared him, they can only base it on what they see, and since Kobe never shows any signs of weakness, it's very difficult to tell.

I think he probably got rushed back to the court too soon.

These kinds of subsequent injuries happen quite often. Athletes are so competitive and want to get back on the court thinking they'll just shake off the rust, but unfortunately it doesn't always work that way. :bang:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby borri on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:35 pm

Not a good day for me. Broke up w/ GF. Now this. Me n my bottle of whiskey are gonna be real good friends tonight. :man9:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby karacha on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:39 pm

^

There are so many potential girlfriends around you, but there is only one Kobe.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby borri on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:43 pm

karacha wrote:^

There are so many potential girlfriends around you, but there is only one Kobe.


ERgo the bottle of whiskey. :man12:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby denimPortugal on Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:47 pm

karacha wrote:^

There are so many potential girlfriends around you, but there is only one Kobe.


Quote of the day! :bow:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby lakerzkb8 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:29 pm

To recap:


-Achilles tear.
-8 months off after 17+ years of consistent working out.
-Turned 35 years old.
-8 months rehab.
-Knee treatment.
-3 weeks rigorous conditioning.
-2 weeks practice.
2 weeks of GAMES then knee injury.


In my opinion..

The achilles is fine. It's his LEGS that's the issue. It's effecting everything right now.

I think after the 6 weeks of recovery for this injury, he should take an additional 4-6 weeks then to condition/practice/therapy to get his legs back to avoid subsequent injuries. He needs to think those TWO years beginning next year as the final chapter. He needs to put his pride aside, not let ESPN effect his decision making. If he just keeps getting injured, and the media/short term memory spoiled fans destroy him for that and for his contract, then he'll go out on the worst note. Think LEGACY as well. This season should be a write off. Play the months of March/April for your stats, to pass MJ in points, but take extra time off to give chance the opportunity for playing at a HIGH level for the last 2 years.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby BadCoaching on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:42 pm

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby lakerzkb8 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:46 pm

^Fan reaction is AS disappointing as the injury
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:57 pm

dj vitus wrote:Even though doctors cleared him, they can only base it on what they see, and since Kobe never shows any signs of weakness, it's very difficult to tell.

I think he probably got rushed back to the court too soon.

These kinds of subsequent injuries happen quite often. Athletes are so competitive and want to get back on the court thinking they'll just shake off the rust, but unfortunately it doesn't always work that way. :bang:


Agreed, especially with Kobe because he's the last guy to want to show you any weakness. He wanted to play and he was doing reasonably well with his getting into game shape and his game back at the far early end of the estimate of how long he would be out.

Compare that to Derrick Rose. He did the opposite. He was cleared, they needed him in the playoffs, he was not comfortable coming back that whole time last year he was cleared. So he sat the whole season and took all summer to get right, have his training camp, pre-season games and everything. He's young. Oh crap, SNAP again. No guarantees in sports with the contact and leverage that get forced onto an athlete's joints when sometimes they are at a BAD angle. Like Kobe was. Hyper extension and once more "bleep" happens. Remember Rose is a young dude, so don't go harping on Kobe's age about this separate injury. Rose took the whole year off and had his additional summer training and "bleep" still happened.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby trodgers on Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:59 pm

Looking at the injury on tape - a few times - I can't believe there's anything a stronger leg would've done for him. But I'm not an MD.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:03 pm

The 8 month layoff can do more to the lower body than everyone is understanding. As a College Athlete, and at age 19, I tore the ACL, MCL and PCL in my right leg on an end around. After major surgery and 11 months of rehab my speed and lateral quickness was 40% lower than it had been when I signed my scholarship. It took another full year until I got 95% the way back to where I had been before and all of it never returned.

The injury can be repaired..... 20 years of muscle training and mentally understanding what your body can and can't do it the biggest hurdle coming back from an injury that immobilizes your lower body. I was 19 when it happened to me..... not 35. IMO he won't be at his full potential until next year regardless of how long this current injury takes to come back from. He needs a full 6 months of hard work to get it back.

I think Kobe will be in good shape next year and he'll again prove the doubters wrong. Hopefully he has some real help and hopefully he doesn't rush this injury and come back and do something else.
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