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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:11 pm

BadCoaching wrote:R.I.P. Kobe


Stay classy now. ^^^ screw it, too far gone with that crack. :bricks:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:22 pm

I'm neither an authority on the topic nor claim that I'm well rehearsed with this type of compounding injury.

But injury to the Achilles tendon leads to atrophy of your calf muscles. Your hamstrings and quads are far more important in supporting your knee joint, but your calves do come into play.

Leg motions such as planting can lead to stress on an Achilles tendon. Now we don't know what type of pain or complications Kobe might have been suffering from, but the fact that this injury was unilateral (happened in the same leg) could reveal a compounding injury. Trodgers prompted me to go back to the tape and upon reexamination, you can see when his knee made impact to the floor. That type of blunt force trauma completely explains the fracture. But the manner in which he fell, shows that he just doesn't trust his footing yet.

We all do it...overcompensating another muscle group in order to spare the injured ones. A hyperflexion of the knee somewhat reveals that Kobe was overcompensating in a way. This is Kobe's first Achilles injury and he has no experience playing through any type of pain or awkwardness that it may present. He could be suffering from tendonitis of the Achilles and it may have led to a weakening of the calf and you can begin to visualize just how it impacts the mechanics of the leg as we move on up.

IMHO, this is why you need to bring him on slow. Kobe's ego and overconfidence can become a deterrent, but that's why you need someone to tell him "No". Dude is 35 and age is a huge contributor to his recovery...he needs to be brought back much more responsibly with deliberate restraint.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:40 pm

just laughing at people blaming D'Antoni for this :man10:

Kobe has the call in the end we all know that, he came back cause he felt fine, this is in no way D'Antoni's fault.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:45 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:just laughing at people blaming D'Antoni for this :man10:

Kobe has the call in the end we all know that, he came back cause he felt fine, this is in no way D'Antoni's fault.


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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:46 pm

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OK #2, where's Odom1year? .


Gone for 6 weeks or so most likely
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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:50 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Kobe tweets #BrokenNotBeaten

Woj wrote:Before the natural anguish of learning that his left knee had suffered a fracture, a most improbable sense washed over Kobe Bryant: relief.

"Lucky it wasn't a meniscus," Bryant told Yahoo Sports on Thursday afternoon.

After six games this season, here's the solace today: Six weeks beats six months. Six weeks beats surgery, beats losing the rest of a season, beats losing the time left on a clock ticking closer and closer to the end of a prodigious basketball life.

Once again, Bryant is back to that excruciating place he had never dealt with in his career, the rest, recovery and rehabilitation as the Los Angeles Lakers and the rest of the NBA goes on without him.

Everything is conspiring against Bryant now, and the declarations of his demise promise to grow louder and louder. He is 35 years old, fighting back from an Achilles tear, a fractured kneecap and awaiting the start of a $48.5 million extension over the next two years. The walls are closing, his path to restoration never so perilous, and yet here was Kobe Bryant on Thursday afternoon making clear his belief on those who'd dare doubt his resolve again.

"Only an idiot would," Bryant told Yahoo Sports.
The defiance promises to buoy Bryant one more time, the belief he had started to find his way back from the Achilles as a player again. The explosion wasn't back – and maybe never will be – but his ability to operate with and without the ball, his ability to make shots, big shots, too, had slowly, surely started to return. As one NBA coach who has scouted Bryant heavily in his comeback said, "He still had a long ways to go."

Bryant knows that, too, and yet maybe there's a way that returning to rest and rehab can be a benefit for the last leg of his career. For those who believed Bryant had come back too soon from the Achilles tear, these several weeks promise to give the tendon more time to recuperate, more time to strengthen again.

"This could be his best chance to come back stronger," his longtime trainer Tim Grover said on Thursday.

Bryant's will is forever unshaken, but mind over body can't carry a man forever. There's been a toll on Kobe Bryant – these long 18 seasons, the long summers of work, the playoffs and Olympics – and there's no undoing the damage thrust onto the body. Now, it's a fractured bone in his kneecap and the longer-term issues that can linger.

Three weeks ago, Bryant stood in a corridor of the Verizon Center in Washington and believed so strongly that there had been a blessing in that long, exhausting process to come back from that torn tendon. "The Achilles, the rehab, it re-lit a fire in me, that's for sure," Bryant told Yahoo Sports. "I had been going so long, so long, putting in work – 17 years – and never taking a break, never taking time off. That's a long time to push your body, especially the way I pushed mine.

"Every time I had to find that drive, I would eventually find it … somewhere. But it took a toll. Every summer, I'd finally find that push that would get me there. But it was getting harder to do."

Once more, it promises to get harder and harder for Kobe Bryant. For whatever rest his Achilles gets now, the knee faces the longer ramifications of this trauma to the bone. After his MRI on Thursday, after the news of the fracture, a modicum of relief still washed over Bryant: no meniscus tear, no lost season. Six weeks beats six months, yes, but Bryant is 35 years old, and time is running shorter and shorter. Yes, it could've been worse on Thursday, but it's still so discouraging, so deflating.

Kobe Bryant isn't simply trying to play basketball again. He's trying to be great again, trying to chase his own standards, his own ghosts, and the climb back gets only steeper now.


Good Stuff! Kobe is right, this could have been a lot worse and I'm sure he will be back and still amaze us all
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:50 pm

I know we have great hate for MDA but really people are blaiming him for a Kobe misstep? LMAO.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return OVER Fractured Tibial Plateau

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:08 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
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OK #2, where's Odom1year? .


Gone for 6 weeks or so most likely


Wow.... never thought of it that way.....

Kobe got hurt..... :jam2:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:10 pm

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:11 pm

No actually I think people are blaming MDA for being incapable in handling the most rudimentary aspects of his job description and responsibilities.

You know that you are down in personnel. You know that the position that demands the most is the one you're limited in. You know how many games are to be played in a given window.

You should know when to command a player to the bench and say, I got you at 20 and its time to take a seat.

After all, when do sports injuries normally happen? While you're on the floor, so in order to limit them....

Kobe was thrown into that predicament and averaged nearly 30 a night. Meanwhile, his Clipper peer who plays a similar role has Doc limiting his minutes to 34 a night.

That reeks of irresponsibility and gross negligence.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby thisbjgz on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:23 pm

Loss for words right now..still trying to let it sink in. Did we Laker fans do something wrong? Why are we SO badly decimated with injuries in past few years.

I really hate for Kobe to go out like this, he deserves so much better.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:23 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:No actually I think people are blaming MDA for being incapable in handling the most rudimentary aspects of his job description and responsibilities.

You know that you are down in personnel. You know that the position that demands the most is the one you're limited in. You know how many games are to be played in a limited time.

You should know when to command a player to the bench and say, I got you at 20 and its time to take a seat.

After all, when do sports injuries normally happen? While you're on the floor, so in order to limit them....

Kobe was thrown into that predicament and averaged nearly 30 a night. Meanwhile, his Clipper peer who plays a similar role has Doc limiting his minutes to 34 a night.

That reeks of irresponsibility and gross negligence.

Im not sure how Doc and his paperclips come into this at all. They have PG's. We don't. Kobe wasn't playing 40 minutes a game. He was on a regular rotation. Kobe plays the way he plays. No one, and I mean no one, is going to tell that man how to play his game. You really think Doc wants to see CP3 go flying through the air for that helliflopper? I get that everyone knows or thinks they know what is best but I just can't see how we say "oh my God, dumb Antoni (no D) just broke our star by riding him too hard." I guess I just don't see it the way you guys do.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:37 pm

Why do the paperclips come into the convo?

Lakers: PG driven offense
Clips: PG driven offense

Lakers: Blake 32 min this year (career 25); Farmar 19 min this year (career 19)
Clips: CP3 34 min this year (career 36); Collison 17 min this year (career 28)

Lakers: Blake 33 years old; Farmar 27 years old
Clips: CP3 28 years old; Collison 26 years old

Are you noticing anything yet?

CP3 has 9 years in the league and his coach is watching his minutes even though he is fully capable of playing more minutes. Meanwhile Kobe is in his 17th year (and probably has more miles due to his postseason catalog), is coming off an Achilles rupture and is 35 years old and yet is playing about 4 minutes less than his counterpart in mins per game.

What is going on here?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby noobiew on Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:54 pm

Devastating news and very pissed about it, this one really hurt.

This past 3 years has been such a nightmare and curse for the Lakers and the fans. :man6:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:03 pm

Vash- I get all that but the only comparison that fits, IMO, is that the two teams run PG centric offenses. However, Kobe played 5 games sense his return. He played 33 min once, 32 min twice, 29 once and 23 in the OKC blowout. Again, I am not sure how Mike D (in this instance) is to blame for Kobe getting hurt at this point.

CP3 in the last 5 games has played 34 min once, 36 twice (once in a 20 point blowout of SAS), 33 once and 28 once. His season average is 34.5 min a game. Yes he is younger than Kobe but I think you would be fooling yourself to think that Doc wouldnt ride him if he didn't have Collison and Crawford to bring in to play. I am not arguing that Kobe's minutes should be monitored. Hell I agree. I think he needs to be under 36 min a game. That being said the Lakers don't have any PG's and Kobe is still playing only 33 minutes. I think Mike has done a decent job this year of trying not to wear guys out.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby noobiew on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:19 pm

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Kobe went down at the 3:25 mark of the 3rd Q vs. MEM. If he suffered the fracture on that play, he led LAL to a W w/t fracture in his knee.


If this really true that Kobe injured his knee on the 3rd quarter after backing down Tony Allen on a move yesterday ? If yes then why the hell he was still playing in the 4th quarter ? why he never been evaluated and examined by our doctor and medical staff during the incident or timeout during that time ? or he got the clearance and and assurance from our medical staff to continue play in the 4th quarter after the fall ?

What the hell is going on at the Lakers medical staff ? really questioning and doubt on their judgment and effectiveness, they seem so incompetent ! :bang:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby bumrusherer on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:31 pm

Devastating news...not for our chances or anything ( or lack thereof ) but the sheer fact that a legend is having to go through this right now.

Write off the year, Kobe and come back strong next season. You might have a talented draft pick to play with.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:33 pm

If they could diagnose that type of fracture on the sidelines of a basketball game in less than 5 minutes, they would be putting a lot of people out of business.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:51 pm

Doc Brown wrote:If they could diagnose that type of fracture on the sidelines of a basketball game in less than 5 minutes, they would be putting a lot of people out of business.


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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:59 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:If they could diagnose that type of fracture on the sidelines of a basketball game in less than 5 minutes, they would be putting a lot of people out of business.


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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:23 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:If they could diagnose that type of fracture on the sidelines of a basketball game in less than 5 minutes, they would be putting a lot of people out of business.


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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:25 pm

Feel bad for Kobe the competitor ...

As I said ( and others) before you don't give a 48M dollars extension to a 17 seasons veteran coming from an Achilles injury without watching how he performs for some time ...

It's not going to happen but he should sit this whole season .... rest his body , have a solid summer "workout" ... looks like Kobe best shot to have 2 last relatively healthy seasons .
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby 432J on Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:22 am

thisbjgz wrote:Loss for words right now..still trying to let it sink in. Did we Laker fans do something wrong? Why are we SO badly decimated with injuries in past few years.

I really hate for Kobe to go out like this, he deserves so much better.


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3 consecutive finals appearances only within the last 5 years alone, having success like that is extremely rare in the modern era and the lakers success is something we should all be grateful for

the past few seasons have just been bumpy roads after miles of smooth sailing. it happens to the best of them and it's something that the lakers will overcome to rise back to the top sooner than any other franchise because, well they're the lakers. we just need to ride the next season or two out just like we had to endure those tough years from 04-07 before we tasted success once again. remember lakers fans, it could be A LOT worse
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby kenzo on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:00 am

I hope he takes the season off. Rehab, work out, prepare 110%. We can grab someone decent in the draft, take it slow. Days of winning ships are over for now :man5:.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Lakeshow24 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:26 am

As a lifelong Kobe fan, I'm devastated. Very depressed right now (relative to sports, not life). :disagree:
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