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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby LakerFan1235 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:26 pm

Herm24 wrote:
LakerFan1235 wrote:^But as Ice Cube says in the Nike Ad, if he never played again, he would be a legend, but he wouldn't be Kobe Bryant.

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Lakeshow24 wrote:As a lifelong Kobe fan, I'm devastated. Very depressed right now (relative to sports, not life). :disagree:



What ice cube commercial are you talking about?

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Every time I begin to wonder...He proves it...That is why I won't lose hope in him.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:39 pm

havoc33 wrote:I hate to say it, but when I saw the highlights of the Grizzlies game some hours after the game, and saw Kobe go down, I got instant flashbacks to when he hurt his achilles. It was just something about how he was rubbing it, and really curling his lip. He had that same look in his face as when he shot those freethrows with his achilles ruptured. Maybe Kobe himself even sensed something was wrong, as many of you commented on his subdued body language throughout the 4th quarter?

In any case this is absolutely devastating news. It is obvious that his body is breaking down. We were in many ways lucky that Kobe managed to extend his career even this far. He has had numerous injuries in past years, and I remember Phil being extremely concerned about Kobe's health as far back as the 2010 season. If he comes back anywhere near his normal self, he really needs to watch his minutes. No more playing 35+ a game. He needs to go the Duncan route, and be available and fresh when it matters. Something tells me though that we have seen the last of Bean as we know him and that really freaking sucks. I grew up with the guy and I hate seeing him go out like this. I would have much preferred him calling it a day after that achilles rupture to be honest. He came off a historical season at his age, and if he retired after shooting freethrows while his achilles shot, yeah that would be a legendary image right there and kind of a great, but tragic end that so many heroes has faced throughout history. He was and always will be one of the toughest warriors that ever laced them up.


That's all fine but wouldn't that be being a Kobe fan over a Lakers fan? The Lakers are a better team with Kobe on it for the next couple years assuming no more major problems, and having an actual leader pushing them to strive for championships, until whenever the hell they are able to land the next skilled, impactful player with a winner's and a fearless leader's attitude like that. As long as Kobe is playing he is trying to win a championship and he will be kicking guys' bleeps that don't have the same mindset on any squad he's on. Dwight Howard was not that Guy. The search and the plans continue……..
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Juronimo on Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:23 pm

Just heard about Kobe's injury. Wow...... The hits keep coming.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:24 pm

Kobe's body is giving up ... 54 000+ minutes played ...
He said he really wanted to push himself physically in this game, Allen isn't a soft defender ... the injury happened , nothing more to read into here...
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:40 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Kobe's body is giving up ... 54 000+ minutes played ...
He said he really wanted to push himself physically in this game, Allen isn't a soft defender ... the injury happened , nothing more to read into here...


I'm a little less concerned about minute totals.... Every basketball player plays competitive basketball from 6 to 40.... Where the minutes are counted isn't that important. He didn't log minutes in college but did in the NBA... Training, practice, etc are all minutes of repetitive stress actions so I don't see this as JUST a function oaf minutes..... Type of minutes maybe. More likely a function of not fully having his legs under him and a freak accident.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Dfishman on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:17 pm

To all the people defending D'Antoni: just curious if you think Phil, Pop or Doc would have let their star player play 30+ minutes only six games back from a ruptured achilles tear? Oh, and then let him stay on the court and keep playing after falling down, clutching his knee and failing to stand on it for over a minute, too?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby jadej2 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:26 pm

Dfishman wrote:To all the people defending D'Antoni: just curious if you think Phil, Pop or Doc would have let their star player play 30+ minutes only six games back from a ruptured achilles tear?


Well whatever could had they done with 3 PG's out not even Phil, Pop or Doc could think about that.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:32 pm

It wasn't D'Antoni's fault. But it doesn't exonerate Jim and Mitch from the blunder that was resigning Kobe. With every injury that happens (and I assure you this won't be the last), it will look worse and worse. And if you're a player like Monroe or Bledsoe, would you want to come to a team knowing they can't improve for the entire first half of your contract? I love what Kobe has done for this franchise, but there was NO reason to sign him for that amount and there was absolutely ZERO reason to do it when we did.

I had gotten to the point where I could talk Lakers again after that horrible contract decision, but with this injury it brings all those feelings of rage at Jim Buss back to the forefront.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:38 pm

Dfishman wrote:To all the people defending D'Antoni: just curious if you think Phil, Pop or Doc would have let their star player play 30+ minutes only six games back from a ruptured achilles tear?


It depends if that 6th game was on national television and hyped as the "game of the week"....in that case Pop definitely gives Kob a DNP-too old.....and I'm not even taking into consideration Kobe's injury....

I'm not sure if this is the best analogy, but I'm sure most of us have played Frogger. Think of what the goal is in that game. Get the dang frog over to the other side without killing it.

You can do it in a strategic way, by studying a pattern and hopping in the most efficient manner possible or getting it over there as fast as you can before the screen gets filled with obstacles.

MDA needed to get Kob (frog) through the game (other side) alive. He can do it in a strategic way to efficiently use Kobe, making those extra hops count or get Kobe his minutes and quickly have him take a seat (ie creating the shortest distance and getting that frog over quickly).

He did neither by playing Kobe on the ball, when he strategically could have placed him off the ball minimizing any duress and still efficiently getting a net positive contribution out of Kobe towards a W. If that isn't the route he chooses to take, then play Kobe on the ball, but take him out no matter what the cost when he hits that 20 minute mark. Once he gauges how comfortable Kobe feels after the game, he can slowly get more lax on that hard minute count.

We saw how he tried to get Kobe across last season....all 3 lives were claimed (falling just as many times in his final game) and Kobe didn't make it to the end of the Warriors game or the season.

Yeah that's right, I now introduced a frog into this thread. As if a mamba, a shark and a bear weren't enough...
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Dfishman on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:09 pm

Here's what's driving me nuts about the D'Antoni defending: I suspect that every single person on this board would have agreed (prior to Kobe's return) that it would be a good idea to play him limited minutes in the early going. I'm also pretty sure that every single person on here would have agreed that it would have been a BAD IDEA to have him play lots of minutes. And if anyone proposed the hypo where he's playing 30+ minutes by his FOURTH GAME BACK, every single person would adamantly claim that was a TERRIBLE idea. And yet, this is exactly what D'Antoni did. And then Kobe re-injured his leg. And people are defending D'Antoni and acting like those of us who blame him are being silly. :man3:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Helljumper on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:51 pm

Dfishman wrote:Here's what's driving me nuts about the D'Antoni defending: I suspect that every single person on this board would have agreed (prior to Kobe's return) that it would be a good idea to play him limited minutes in the early going. I'm also pretty sure that every single person on here would have agreed that it would have been a BAD IDEA to have him play lots of minutes. And if anyone proposed the hypo where he's playing 30+ minutes by his FOURTH GAME BACK, every single person would adamantly claim that was a TERRIBLE idea. And yet, this is exactly what D'Antoni did. And then Kobe re-injured his leg. And people are defending D'Antoni and acting like those of us who blame him are being silly. :man3:


I disagree with the things you said everyone would agree to. I think those of you who are blaming D'antoni are being silly.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Herm24 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:06 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:
Herm24 wrote:
LakerFan1235 wrote:^But as Ice Cube says in the Nike Ad, if he never played again, he would be a legend, but he wouldn't be Kobe Bryant.

Chillbongo wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:As a lifelong Kobe fan, I'm devastated. Very depressed right now (relative to sports, not life). :disagree:



What ice cube commercial are you talking about?




WOW .. this just gave me the chills .. This commercial is so awesome .. Next to Jack, Cube is the greatest celebrity Laker fan
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Re: Kobe Discussion: The Return-over

Postby nolQQkpass on Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:27 am

nolQQkpass wrote:do u guys not remember kobe before the injury. taking 20-25 shots a game. amongst the league leaders in tos.. shooting in the 30 percentile. his curry, klay thompson nba jam he's feeling it, give him the ball days are just about gone. and trust me i use to be the biggest kobe fan. against the kings, against portland in the western conference finals. get him the ball.. he cant be stopped..i just dont feel it anymore. i actually felt more when he was injured and seeing our new young players shine.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby odom1year on Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:43 pm

Dfishman wrote:To all the people defending D'Antoni: just curious if you think Phil, Pop or Doc would have let their star player play 30+ minutes only six games back from a ruptured achilles tear?


20000 fans were chanting: "We want Kobe...we want Kobe". It's sad that Kobe only trained two weeks with a good jumper on X Henny, then some Kobe fans thought he was ready and 70% Kobe was better than a lots of players in the league. They only want Kobe to score no matter what. They finally received their X'mas gifts... Laker and Kobe are almost done for this season.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:26 pm

^ What are you talking about?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:29 pm

trodgers wrote:^ What are you talking about?

Without reading too much into it I'd go with one of these:
1) It's Kobe's fault
2) We suck cause Kobe played
3) We suck cause Kobe isn't playing thus its Kobe's fault
4) Kobe ruined the chemistry of the team by coming back and making the coach play him instead of other guys and now the other guys are all afraid to play like before and thus.... its Kobe's fault
5) Damn Kobe.

Any of those will probably work.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:37 pm

I don't think there's a single coach that would go against Kobe's desire to play.. The players know their body better than anyone, especially a guy like Kobe who has played through so many injuries & knows what he can/can't handle.. Things played out exactly how they would have under any other coach.. Blaming D'antoni is weak.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby odom1year on Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:37 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
trodgers wrote:^ What are you talking about?

Without reading too much into it I'd go with one of these:
1) It's Kobe's fault
2) We suck cause Kobe played
3) We suck cause Kobe isn't playing thus its Kobe's fault
4) Kobe ruined the chemistry of the team by coming back and making the coach play him instead of other guys and now the other guys are all afraid to play like before and thus.... its Kobe's fault
5) Damn Kobe.

Any of those will probably work.


No idea. Just hope Kobe can realize he is not young any more. Be well trained and healthy enough before coming back again. Hope we can see a completely healthy Kobe in March and enjoy the rest 20 games. Mitch ! Give me Melo in this summer. :jam2:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:17 am

odom1year giving career and training advice to Kobe Bryant for the win :man10: Hey I ate the bleeping crow for you (maybe unwarrantedly) but am back now monitoring your activity, so don't get cocky with the silly Kobe takes.


^^^ Puff :man10:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby SK8 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:36 pm

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby gcclaker on Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:07 pm

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James repeated the classy gesture after the game. Wade followed suit too.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:19 pm

Injury Update: Kobe Press Conference Before Christmas Day Game

http://www.nba.com/lakers/video/2013/12/25/131225KobeInjurymov-3088739
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:22 pm

Lebron had some nice comments to say about Kobe after the game as well. Real recognize real.

I'm more reluctant to give Wade props for it because he gives people concussions and a bloody nose in an all-star game with his roid rage.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:39 am

Doc Brown wrote:Lebron had some nice comments to say about Kobe after the game as well. Real recognize real.

I'm more reluctant to give Wade props for it because he gives people concussions and a bloody nose in an all-star game with his roid rage.


:man10: :man10: :man10: :bow:

Quoted for absolute truth. Although I'm not a huge fan of his roid buddy Lebronze either.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Out min. 6 weeks; #BrokenNotBeaten

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:58 am

Lebron and Kobe have different type of mentalities ... medias always tried to build up a rivarly between those 2 , something which never existed imo ... besides the fact they were the 2 best players in the league between 08-2010 and could have met in the Finals ..

Wade was caught up in the Shaq-Kobe feud at the start of his career then came the shots at Kobe both physically and verbally during different all star games ... they seem close for a couple of years though ...

The only clear thing is that Kobe and Allen both hate each other :man10:
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