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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:59 pm

I think the mod referred to in that post is therealdeal... The hint is in "keeping it real" I didn't read through the post but therealdeal is a kobejocker. Just keepin' it real.
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Postby Finwë on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:03 pm

^^ lol, you are a) wrong, and b) probably going to get a warning, which you deserve
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Weezy on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:03 pm

Couldn't buy a 3 tonight. I guess he had to shoot them to try and help us come back, but man it was brick city, ugly.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Weezy on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:06 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I think the mod referred to in that post is therealdeal... The hint is in "keeping it real" I didn't read through the post but therealdeal is a kobejocker. Just keepin' it real.


realdeal is a Kobe jocker? :man3: First of all, the term Kobe jocker is against the rules, and second, he's not even close to what I'd call a Kobe jocker. Are you thinking of a different guy, seriously? I've seen realdeal stand up for a lot of our players this season, being especially patient and rational when it comes to Dwight Howard unlike a lot of us, and I haven't noticed him sticking up for Kobe more than anyone else, or making any ridiculous arguments while/if doing so. So I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:07 pm

His 3 point shot is streaky these days, the lift isn't there. This is a guy who shares a record of made 3's in a game. :man6:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Maluco Beleza on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:07 pm

7cody wrote:Damn, I'm getting burnt for the keep it real comment. I also mentioned the moderators when I shouldn't have. Both were probably stupid.

However, I did talk about a lot of things that no one has disputed so far. Weezy basically wrote an essay just to say that I didn't direct my comments at a specific person, and that he "wasn't sure why I was talking at all", so therefore I couldn't put in my 2 cents. He didn't actually dispute any of my arguments.

I know that all of us, when watching the Lakers, have several of those "what the hell are you doin" moments for Kobe. He makes such poor decisions. The low bball IQ was taking it a bit far, I think he knows better, he's just an entertainer first and foremost and plays for himself before the team. Maybe that isn't necessarily a bad thing. He's a hero baller. That means we are highly entertained when he takes over games, but we also have to suffer through and accept the several 5-24 shooting games.

Weezy doesn't know what I mean about making the right plays. Really, you're going to deny it? You know better. I know you do. Just watching this game alone, v the Warriors, he has failed to make the right play several times already. His transition threes, unability to find the open man when he faces double coverage, etc etc...

I have never doubted Kobe's skill, just his decision-making. No one can just go out and get theres, like Kobe can. No one is good enough for that. You can shut down LeBron, but he will get 20 assists and still win the game. All you can do to Kobe is lower his FG % a little bit and hope he has an off-night shooting wise. He's that damn good.

As far as wishing Kobe would change his game, not going to happen, I have accepted who he is.


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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Cleansed on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:11 pm

......you see.

This is the 'ish i was referring to a few days ago.

Lets be honest....Do we REALLY need multiple trolls ?

Are they increasing the quality of this site? Is my user experience enhanced due to having to skip over post by a ...member... who has lathered himself in Kobe hate? :man10:

Is there no sand box they can be placed in to play freely while simultaneously leaving these types of threads alone? We could voluntarily go into their threads and read ALL ABOUT their perspective. I'm chomping at the bit now hardly able to contain the anticipation of reading what they have to say in their special play area :man1:

It really is almost laughable now. Thank God i have other interest and alternatives.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby cthroatgtr on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:11 pm

Keeping it real is Mark Jackson sending a double on Kobe as soon as he crossed mid-court and the rest of the team doing nothing but give it back to him. Keeping it real is the fact that the best Laker lineup was 4 guards and Dwight. Only time all night there was any effort. Of course Kobe over shoots he looks around and everyone is standing around with their thumb up their a** so of course he is going to shoot. At least he tries...
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Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:14 pm

Alright this is getting way out of hand. Kobe is seriously a hot topic issue....but for all the wrong reasons.

It doesn't matter if you "jock" Kobe and it doesn't matter if you're "trolling" on Kobe....what does matter is that members should treat each other respectfully and stop with the shenanigans. Now that's real talk!

I'm tired of Kobe's thread getting derailed over non-basketball related issues.

I hope we can all agree that we all are Lakers fans and want whats best for the team. Some will think that its Kobe cause his teammates are not up to task, others may think the team needs to get more involved and Kobe isn't allowing that opportunity...but lets stick to basketball discussion folks.

I'm tired of the "troll hunting"....I'm tired of labeling members as "jockers".

If anybody has an issue with this, then PM me or any other mod for that matter. If this thread gets out of line again, I'm locking it and we're reviewing all the offenses and the hammer will come down REAL hard.

We're all frustrated with this lousy season and its coming out in ways that are not looked at favorably by the site. So please respect our ways...respect each other and carry out proper HOOPS discussion. If you guys are known to add slapstick to your posts, then please do so in a responsible manner where you aren't disrespecting any particular member.

For example, I have a problem with fans that think Coach D is doing a good job. On the real, stop jocking the man...haha...but seriously, I respectfully disagree with these fans and I'll try to post basketball related discussion accordingly. I've slipped up from time to time, as have many others...but we want to rectify it and make sure it doesn't happen again. For those that are blatantly calling out other members of this site and aren't looking to correct their ways, you may be looking for another forum to post @....now that's on the real!

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:25 pm

Weezy wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I think the mod referred to in that post is therealdeal... The hint is in "keeping it real" I didn't read through the post but therealdeal is a kobejocker. Just keepin' it real.


realdeal is a Kobe jocker? :man3: First of all, the term Kobe jocker is against the rules, and second, he's not even close to what I'd call a Kobe jocker. Are you thinking of a different guy, seriously? I've seen realdeal stand up for a lot of our players this season, being especially patient and rational when it comes to Dwight Howard unlike a lot of us, and I haven't noticed him sticking up for Kobe more than anyone else, or making any ridiculous arguments while/if doing so. So I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

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I was joking, therealdeal is my favorite, no need to go Joey Crawford on me. And I didn' t know kobe jocker was a forbidden phrase :man10: :man10:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Finwë on Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:50 pm

Jazzygirl205 wrote:His 3 point shot is streaky these days, the lift isn't there. This is a guy who shares a record of made 3's in a game. :man6:

Well, he is recovering from a "severely sprained ankle", which would hurt his lift in long Js..
I agree that his 3ball is streaky, but it also has to do with the kind of 3s he takes. Tonight he took a lot of semi-transition 3s or contested 3s when we were down 15-20, just trying to get us going.. Those are obviously tougher shots. Most of his 3s were not traditional catch-and-shoot 3s, but off the dribble or without dribbling but with little space and over a defender. That's obviously gonna hurt his %. The desesperation 3s that he took to end the game didn't help either.
I know I'm talking about this one game, but actually most of the things I just mentioned about his 3pt shooting are applicable to this season, this game wasn't a rarety in terms of 3pt shot selection, bailout 3s, not many open catch-and-shoot opportunities, etc.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby trodgers on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:12 pm

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I think the mod referred to in that post is therealdeal... The hint is in "keeping it real" I didn't read through the post but therealdeal is a kobejocker. Just keepin' it real.

I'm pretty sure I'm the mod. And I'm still keepin' it real. Kobe is far and away our best player. It's not even close. And he has done more for this team's success this season than anyone else. It's not even close.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:18 pm

trodgers wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I think the mod referred to in that post is therealdeal... The hint is in "keeping it real" I didn't read through the post but therealdeal is a kobejocker. Just keepin' it real.

I'm pretty sure I'm the mod. And I'm still keepin' it real. Kobe is far and away our best player. It's not even close. And he has done more for this team's success this season than anyone else. It's not even close.

that is too much Real for me... Stop it.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby John3:16 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:19 pm

trodgers wrote:
KareemTheGreat33 wrote:I think the mod referred to in that post is therealdeal... The hint is in "keeping it real" I didn't read through the post but therealdeal is a kobejocker. Just keepin' it real.

I'm pretty sure I'm the mod. And I'm still keepin' it real. Kobe is far and away our best player. It's not even close. And he has done more for this team's success this season than anyone else. It's not even close.


I'll take it a step further. Kobe has done more for the Lakers than any other player in their history. yes, that includes, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Mikan, West, Worthy, and Elgin. Just keeping it real. But then again, I'm a self-confessed kobe jocker and proud of it.
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:40 pm

John3:16 wrote: But then again, I'm a self-confessed kobe jocker and proud of it.

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Kobe Anonymous meetings anyone? Hosted in the Kobe Discussion thread every day at 6pm PST
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:18 pm

^make it 9pm EST instead and I'm in :man1:
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Postby Chillbongo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:28 pm

Well in that case how does 2am GMT sound?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby wallangong on Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:40 pm

Lol at those saying Kobe isn't clutch anymore. Kobe single-handedly won several games in a row for us just a couple weeks ago. Nobody else came to play. They had their chances but nobody would or could step up. I used to frequent CL regularly, days like today remind me why I took a huge step back.

I get frustrated with Kobe at times, but I've seen enough of this team to know that the only person I ever trust is Kobe.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Went Through Full Practice (593)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:02 pm

v1n5anity wrote:First all of all...calm down. Second, that's not the point at all. The point is Kobe tries to do too much in the clutch and a large majority of the time, he fails (in recent seasons). I have said this multiple times.

First of all... no. I'm exactly as calm as I feel I should be. Define large majority THIS season. Or have you not been watching the games? Someone who doesn't watch Laker games these days might have something to say about Kobe trying to do too much late in games. Someone who DOES however watch the games would see that Kobe makes the plays he needs to make and has single handedly one us more than one game this season simply by taking over at the end of games when his teammates fail.

Should he pass the ball more late? That depends. Just because we're running the ball through Kobe doesn't mean he's not making the right plays. Just because someone is ball dominant doesn't mean basketball isn't being played the right way. Durant is ball dominant. LeBron is ball dominant. Doesn't mean giving them the ball is the wrong basketball play.

That being said, I've advocated for quite a while that every now and then the ball should run through Steve Nash just to keep teams honest. We have done it sparingly, but not enough. That doesn't mean I disagree with what we're doing at the end of games, just that it could be perfected.

v1n5anity wrote:I have said multiple times that Kobe isn't clutch anymore and his hero ball won't work.

Didn't see it after the Toronto game. Or the Atlanta game. Or the Hornets game. Or the OTHER Atlanta game where he almost single handedly brought us back.

v1n5anity wrote:No. We won't win because basketball is a team game and he's really not good enough anymore to be shooting as much as he does in the clutch.

Again, reference above. There's been MULTIPLE games in just THIS season where he's won us games playing that way. Your logic makes ZERO sense for this season. If you were talking 2011 or 2012 we might be on the same page, but anyone watching games these days knows that Kobe Bryant has been every bit as clutch and every bit as effective as he was in our Championship runs. Especially after the All-Star break.
v1n5anity wrote:Also, his D is terrible. How is the rest of the team supposed to respond when it's leader refuses to play disciplined D.

I will not defend his horrid off-ball defense. But outside of Russell Westbrook no one has consistently beat Kobe Bryant in man-to-man defense this season. His defense is bad off-the-ball, but the defensive captain is NOT Kobe Bryant, it's Dwight Howard. The players follow DWIGHT'S lead defensively, not Kobe's.

v1n5anity wrote:Yes, he had a few games where he bailed us out against bad teams.
Atlanta isn't a bad team.
v1n5anity wrote:That's great and all, but I'm still not convinced it's a winning strategy against good teams.
We've beaten OKC, Boston, and Atlanta playing this way. It works against good teams if done correctly.
v1n5anity wrote: He doesn't understand balance. He doesn't understand the concept of team basketball. And until that changes (it won't), we will continue to be mediocre.

This is one of the silliest things I've ever read.

Kobe Bryant is a 5 time NBA Champion. A 2 time Olympic Champion. Winner of two NBA Finals MVPs. But he doesn't understand balance?

This man doesn't understand balance, but obviously you do. Obviously you understand basketball better than Kobe Bryant, the 5-time NBA Champion and 2-time World Champion.

I mean really anybody reading this forum just has to think about that once to realize what's going on in your posts.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:47 am

Good article calling out Kobe and the Lakers weak arse effort on D

THE L.A. LEAKERS
An Open Letter to Kobe Bryant About His Defense
By Zach Lowe on March 26, 2013 1:27 PM ET


Dear Kobe Bryant,

In the middle of a playoff chase that has you clinging tenaciously to the no. 8 seed and yapping about how you have to take more control of the team’s defensive strategy, why are you doing this?


In the 71st game of your 17th season, in the midst of a “heated” playoff “race,” why are you still watching your own errant jump shot while your mark, Klay Thompson, beats you back in transition for an open 3-pointer? Thompson doesn’t exactly take off like Corey Brewer, either, and he still beats you down the floor by several steps.

Why is this still happening? It’s almost April, and Bryant and the Lakers still can’t figure out transition defense, or defense in general.

The Lakers have marginally improved on defense. They’re up to 18th in points allowed per possession and have been a hair better than league average over their last 10 games. But a game-by-game look shows little big-picture progress and a bunch of recent stingy games against the league’s worst offensive teams. The Lakers still don’t get back on defense and there's still minimal coordination when it comes to weakside help. The Lakers may lead the league in the percentage of defensive possessions that end with teammates shrugging and/or pointing at each other, though the Kings would give them a run.

This isn’t all on Bryant, obviously. Howard is slowly rediscovering his form, but he’s not even close to his disruptive peak. Pau Gasol is recovering from several knee and foot issues that have compromised his already compromised mobility. Steve Nash and Steve Blake simply cannot stay in front of quick point guards:


Antawn Jamison can’t guard anyone, at any position. Mike D’Antoni has concluded that stashing Jamison on small forwards is safer than having him guard power forwards, but when the Lakers went that route last night, the Warriors happily responded by giving the ball to Harrison Barnes and watching him torch Jamison.

Bryant, as the whole Internet (including this corner of it) has noted repeatedly, has been an irresponsible off-ball defender all season. He gambles out of scheme whenever he feels like it, often turning his back completely to his man, and several of Washington’s 11 3s during the Lakers’ home loss to the Wiz on Friday were the direct result of Bryant deciding he didn’t want to play team defense any longer. The Warriors last night exploited the Lakers’ indecisive, nonexistent weakside defense by running pick-and-rolls, including on this smart out-of-timeout pick-and-roll, with Klay Thompson as the lone weakside shooter:


In a typical NBA scheme, the help responsibility probably falls to Bryant here, though that can vary depending on the coach and the situation. Helping off Thompson with no other defender nearby is a risk, and perhaps Jamison, guarding Carl Landry on the block, should have improvised and tried to at least get in Festus Ezeli’s way. Only the Lakers know what the precise right answer here is, but “do nothing and let Ezeli make the only shot he’s capable of making” is the wrong one.

And here’s a killer combination of Blake being overmatched, Howard helping without much urgency, and zero defenders having Howard’s back on the weak side:


Ditto:


The Warriors are a very good offense, but sound NBA defenses just don’t yield this many easy baskets without even a hint of resistance. We can dig deep and pick nits about all the little things going on in Laker Land, but the story of this team today is the same as it has been all season: They have too many bad defensive players, and their good defenders (Howard, Metta World Peace) are not good enough right now to compensate. And though D’Antoni’s alleged inattention to defense has been overblown — the guy can talk defensive X's and O's like any other NBA coach — he has never exactly been Tom Thibodeau in terms of establishing a set of rules and getting his team to stick to them. All the mitigating circumstances come into play here — the early-season coaching change, the endless injuries — but the Lakers are still just a bad defensive team.

Which brings me to two thoughts:

1. If Bryant makes first or second-team All-Defense again this season, I’m officially ignoring this honor indefinitely when it comes to assessing a player’s status and career accomplishments. There will be no more “Player X has seven first-team All-Defense appearances” in this space as a way of justifying a man’s place in the NBA hierarchy. Bryant isn’t the first player coasting to undeserved All-Defense appearances based on reputation, but if he makes it again this season, it will be his most egregious appearance ever, and one of the most egregious in league history. It’s probably already time to start ignoring these honors, since Carlos Boozer received what I hope was an accidental vote last season, but Bryant’s selection would make it official.

Again, he’s a good defender when he wants to be, and he can still be a huge pain in the [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] on the ball against top scorers. But playing top-notch on-ball defense on a few possessions per game does not qualify someone for an All-Defense honor, when all those other possessions of hideous off-ball defense exist.

Holding Bryant to his peak career standards on defense isn’t even fair. He’s aging, and the Lakers still rely on him to carry an enormous offensive burden — a responsibility Bryant himself chooses to augment by occasionally hogging the ball. And he’s had a fabulous offensive season. Repeat, L.A. fans popping those Kobe jerseys: fabulous. The Lakers need to buy him rest on defense, which is why World Peace has so often over the last three seasons defended the best opposing wing player, even if he’s at a quickness disadvantage in doing so. But there’s a difference between saving energy and behaving recklessly, and Bryant has crossed that line, stopping only to urinate on it this season.

2. Mr. Simmons hasn’t chimed in on this, but the current state of the Western Conference is one of the best-ever arguments in favor of his Entertaining As Hell Tournament for the no. 8 seed. The Lakers can’t get it together. Utah stinks and has zero shot of doing anything in the first round. Dallas has fought admirably to get back into the race, but that team is still scrambling for coherence in just about every sense, and probably isn’t much of a first-round threat, either.

Still, Dallas is outplaying both Utah and Los Angeles right now. Portland has hung around longer than expected, and has put together some solid recent wins in San Antonio, Chicago, and Atlanta. And then there’s the wild card: How would Minnesota and Kevin Love proceed if they knew they could still win their way to the no. 8 seed? Isn’t it feasible that a healthy Love–Nikola Pekovic–Ricky Rubio–Andrei Kirilenko core might make Minnesota the best team in this tournament? That core hasn't been healthy all season, and it obviously wouldn’t be in peak form by early next month. Pekovic and Kirilenko recently returned from nagging injuries, and Love, who might not play at all for the rest of this season, wasn’t nearly himself during his brief midseason return from his (first) broken hand.

But Rubio has rounded into form. He’s dishing his usual pile of tricky assists, getting to the line at a very encouraging rate, and swiping the ball from unsuspecting guards all over the league. The Wolves could at least make some noise in this imaginary tournament, and it certainly wouldn’t be too hard for them to outplay the crop of teams battling for that magical no. 8 spot.

The Lakers still have the advantage, given their one-game edge in the loss column over both Utah and Dallas. But that advantage is precarious now. The Lakers have already lost the head-to-head tiebreaker with Utah, and though they’re up 2-1 on Dallas, the two teams play in Los Angeles a week from today. A loss there evens the season series and puts the next tiebreaker — conference record — in play. The Lakers hold just a one-game edge on Dallas there.

Regardless: The Lakers aren’t doing anything in the playoffs unless they get their defense in order, and we’ve seen no evidence they can do that against good competition.


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Postby John3:16 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:16 am

Those boys at Grantlant sure do love Kobe. :man8:
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Postby gcclaker on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:20 am

L.A. LEAKERS? :man10: That's new...
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:25 am

Awe Damn Zach Lowe finally wrote something about the Leakers :bow: Preach brother
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:29 am

L.A. Leakers is a rap group or something around here I think. :man10:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Keeping it really real... (597)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:39 am

^ Power 106. LA Leakers is the name of two legit Power 106 DJ's (SourMilk & Justin Credible)

They have a late night show once a week where they release new music and always rep their name.
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