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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:30 pm

Weezy wrote:Well that's exactly what I'm saying real, what the heck is the direction of this team? Why did the FO give Kobe all that money if they aren't going to try to compete in these 2 seasons? Why did Kobe take all that money before seeing what direction the team was going in? Why not wait til the summer to use being a free agent as leverage?

None of it makes sense to me, Kobe doesn't seem that dumb. He acted like he knew the FO had a plan, now these comments are saying they have different plans, that he's not going to play with a bad team for another season and screw the patience thing. Well, actually Kobe, you signed the contract, so you're gonna play with whatever they put on the court. I enjoyed Kobe's comments for their honesty, but I don't see them having any impact on the FO, so I don't really get the point in the grand scheme.

Oh and I don't care much about Phil, like i said in my first post, this was aside from the Phil comments. I don't believe that losing Phil kills our franchise even if he possibly could have helped us. I could have been good, and it also could have been a disaster, causing Mitch to walk or something, we just don't know.


By the time Kobe signed his extension , Lakers FO was still selling the Lebron and Melo pipe ... management realized/admitted later that Lebron wasn't going to happen and they (rightfully) wanted no part of Melo ... I think our FO is now aware it will take time to be a contender again because our team is no man's land right now due to the current lack of assets/young talents .

Kobe isn't dumb, but I really think you are overestimating his understanding of the cap and the building of a contender ... I'm not going to talk deeply about his extension amount again ... so I'll take another example ... Kobe wants us to be a contender and in the meantime he wants Pau to stay ...

Lakers management extented Kobe to keep selling tickets

Kobe signed because you take an offer like this and he wasn't going to leave .... plus it was the perfect time for him , BEFORE coming back from a terrible injury ..
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:37 pm

Anyone buying the Melo/Bron pipe was on pipe IMHO. Even if we got BOTH of them we'd have absolutely nothing to surround them with…. it would take 2 years to do it…… it would take a year or two to learn to play at a championship level together even if we somehow filled 9 spots with decent league minimum players and a couple MLE's…..

I think most people who understand our real situation know that we need picks (traded future picks away), trade assets that someone wants (none) and stars (who will come with the new CBA and no team to put around them) to get back. It's going to take 5 years or more IF everything goes our way. Remember that when we traded for Kobe we had pieces and a CBA that allowed a good team to get a Max Player in Shaq. We have none of those things now…… regardless of who's in the front office, who the coach is and what Kobe says to the press.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:48 pm

Sure , we are now paying the bad moves the FO made since the Dallas sweep ... where I disagree with you is the 5 years period you are rightfully talking about could be doubled or tripled if there is no clear direction on the management side ... Let Mitch and others employees do what they do best .
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:57 pm

Roo, you bring up great points again and I'm with you in the thinking that this is going to be a lengthy process. Only cause we have an aged superstar coming off an Achilles injury.

One thing I will say however is that a quick turnaround is possible. Boston re-assembled and won it in year 1. It took a hot shooting Mavs team (that got past us) to take down the Miami Trice in their first year together. Midseason trade for Sheed put Detroit back in immediate title contention. Midseason trade for Pau put us back in immediate title contention. Phil joining Shaq and Kobe led to an immediate 3peat.

An immediate turnaround leading to a title (or at the worst) leading to title contention has happened and will continue to happen. All those examples however had solid ownership/coaching/direction/identity.

We presently don't have none of that...which is why I felt Phil coming on board would have been an obvious and constructive hire.

We threw 1st rounders everywhere (salary dumps for Sasha and Fish.....swing for the fence trades for names like Nash and Dwight)....and it seems like Mitch all of a sudden has an understanding as to how the current landscape works. Then you have JImmy with his coaching/identity mis-hires.

It has to start up top for this to be an expedited turnaround....but as it stands, we're definitely in it for the long haul if things remain status quo.

And again, Kobe is at fault for not holding the FO hostage. He could have had his demands met then inked up his deal....but that moment is lost. But it was management pushing that deal towards Kobe, without any contending bids on the table. That is highly suspect and that is why you look at the names they wanted to bring in with CP3, Nash, Dwight and then plan B'ing to extending Kobe and their incessant demands to move Pau only for marketable names ....and this all coming after inking our cable deal. You have to know by now what management's true intention is.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby trodgers on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:20 pm

Just saw that - and read it to my wife while she was driving. I bet the totally appreciated it.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:19 pm

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Lakers Q&A: Kevin Durant details mentorship from Kobe Bryant
Posted on March 13, 2014 by Mark Medina


Below is a recent conversation I had with Thunder forward Kevin Durant, who talked extensively about his development and how Kobe Bryant’s mentorship shaped him.

When you look back at your seven year-NBA career, what do you think is the biggest are of growth?

“Just about winning. Being known as a winner. Of course we haven’t won a championship, But when you play the Thunder, you know it’s not going to be an easy game. That’s what I enjoy the most, knowing that we have a chance to win every chance we step on the court. That’s what defines you as a players, the ability to win as a basketball game.

It’s all about Determination and will. Team work and sacrifice. There will be ups and downs. But it’s about how you persevere through the tough times. There’s peaks and valleys in everything and it’s definitely an 82 game season. You’re going to see peaks and valleys. How you react to the valleys, calm and collected in the peaks. That’s what defines great teams with how you persevere.

How do you work on your game?

“Thinking the game more and working on my individual skills, ball handling, post ups and jump shooting. Just keeping the game fun. In the summer time, I play a lot of pick up and a lot of one-on-one just to keep the game fun and so I can react off of instincts. I play the game solely just off of how I feel out there and how the defense is playing me. I try not to be mechanical. That’s how I game is grown.”

Does any of that approach model anything after Kobe Bryant?

Of course. He’s the greatest of all time. His skill is second to none. Him and MJ are neck and neck as far I think as far as skill. You can put in athleticism and be the best passer and strongest and quickest. But it’s about skill. I think that’s how his game is played. That’s why Kobe is the top two best ever in just having skill, footwork, shooting the three, shooting the pull up, posting up, dunking on guys and ball handling. It’s flat out skill. Him and Jordan are 1 and 1 a. They’re neck and neck as far as the skills are concerned.”

He plays his game no matter what, the intensity and focus and he will play to win. He also will do what he needs to do to get ready to play. If he sees a mismatch, he’ll take it down low and demand the ball. He’s one of those guys who will always bring the same intensity every time no matter who’s on the court.”

How would you compare yourself with Kobe on and off the court?

“Off the court, yeah, we’re different. On the court, we’re the same type of person I think. I think Kobe can appreciate that about me. I can tell. I’m going to go at him when I’m on the court. We’re going to throw elbows and talk trash. We’re going to talk [junk] to each other. I think he appreciates that how I play. I may be wrong. But I can sense when a guy has that mutual respect. I don’t give a damn who he is. He don’t give a damn who I am. We’re going to go at it. You can throw the names out the door. The guy in front of me, I will try to kick his [butt]. He’ll do the same with me.”


What’s Kobe’s personality like?

“He’s one of those guys that’s to himself and real quiet. That’s how it was being around the Olympics. He’s a great guy to talk to and somebody that I remember two years ago, called him at like 3 in the morning. They had a game the next day. I was picking his brain a little bit. He’s one of those guys who’s a night owl.”

What were you asking him?

“I was picking his brain about different situations in the game and how I can handle my teammates better and how I can approach the game a little better. I don’t think I told anybody that. But I texted him one night and said, Man I need to talk to somebody before playing the next day. It was three in the morning. He picked the phone up. That’s something I’ll always remember. When we play each other, it’s better now that we have that relationship because it was almost bragging rights.”

So giving what you’ve gone through with your scoring this year, what impressed you about what Kobe did back in his prime?

What I did is not a fraction of what he did. What guys are doing now is nothing compared to what he did. Me, Carmelo, LeBron, Paul George, what we’ve done out there in this league is nothing compared to what Kobe did. A lot of people forget. We live in a world of what have you done for me lately. We don’t remember the day before sometimes. Think back five, six seven years ago with what he was doing, it’s unheard of.”

You said during All-Star weekend that you were tired of the comparisons between you and LeBron and the MVP talk. But do you at least appreciate that may show just how you fit in the history of the game?

Fans don’t care about the history. They just care about today. That’s’ why every other day it’s something different. They don’t care about history. I wish more fans did. Some of them do. But most of them don’t care about the history of the game. They don’t really dig into it. They don’t love it as much as some of the guys here. Most fans just care about what they see on ESPN, First Take, all that BS. They don’t care about the history of the game. But there’s a lot of people that know about the Kobe’s, the Mike’s, Clyde Drexlers and Wilt chamberlains and Magic Johnson. I go to Wikipedia every day and look at Magic Johnson and Adrian Dantley, Karl Malone. When I see those guys, I pay homage and want to pick their brains. I want to enjoy the history of the game and enjoy the people that paved the way for me.”

I talked to Derek Fisher earlier and he saw similarities with you and Kobe with your versatility. What’s your approach in trying to make that a skill?

Being able to put out on the court and do anything. That’s what I try to pride myself on. In any situation, coach can keep me on the floor and I’m going to excel. Whether it’s playing small ball, being a point guard or playing a center, I’m trying to work on my game so I can be in the game during those situations so I’m trying to keep working and keep growing and get better at it.”

What’s your leadership style?

I’ve always wanted to be a guy that pulls my teammates in. If I’m working out, I want to grab them and work together. I’m always about the team. Even off the court, we go hang out and eat and so I’m always about the team. I enjoy seeing my teammates do well. Fish is one of those guys that taught me a lot about just watching him. Definitely helped my game and as a leader as well.”

So beyond a championship, what’s the next step for you?

I don’t know what;’s going to come in the next five minutes. I’m enjoying what I have now and just trying to grow. I watch and it may be a time I’m watching something in the game and I can see how I’m doing it better. I try to work on it again. I can’t tell you right now what I need to get better at. I’m so focused on today and working with what I have now. This offseason, I’ll sit back and watch what I can work at and get better at. I never try to pinpoint one thing. I’ll see how it works after that. My overall game needs a lot of work. I’m far from where I want to be.


http://www.insidesocal.com/lakers/2014/03/13/lakers-qa-kevin-durant-details-mentorship-from-kobe-bryant/

Yes, I know, this is a KD interview, not Kobe's... but considering Kobe is by far the main topic, I thought it actually fitted on the Kobe topic.

That's A LOT of respect from KD to Kobe.


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Awesome article and I couldn't be happier that someone as high profile in the NBA doesn't forget all that Kobe has done and appreciate the mentorship that Kobe has given him. Mad respect and props to KD. Also that shot at ESPN and the casual fans who only care and talk about what a player has done recently was great!
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:28 pm

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pretty amazing that with all those injuries that's not a lot of games missed besides this year of course
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby jlkr on Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:19 pm

No surprise to either announcement. I among others called it several pages back that Kobe wasn't playing again this season.

Regarding the FO, well it's hard to see what they can do to turn things around next year. Make that pick a good one, but otherwise very little left. Dunno what they can do with free agents since we don't want Melo and Lebron isn't coming here. But Kobe doesn't want to wait until 2015 and who can blame him?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby bigdog2013 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:02 pm

was magic this vocal in the meda when the 90s lakers sucked because of his retirement?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby odom1year on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Totally understand and agree that Kobe wants MDA getting replaced in next season.

Phil Jackson's last year with the Lakers.

Kobe averaged 34 mpg per game.

Note: 39 mpg under MDA (at 2 years older than he was with Phil)

Last 7 games before injury:
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48:00 (not an overtime game)
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Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:57 pm

^^^^Yeah and there are folks saying MDA didn't contribute to the injuries this team faces. Okay... :freak2:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby LakersN4 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:20 pm

He certainly contributed to it.. But it all goes back to Jimmy.. Just like he has turned Mitch into a yes-man that agrees with the direction of the team no matter how much we know he really doesn't, he hired a coach that wouldn't dare go against Kobe.. D'antoni has went at it in the media with every player on the team except Kobe, he won't cross that line.. When Kobe says "we're losing, I'm not coming out of the game", of course D'antoni isn't going to tell him to go sit down. & we're all fooling ourselves if we don't think Kobe wanted to stay in those games & lead us back. Phil would sit him down in a heartbeat, never had a problem doing it. If we want Kobe's minutes managed we need someone more respected than Kobe calling the shots on the sidelines. That is a very short list that just got shorter with Phil taking the NY job.
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Postby Aonex on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:06 pm

odom1year wrote:Last 7 games before injury:
47:37
47:04
42:32
47:20
41:06
48:00 (not an overtime game)
44:54


To be fair, I believe we were on the cusp of making the playoffs that year and every game was a must win at that point... still, those numbers are ridiculous.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby XXIV on Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:09 pm

Aonex wrote:
odom1year wrote:Last 7 games before injury:
47:37
47:04
42:32
47:20
41:06
48:00 (not an overtime game)
44:54


To be fair, I believe we were on the cusp of making the playoffs that year and every game was a must win at that point... still, those numbers are ridiculous.


You still shouldn't have someone with Kobe's mileage playing that many minutes in consecutive games. Sure having him playing entire games helped us get into the playoffs but at what cost.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:00 am

Eh. That was Kobe's decision too. Not to mention the injuries we had outside of Kobe.

Poor decision making all the way around on that one, but I'm not sure I would have done it differently. We needed to make the playoffs and he got us there pretty much. Was it worth the cost? No, but it's always easy to say that when something bad happens.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:15 am

Loved the interview above with K.D. Thanks Magic Skywalker :bow: :bow:
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:29 pm

I always loved KD :jam2:
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Postby CarFlagChris on Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:06 pm

odom1year wrote:Totally understand and agree that Kobe wants MDA getting replaced in next season.

Phil Jackson's last year with the Lakers.

Kobe averaged 34 mpg per game.

Note: 39 mpg under MDA (at 2 years older than he was with Phil)

Last 7 games before injury:
47:37
47:04
42:32
47:20
41:06
48:00 (not an overtime game)
44:54


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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:16 pm

Remember this: Meet the man who sent Kobe Bryant scouting reports of opponents during the last two championship runs

http://lakerholicz.com/meet-man-sent-kobe-bryant-scouting-reports-opponents-last-two-championship-runs/2014/03/16

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/06/21/mike.procopio/

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Kobe Bryant is known for all the extra hours he puts in – both on and off the court – and his obsession with watching film to gain an extra edge over his opponents has been well documented over the years.

However, just like the rest of us, Bryant sometimes needs a helping hand.

That’s where Mike Procopio comes into play.

So, who is this mystery man who helped Bryant earn two more championship rings in 2009 and 2010?

In short, Procopio is a guy who simply loves basketball, and with a lot of unpaid hours and hard work, his knowledge for the game has landed him a job as a player development coach for the Dallas Mavericks.

However, Procopio’s first big break came in 2009.

While playing for the Houston Rockets, Shane Battier was heralded as a “Kobe Stopper” in an article by the New York Times. Looking for a better way to attack Battier and the Rockets’ defense, Bryant asked his personal trainer, Tim Grover, to reach out to a guy who he once worked out with for a couple of hours back in the summer of 2008.

That guy was Procopio, who also goes by the nickname of “Sweetchuck,” because as a teenager he looked like a character from the Police Academy movies.

After studying the film, Procopio discovered that Battier was funneling Bryant toward the 7’6″ Yao Ming, which then led to the Black Mamba taking bad shots over the Chinese center.

Sweetchuck was blunt with Bryant: He flat out told him that he was taking bad shots – maybe that’s why Bryant liked him.

Later that night, Kobe went 14-of-23 from the field for 37 points and lead the Lakers to a 102-96 victory over the Rockets.

Then, after the game, Procopio received a text message from Bryant.

“We got San Antonio tomorrow. I want the same thing.”

From then until 2012, Sweetchuck would send Bryant scouting reports and video clips every day.

Bryant lead the Lakers to a championship in 2009, his first since parting ways with Shaquille O’Neal, and also won the Finals MVP that year. All the while, Procopio was sending information across the country to Kobe so he could gain that extra edge on his opponents every night.

After the Lakers lost Game 2 of the 2010 NBA Finals, Bryant flew Grover and Procopio into Boston, and then later onto Los Angeles, so he could take a hands-on approach with the guy who was feeding him all that invaluable information.

It appears the extra work paid off, too, as the Lakers went on to beat the Celtics in seven games and Bryant was named MVP of the Finals once again.

Surprisingly, Bryant never once paid Procopio for his services. Why? Sweetchuck didn’t want a penny of Kobe’s millions.

“This guy’s the best player on the planet,” Procopio said. “and he’s asking me for help.”

However, aside from gaining invaluable experience and contacts from aiding Bryant over the years, Sweetchuck had a sweet surprise after the Lakers defeated the Celtics in that epic seven-game series.

One day, a random package arrived at Sweetchuck’s local UPS office. What did he find inside the box? None other than a solid-gold, diamond-filled Lakers championship ring with “Procopio” inscribed on the side.

Evidently, Bryant knew just how valuable Sweetchuck was to his success out there on the court.

“He’s my Jack Bauer,” Bryant said after winning his fifth NBA championship. “He gave me all the edits and scouting reports and wrote defensive rotations of the Celtics. He was my eyes and ears, so when I played the game, I’d use all the scouting reports and all the information. And it was huge for me.”

And it was huge for Procopio, too, who now has a job within the NBA and a championship ring that he’ll cherish for the rest of his life.


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Postby angrypuppy on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:03 am

juninho wrote:As a coaach i ll take Phil but as a front office member i will take Mitch over him anyday. Also Kobe has no right to be impatient cuz he is the guy eats almost half of the cap. If he really wanted to win then he would take much less. Kobe is a great player but like Jordan he is a terrible gm.




I think that's a popular misconception. Phil in the front office would have been to usurp Jimmy's role rather than Mitch's, and they would have been great compliments. Mitch is one of the most astute GMs in terms of trading, cap space planning, and finding complimentary players. Two areas that I perceive him as weak are communicating with players and basic salesmanship, which is what you need when courting free agent stars. Coincidentally, those are the two areas that Phil would excel at.

Of course hiring Phil would have shoved Jimmy into the background, but that's where he belongs anyway.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:55 am

Thanks for posting that Battle, that was awesome. :jam2:
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Postby phoenixrisingla on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:11 pm

One day, a random package arrived at Sweetchuck’s local UPS office. What did he find inside the box? None other than a solid-gold, diamond-filled Lakers championship ring with “Procopio” inscribed on the side.


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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:21 pm

I honestly think what Kobe does to be at the top is undervalued. Another story of this dudes amazing work ethic. And :jam2: to the dude getting a Championship ring.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby angrypuppy on Tue Mar 18, 2014 7:03 am

Nick Young on the trash talk he hears from Kobe: "I don't talk to players on teams that are 20 games under .500"



https://twitter.com/mcten/statuses/445622083989430272


OK, that was funny, but it leads to some conflicting thoughts:

As much as I want the Lakers to tank, I don't want them to feel any degree of comfort during the free fall.

As much as I would like Kobe to not take shots, I'm glad the gun is actually pointed at the front office. Hell, it was their inability to communicate with Kobe that set the stage for this (and future) episodes.
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