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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:27 am

angrypuppy wrote:
juninho wrote:As a coaach i ll take Phil but as a front office member i will take Mitch over him anyday. Also Kobe has no right to be impatient cuz he is the guy eats almost half of the cap. If he really wanted to win then he would take much less. Kobe is a great player but like Jordan he is a terrible gm.




I think that's a popular misconception. Phil in the front office would have been to usurp Jimmy's role rather than Mitch's, and they would have been great compliments. Mitch is one of the most astute GMs in terms of trading, cap space planning, and finding complimentary players. Two areas that I perceive him as weak are communicating with players and basic salesmanship, which is what you need when courting free agent stars. Coincidentally, those are the two areas that Phil would excel at.

Of course hiring Phil would have shoved Jimmy into the background, but that's where he belongs anyway.


With Jerry Buss gone Mitch doesn't have that pull to lean on. Jim certainly doesn't have it.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby therealdeal on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:12 am

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Nick Young on the trash talk he hears from Kobe: "I don't talk to players on teams that are 20 games under .500"



https://twitter.com/mcten/statuses/445622083989430272


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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby HighlyFavored on Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:27 pm

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what do you guys think would happen if Kobe and Jeanie had an affair with eachother?? I dont know why, but I can see it happening for some reason...LOL :man10: :man11:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Armani on Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:40 pm

I get this feeling that this will go right back to Pre-Gasol Kobe... remember the summer between 07 and 08, where Kobe went off and demanded trade? Yeah. :man11:
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby sister golden hair on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:37 pm

HighlyFavored wrote:
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what do you guys think would happen if Kobe and Jeanie had an affair with eachother?? I dont know why, but I can see it happening for some reason...LOL :man10: :man11:


Hmm. My visual of that scene includes jeannie wearing helmet with a visor.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Weezy on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:50 pm

Armani wrote:I get this feeling that this will go right back to Pre-Gasol Kobe... remember the summer between 07 and 08, where Kobe went off and demanded trade? Yeah. :man11:


Can't see this happening again. For one thing, at 24 mil per season, Kobe is pretty much untradeable. Besides that I get the feeling that Kobe does not want to leave the Lakers this far in to his career, because he is 2 seasons away from being the longest tenured player with any one franchise at 20 years. Even if he got traded there is zero guarantee he wins a title elsewhere. I don't see him giving up being a Laker for life because his final years don't go how he expected, more likely his confidence makes him think we have a shot even with decent signings.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby sister golden hair on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:57 pm

Kobe lost all leverage when he signed that contract. Even if he wanted to force his way to NY, they lack the assets (that LA would want) to allow any viable trade to go through. His contract is too big and somehow manages to hamstring both club and player.

The contract felt like a reactive panic move. Something of which this FO is making a habit. I don't blame Mitch. Mitch's M.O. through the years has been on of patience and cold calculation. I do think he's being a yes-man, and that is not serving his employer very well.

With respect to Kobe's contract, the notion that the Lakers had to show commitment to future FA stars by over-paying Kobe is an after-the-fact rationalization. Maybe that contract would be more palatable after Kobe showed he could stay healthy (and I'm a huuuge Kobe fan), but at the time it was sealed, it was simply a bonehead move. That's something that an organization like Cleveland would pull out of a desperate sense of institutional insecurity.

The Kobe contract, the MDA hire, the Rudy T. hire,. the Mike Brown hire, the pink-slipping employees during the playoffs -- one could go on. These decisions were not well thought out. They seemed impulsive and rash, more a reaction against the immediately preceding decision than anything else (how else to explain hiring a one-trick pony defensive 'specialist" coach, firing him 5 games into the season, then hiring his offensive-specialist analogue (who was a complete bust at his most recent HC gig)?

Bad decisions from the recent past are still crippling this organization. The biggest screw-ups in recent memory is the non-handling of the D12 fiasco. When has any organization done well when sticking to its guns on a journeyman coach at the risk of losing top-tier talent? Even if you doubt D12 is worth the trouble to keep, you could always trade him for assets that could be utilized in a much quicker rebuild. But somehow, the same organization who feels it needs to overpay older stars, thinks that young stars can be treated in a "take it or leave it" manner. That's institutional incoherence.

One bad decision, every now and then, can be absorbed. A series of them spells long-term disaster.

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby juninho on Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:56 am

Kobe should have think before signing that extension. He was all smiles during the extension so what he thought gonna happen?
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:16 am

Weezy wrote:
Armani wrote:I get this feeling that this will go right back to Pre-Gasol Kobe... remember the summer between 07 and 08, where Kobe went off and demanded trade? Yeah. :man11:


Can't see this happening again. For one thing, at 24 mil per season, Kobe is pretty much untradeable. Besides that I get the feeling that Kobe does not want to leave the Lakers this far in to his career, because he is 2 seasons away from being the longest tenured player with any one franchise at 20 years. Even if he got traded there is zero guarantee he wins a title elsewhere. I don't see him giving up being a Laker for life because his final years don't go how he expected, more likely his confidence makes him think we have a shot even with decent signings.

This.

Kobe isn't demanding any trades and it's unlikely one would even be feasible with his contract. No, instead he'll probably throw a tantrum every now and then. But that's what he gets for signing for this much and at that time. It was a move that was purely political from the Lakers and now they're going to have to work that out later.

It'll be interesting to see now who the Lakers target this summer and next summer. The Knicks are going to be after the exact same free agents as us and they've got Phil now. We need to get on a track and start chugging away because if not, we're going to start losing free agents to New York.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:30 am

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It'll be interesting to see now who the Lakers target this summer and next summer. The Knicks are going to be after the exact same free agents as us and they've got Phil now. We need to get on a track and start chugging away because if not, we're going to start losing free agents to New York.


^^ Yep and for the next five years. Phil is now our direct competitor. Not good.

This is one of the things - many question how Phil will do in this position. He's never done it before. But if I were a betting person I wouldn't bet against Phil. And I certainly wouldn't bet on Jim Buss given how he's done so far. And even more I wouldn't bet on Jim AGAINST Phil. But that's where we are at now. Phil is in it to win it. We know this about him. I don't know anything about Jim except that he greatly dislikes Phil, makes atrocious and rushed coaching hires, and loses big time free agents when he can pay the largest amount (Howard). So far that's not a great track record.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:43 am

Lakerjones wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
It'll be interesting to see now who the Lakers target this summer and next summer. The Knicks are going to be after the exact same free agents as us and they've got Phil now. We need to get on a track and start chugging away because if not, we're going to start losing free agents to New York.


^^ Yep and for the next five years. Phil is now our direct competitor. Not good.

This is one of the things - many question how Phil will do in this position. He's never done it before. But if I were a betting person I wouldn't bet against Phil. And I certainly wouldn't bet on Jim Buss given how he's done so far. And even more I wouldn't bet on Jim AGAINST Phil. But that's where we are at now. Phil is in it to win it. We know this about him. I don't know anything about Jim except that he greatly dislikes Phil, makes atrocious and rushed coaching hires, and loses big time free agents when he can pay the largest amount (Howard). So far that's not a great track record.

That's nothing but the negative side of things. You have to remember also:
- would you EVER place a bet on Jimmy Dolan?
- Phil isn't coaching anymore, he's the President. Not as much direct contract/influence with players.
- Jeanie is going to be the face of the franchise moving forward (two radio interviews back-to-back the last two days along with a guarantee to be at most Laker games moving forward), not Jim. I think we're pitting Mitch/Jeanie against Phil, not Jim.
- Which brand still holds the most equity?

The last one is important and I don't know the answer to it. I know you want D'Antoni gone and I think that's the first step, but I still have faith that the Laker brand holds more equity. This is far from over, the Knicks just won a battle. We have more time, more resources, and a head start with both of those things. We just need to get on the same page and move on that. If that means Carmelo, fine. If that means Love, fine, but let's make a decision on it and move.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:37 am

therealdeal wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
It'll be interesting to see now who the Lakers target this summer and next summer. The Knicks are going to be after the exact same free agents as us and they've got Phil now. We need to get on a track and start chugging away because if not, we're going to start losing free agents to New York.


^^ Yep and for the next five years. Phil is now our direct competitor. Not good.

This is one of the things - many question how Phil will do in this position. He's never done it before. But if I were a betting person I wouldn't bet against Phil. And I certainly wouldn't bet on Jim Buss given how he's done so far. And even more I wouldn't bet on Jim AGAINST Phil. But that's where we are at now. Phil is in it to win it. We know this about him. I don't know anything about Jim except that he greatly dislikes Phil, makes atrocious and rushed coaching hires, and loses big time free agents when he can pay the largest amount (Howard). So far that's not a great track record.

That's nothing but the negative side of things. You have to remember also:
- would you EVER place a bet on Jimmy Dolan?
- Phil isn't coaching anymore, he's the President. Not as much direct contract/influence with players.
- Jeanie is going to be the face of the franchise moving forward (two radio interviews back-to-back the last two days along with a guarantee to be at most Laker games moving forward), not Jim. I think we're pitting Mitch/Jeanie against Phil, not Jim.
- Which brand still holds the most equity?

The last one is important and I don't know the answer to it. I know you want D'Antoni gone and I think that's the first step, but I still have faith that the Laker brand holds more equity. This is far from over, the Knicks just won a battle. We have more time, more resources, and a head start with both of those things. We just need to get on the same page and move on that. If that means Carmelo, fine. If that means Love, fine, but let's make a decision on it and move.


I hate to say it, but so much of our future direction will be decided in June when the ping pong balls start bouncing. We need to get, if not a franchise player, at worst a secondary type star in the Zach Randolph/Lamar Odom/Lance Stephenson impact range. If we whiff on this or drop to spot 8-9, we will REALLY have a long road to recovery.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby therealdeal on Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:05 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
I hate to say it, but so much of our future direction will be decided in June when the ping pong balls start bouncing. We need to get, if not a franchise player, at worst a secondary type star in the Zach Randolph/Lamar Odom/Lance Stephenson impact range. If we whiff on this or drop to spot 8-9, we will REALLY have a long road to recovery.

I agree, but I think the Lakers end up with a top 5 pick and that'll be good for the franchise. If we end up with, at worst, Randle, then we are still going to come out alright. Randle is an NBA player with some upside, but mostly he's going to slot in as a solid starter in this league.

We'd do well to nab a top 4 pick though and end up with Exum, Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins. That'd turn a few heads back in this direction.
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:49 pm

The most notable thing I took out of this interview was that Phil and Kobe has breakfast together about a week and a half ago. Also Kobe clearly didn't sound as upset about MDA and the FO in this interview with the DPshow.

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Postby Doc Brown on Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:56 pm

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Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:21 pm

LOL...poor Kobe

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Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:42 pm

@ESPN: BREAKING NEWS- Flash from camera during team photo explodes Nash's corneas- out 2 weeks
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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby 432J on Thu Mar 20, 2014 8:31 pm

therealdeal wrote:
@ESPN: BREAKING NEWS- Flash from camera during team photo explodes Nash's corneas- out 2 weeks

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Postby LakerFan1235 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:47 am

Every time I begin to ask, "Is he really as great as I think he is?" ...He proves that he is.
Every time I begin to wonder...He proves it...That is why I won't lose hope in him.
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Postby trodgers on Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:59 pm

432J wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
@ESPN: BREAKING NEWS- Flash from camera during team photo explodes Nash's corneas- out 2 weeks

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Re: Kobe Discussion: Shutting it down; Puts Lakers FO on blast

Postby jlkr on Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:18 pm

My take is Lakers are going to take 3-5 years to rebuild. Don't be aghast at this, remember it took West 9 years to make it back to the Finals after Magic retired. Probably are going to experience something similar in the years to come if the Lakers don't get that guy in the summer of 2015. Kobe was signed to put butts in seats during the rebuild so they have something for TWC to show what they're getting for $3b. He'll squawk some more, but he gave away his leverage the instant he signed that contract.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:47 pm

jlkr wrote:My take is Lakers are going to take 3-5 years to rebuild. Don't be aghast at this, remember it took West 9 years to make it back to the Finals after Magic retired. Probably are going to experience something similar in the years to come if the Lakers don't get that guy in the summer of 2015. Kobe was signed to put butts in seats during the rebuild so they have something for TWC to show what they're getting for $3b. He'll squawk some more, but he gave away his leverage the instant he signed that contract.



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Postby Basketball Fan on Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:32 pm

http://financialjuneteenth.com/dr-boyce ... be-bryant/

DR BOYCE: 5 DISTURBING OBSERVATIONS ABOUT KOBE BRYANT

Like the rest of the world, I was stunned to hear Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant argue that it was somehow an unecessary burden for a black man to stand in support of the late Trayvon Martin. If anything, the Trayvon Martin case brought black people together in ways that we haven’t seen since the death of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The case was clear cut: Trayvon had no weapon. He wasn’t bothering anybody. He was stalked out and murdered for appearing to look like a “thug.” George Zimmerman is a free man and later showed that he is every bit as violent as the world believed him to be. Case closed.


Even NBA athletes, many of whom have been intimidated to sleep by a world that has become obsessed with empty materialism, stood in unity with Trayvon. The biggest stars in the league, including LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, gave touching tributes to the young teen who didn’t deserve to die. Their leadership helped to inspire a nation, and I applaud them for it.
But Kobe is a bit different. He wants to be a replica of Michael Jordan, the man he could never quite match up to on the court. He inherited nearly all of Jordan’s personality traits, both good and bad, as if he’d been studying him since he was a child. Unlike LeBron James, who’s been able to win championships without becoming a clone of someone else, Kobe has become every bit as aloof, as disrespectful, as robotic, as simple-minded, as disconnected as the original Air Jordan himself.
This makes me sad, since Kobe could have been so much more than the empty, unhappy man he is today.
Here are five disturbing realizations about Kobe Bryant that we should keep in mind. It might help put his sloppy words about Trayvon Martin into their proper context:
1) He, quite frankly, appears to be a selfish a**hole: I won’t even go into the oddities of Kobe’s sexual assault case many years ago, where he was revealed to be the married man having unprotected sex with a woman he’d met an hour earlier just a few years after Magic Johnson announced that he had HIV. If sleeping with random women unprotected and risking your wife’s health isn’t the root of selfishness, I don’t know what is.
We can also talk about the way Kobe’s spent his career jacking up ill-advised shots and attacking his teammates in public. I’ve always loved Kobe’s game when he’s playing well, but I’ve never wanted to meet him. Kobe is like the 14th century astronomers who thought that the sun revolved around the earth. But instead, Kobe believes that the universe revolves about himself and won’t hear anything different.
2) He’s one-dimensional: For LeBron James, life appears to be a mixture of possibilities, with as much meaning to be found off the court as on it. Dwyane Wade is every bit as committed to fatherhood as he is to dribbling and shooting. For Kobe, there is nothing but basketball, basketball, basketball and more basketball. He drives his teammates insane with his “win or die” mentality, and it probably makes him very difficult to play with. While this might be what it takes for him to win NBA titles, it can also make you into a horrible person. Once again, I ask you to take a look at Michael Jordan’s hurtful, nasty Hall of Fame speech as a great case-in-point.
3) He’s arrogant: Kobe’s confidence has served him well throughout the years, helping him rise to some of the most significant achievements in his sport. But arrogance can also rob you of your ability to empathize with others. Kobe’s decision to engage in ad hoc social commentary on an issue so important to so many people is reflective of a man who simply doesn’t give a damn. I was hurt by Kobe’s remarks, since it’s sad to see one of our most prominent black men have more commitment to making McDonald’s commercials than he has to saving the lives of young black men like himself. Kobe could have just said, “no comment.”
4) He’s materialistic: If a corporation were to pay Kobe to say something, he’d say it without hesitation. Men like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan would buckdance for chicken if there is enough money involved. But the mere idea that standing up for your community is the right thing to do seems to escape them, like trying to teach a ballerina to shoot an AK-47. Maybe black people just aren’t as profitable as the white ones.
5) He’s disconnected: Jim Brown made compelling points about Kobe’s lack of connection to the black community during a recent interview on the Arsenio Hall Show. Brown, like Muhammad Ali, is one of the greatest athletes of all time (as good or better than Kobe himself), and it wasn’t just because he dominated men on the field. Brown is one of the greatest because he understood the importance of using his power to elevate the circumstances of the community that had given him so much. Kobe’s inability to commit himself to something greater than himself makes him an extraordinary athlete, but a pathetic human being.
I hope that Kobe retracts his statements and keeps his social commentary to himself. It’s ironic that a man who begged for sympathy after cheating on his wife with no protection can’t provide a lick of understanding for an unarmed teenager who had his future stolen by a deranged, racist, vigilante. People didn’t support Trayvon just because he was black. They supported him because it was the right thing to do.
I also find it ironic that a man like Bryant will remain completely silent when it comes to speaking up for black America, but becomes bold and vocal when given an incentive to trash us. Sitting on the bench in the fight for racial justice is bad enough, but it’s even worse when you work with our enemies to deliberately sabotage progress that is being made. This turns us into Django and turns Kobe into Samuel L. Jackson’s character, who got shot in his a** at the end of the movie. It’s a myth to believe that a racist has to be white…there are black racists all around us.
Kobe, grow up brother, it’s not always about you. This one is about the black community.
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Postby trodgers on Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:39 pm

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If you're not going "our" way, you're wrong. Kobe being called out for not toeing a line?
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:47 pm

I was wondering if anyone was going to post this...... Remember when Kobe used to get the "no street cred" crap because his parents had a few bucks and put him in private school? So all black people are a group of automatons that participate in a narrow group think or you're not their "equal".....

The twitter responses to this article are what's really sad......
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