Lakerjones wrote:therealdeal wrote:1. Kobe is playing too much.
2. If we want to win games, we have no choice.
3. This is partly because Kobe is asking for it and partly because MDA doesn't have the balls to sit him and rely on Duhon.
Look, in the Memphis game as soon as Kobe sat, we had NO ONE capable of running the offense. Blake couldn't handle it and Nash is hurt. When Nash comes back, I fully expect Kobe to get more rest, but that's on Steve.
This is painful to watch, but I imagine watching Atlas hold up the world wouldn't be easy either.
^^ This all the way. And it's exacerbated when you have to play good teams like Memphis. Look how little room there is for error. We only won by 2 points, and we were one foul call away from having to slug it out in overtime. Imagine how tired Kobe would have been after 5 more straight minutes.
And Kobe is doing all this with bone spurs in his ankle. I don't know how much he's going to have left in the tank for the first round if we make it. I guess it depends on when Nash can get back and help with some minutes. We are really living on the edge here. I wish we had used our injury exception on some veteran who could have at least given us a few minutes a game.
V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Yeah, I really worry about it too. Kobe is giving literally everything every night, and he admitted in an interview last week that he's exhausted. It's sad that we have so many great starters on our team, and we still need him to play brilliantly every night just to win.
trodgers wrote:JGC wrote:trodgers wrote:JGC, if I can make one observation about something you wrote - you're much more often "on your way" to the forum when things go bad, in particular for Kobe, than you are when things go well for Kobe. It's an observation that has been made by more than a dozen posters.
I think that's probably a fair observation. However, attributing why I do that is where the mistake is made. It's a mistake (and one that is often made) to assume that the motivation is a deep rooted hate for Kobe Bryant. If that were the case, I'd take every opportunity to bag on him, not just losses! When the team plays the way I think they should, there's just less to say for me other than 'keep it up'. When they don't, there's a lot more to say about my opinions on what they should do to get back on track. My motivations in coming here are to talk about the Lakers TEAM, not specifically to wave pom-poms at the mention of any particular player's name.
You're probably making the same mistake you're accusing others of here.
trodgers wrote:JGC wrote:Since I firmly believe that Kobe has, by a long mile, more impact than any other player on the team, it would only make sense then for me to comment about Kobe's play. It wouldn't make much sense for me to come in during losses and talk about what Robert Sacre should work on while in D-League.
I'm not sure whether you're trying to be satirical here or whether you think that the only things to talk about are how Kobe shafted the team and Robert Sacre's performance. Regardless of what you really believe, if you're interested in knowing why people read you in a certain way it's because you come off as incredibly disingenuous in these sorts of exchange.
trodgers wrote:JGC wrote:I think the #1 determining factor for this team's success is the play of Kobe Bryant. He should get a greater share of the credit when we are successful. But IMO, he should also get the greater share of the blame when we fail.
Maybe that's fine as a general principle, but we have Dwight Howard on our team, and it's clear that his performance at the FT line and on D can be game changers. And even if we look at Kobe's usage rate and say that he consumes 30% of the team's possessions, that means that he is both more responsible than any other player individually (on average) and far less responsible than other factors combined.
[/quote]trodgers wrote:JGC wrote:Whether Kobe Bryant plays on this team or not, the chances are that I'm going to post here more often after losses simply because there is more to discuss. My brother and I always call each other after a tough loss. We rarely discuss a 10 point victory over the Raptors though. It's not because we hate to see the Lakers win, it's because we hate to see the Lakers lose.
There's always something to discuss. Simply to assume as a general principle that there is more to discuss after a loss seems not just false but utterly indefensible.
Vasashi17 wrote:^^^Well played Roos.
See here's my dilemma. I understand the crowd that wants us to get into the playoffs at any cost, cause once there, anything can happen. The problem is that with the way this team has been playing all year, that "anything" will most likely be a 1st round exodus.
On the flip side, you want the team playing the right way and with the right rotations, so that once they make it in, they have the right approach to advancing in a 7 game series.
That being said, playing Kobe an egregious amount of minutes marginally helps us in getting to the playoffs, but once there, will it get us to the 2nd round of the playoffs? The initial playoff schedule is favorable in that, the games are well spaced out to ensure maximal TV ratings....but playing Kobe entire games on a bum ankle doesn't give us a great chance in winning a title. It may result in getting to the playoffs and possibly getting to the second round...but its highly suspect and incredibly irresponsible.
I would much rather encourage a responsible approach and in doing so giving Kobe the appropriate rest for the long haul. If that means that we don't make it into the sweet 16, then so be it....we're not good enough to seriously contend for a title this year and we move on. But if we do make it in, then we did it by playing the right way and by playing the right rotations. From that point, you can only build on that and try to shock the world....but the point is, that it didn't take a Herculean effort by Kobe to get us there. We did it the right (normal) way and from there, its anybody's ball game.
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Kobe is the one wanting to play all 48 minutes, as he reiterated just now. "I feel fine." Not fatigued as he was after last game.
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That's the tough part for D'Antoni, who'd like to get Kobe rest here and there, but Bryant says he's not tired and wants to stay in.
JSM wrote:^ If MDA truly believes that then I guess he also believes Bill Clinton really didn't have "sexual relations" with Monica and I have some ocean side property to sell him in Topeka.
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