trodgers wrote:The mistake lies in ignoring this fact: That reading values and motivations off actions is difficult. You say that others misread you, then you speculate about what their motivation might be (and commit the same mistake in the process - supposing that your ability to read values and motivations from actions is good). (The "dozen posters" quote governs how many people have noticed a correlation between your activity on the forums and Losses.)
Fair enough. Looks like there's a whole lot of misreading going on, on both sides of the fence. Fair?
trodgers wrote:Your conspiracy theory regarding moderators and those who tend to support Kobe is interesting. You've expressed bewilderment previously about how tenure plays into these situations. Here's one obvious way: it speaks to whether we (as mods) should issue a verbal warning in a public post or via PM. We trust that long time members who are largely rule-abiding get the benefit of the doubt and can get quickly back on topic, so we PM. So just because you don't see unofficial warnings (or actual warnings), that doesn't mean they don't happen. I've actually demonstrated how this is true in the past (to you, via PM). I've told you about people I've given multiple official warnings to, people your comments here would seem to suggest that I have an alliance with.
That's fine. (And again, fair). But just because I don't always profess my love for Kobe, doesn't mean he isn't my favorite player (he is, I'm just not much of the rah-rah type). So when people make the assertion that I go out of my way to bash Kobe or hate on him or whatever, it is entirely untrue. To your point, things aren't always as they might seem. Now that you know where my motivations lie, I would ask such commentary is then handled accordingly.
trodgers wrote:"General principle" could refer to a class of humans (say, CL Members), or to a general principle guiding an individual's behavior. I meant the latter.
Ok thank you for the clarification. I entirely disagree that it is "indefensible" for me to think that there is more to discuss when we don't play well. Whether it is indefensible or not, that's up to me decide if we're talking about why I post! Haha. Plus, if the "Optimism" thread and the "WMC" thread, which were started on the same day, had approximately the same level of participation but they don't. The WMC thread has over 3 times the volume of posts compared to the optimism thread over the same period of time. I know, I know, we can't make assumptions but at minimum it sure walks like a duck, no? But in either case, I am just telling you why I post. You are free of course to assume it is wrong or right or somewhere in between, but for me there is more to talk about both online and offline when we're trying to right the ship than when we've righted it.
I think this is a great discussion, but a part of me wishes you would have just PM'd me your theory on why people perceive me the way they do instead of posting in the thread because I feel like these posts are meaningless now in the context of Kobe. Mind PM'ing me your response so we can keep this conversation going but leave this thread for Kobe and his play, etc? (BTW, missed the game today, should I be glad? Numbers wise, we looked ok, so I'm guessing defense was the culprit today).