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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:14 pm

Thanks for the analyses jorker. :bow: :jam2:

I honestly see very little chance that the Lakers don't keep Goudelock to be honest. He seems to me to be the best fit of the three. Not really tall, but he can shoot the hell out of the ball. I think he'll be a great fit.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby revgen on Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:56 pm

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You pretty much confirmed my suspicions on why Mitch drafted Morris and Goudelock. Despite a lot of holes in their games, both do at least 1 thing that is NBA ready. Passing/courtvision for Morris, and Shooting for Goudelock. Hopefully, they can develop beyond their current status and become more than one-dimensional.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:02 pm

^ True. I think that's true for every player drafted though to some degree. :man9:

But specifically for these guys, not only do they provide something NBA ready, but they provide something NBA ready that is a big need for this team. Passing from Morris and shooting from Goudelock are two things this team needs in a big way; not to mention just depth at the guard positions.

I think what's great is that they can fill a role for this team immediately (especially Goudelock) if they make the team. And yet they both have the potential to continue to develop.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby Phil XI on Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:53 pm

nice work.... man you're fast.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby revgen on Sat Jun 25, 2011 10:57 pm

therealdeal wrote:^ True. I think that's true for every player drafted though to some degree. :man9:


Please explain what Ater Majok does that is NBA ready. :man12:

But specifically for these guys, not only do they provide something NBA ready, but they provide something NBA ready that is a big need for this team. Passing from Morris and shooting from Goudelock are two things this team needs in a big way; not to mention just depth at the guard positions.

I think what's great is that they can fill a role for this team immediately (especially Goudelock) if they make the team. And yet they both have the potential to continue to develop.


Yep. Pretty much. The only bad news on the development front is that Goudelock has played 4 years of college ball. He may have more room for improvement, but he is who he is.

Morris is only 20 years old and made huge leap in production between his rookie and sophomore years. There's a chance for more improvement in the future.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:49 am

revgen wrote:Please explain what Ater Majok does that is NBA ready.


When I said-
therealdeal wrote: I think that's true for every player drafted though to some degree.


I was responding to this-
revgen wrote:Hopefully, they can develop beyond their current status and become more than one-dimensional.

:man1:
revgen wrote:Yep. Pretty much. The only bad news on the development front is that Goudelock has played 4 years of college ball. He may have more room for improvement, but he is who he is.

I think he has the tools to develop more into a defender. He's always gong to be a shooter and I think he can make a living in this league as one, but he'll need to continue developing his other skills (namely defense) if he wants to stick around.

revgen wrote:Morris is only 20 years old and made huge leap in production between his rookie and sophomore years. There's a chance for more improvement in the future.


There's definitely some room there. Hopefully he can work around some of his physical limitations. I think his ceiling is something like Andre Miller, but that's only if he develops in a big way.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby KB24 on Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:53 am

JSM wrote:Thanks for the write ups jorker, great stuff as usual.

agreed.

In the second round you have to gamble.

Goudelock has the shooting down, Morris the passing...now the Lakers will try to explore some "untapped" potential and try to work on some other things. If the success is there, you have a steal. If the success is not there, its business as usual for second rounders.

Mitch has been successful though in the draft and in particular in the second round. I have no reason not to trust him.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby revgen on Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:32 am

therealdeal wrote:
revgen wrote:Please explain what Ater Majok does that is NBA ready.


When I said-
therealdeal wrote: I think that's true for every player drafted though to some degree.


I was responding to this-
revgen wrote:Hopefully, they can develop beyond their current status and become more than one-dimensional.

:man1:
revgen wrote:Yep. Pretty much. The only bad news on the development front is that Goudelock has played 4 years of college ball. He may have more room for improvement, but he is who he is.

I think he has the tools to develop more into a defender. He's always gong to be a shooter and I think he can make a living in this league as one, but he'll need to continue developing his other skills (namely defense) if he wants to stick around.

revgen wrote:Morris is only 20 years old and made huge leap in production between his rookie and sophomore years. There's a chance for more improvement in the future.


There's definitely some room there. Hopefully he can work around some of his physical limitations. I think his ceiling is something like Andre Miller, but that's only if he develops in a big way.


1) Ater Majok has zero dimension to his game since he has nothing that is actually NBA-ready at this point. That's why we're stashing him overseas. He's kinda like Bynum when he was 17, except he's 23 years old and will turn 24 in July.

2) Hopefully it's coaching that has limited his defensive potential. Perhaps a Mike Brown defensive-minded culture will help him. We'll see.

4) His physical limitations will only bother him defensively IMO since the NBA has "no touch" rules on the perimeter. The key IMO is for him to improve his judge of distance. He'll be bigger than a lot of guards, so it's important for him to use his size/length to offset his lack of lateral speed.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 26, 2011 9:56 am

Majok? I have zero opinion on that guy. Apparently the Lakers saw something there, but pretty much everyone knows he's a stash pick.

I'm hoping the same thing. Goudelock isn't short on confidence and all indications say he's a worker, hopefully he'll get that defense going.

I suppose that's true. I agree that his size is the one advantage he'll have over most of the PGs in the NBA and a good coaching staff will make him utilize that.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby jbiggs on Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:09 am

do u have a scouting report on trey johnson? these are all really good btw
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby marcelo on Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:57 pm

Awesome read. I'm really pulling for Morris to make it. His passing skills are simply ridiculous.

Goudelock I think will make it, because he's a specialist. What you see is what you get. No potencial there, he's a shooter. If he can continue to shoot that well in the NBA, he'll find work, no problem.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby trodgers on Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:03 pm

'preciate it as usual, Jorker.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby rydjorker121 on Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:08 pm

Jason Kapono
Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 215
Age: 30
Contract: $1,300,000 (’11-12)
Nickname: N/A
Years with Team: 0 (as of yet)
Years with League: 8
Previous Teams: Cleveland, Charlotte, Miami, Toronto, Philadelphia
Acquired: Free Agent '11
Strengths: Excellent shooter from 16’ out, lights out three point shooter
Weaknesses: Overwhelmed physically in every aspect of the game, Terrible defender in all facets, Doesn’t rebound, Takes too many mid-range jumpers instead of threes, Overrated offensive impact, Subpar passer

Offense: I really, really think Kapono’s offense is overrated, on several facets: the guy just hasn’t been relevant in offensive schemes since the Miami’s championship in 2006-2007. For a purported shooter who can space the floor and not distract the flow of the offense, all the teams he’s played for after Miami have suffered offensively while he’s been on the court. That’s disturbing for someone who has such an easy role in the offense. Then, what went wrong? Kapono’s shot choices have always left a lot to be desired. He’s a great mid-range shooter, yes, shooting between 45-50% on long two’s from 2007-2010, but over that period he’s shot 51%, 48%, 42%, and 37% from three. The average shooter takes about 25% of his shots as long 2’s: in his heyday, Kapono would jack up between a third to 42% of his shots as long twos, a highly insane rate. You do the math: if he trades off two pointers for three pointers, not only will he become more far more efficient as a scorer, but he will also increase his scoring rate and perhaps make his team better offensively. That’s why, even though as a lights out three pointer, he was always below the league average in true shooting percentage. This was a subliminal problem at his peak though, as he was still shooting well, but it was only when teams realized what a drag he was to their efficiency by his decision making that his minutes started to wane. What’s really disappointing is that unlike most players, it’s not an “inability to shoot” problem; it’s a “shot distribution” problem which can easily be corrected, so one wonders why Kapono hasn’t switched to more threes over the past three-four years. This all serves to the backdrop that Kapono can really really shoot: he was a two time three point contest champion, and those three point percentages at his peak are nothing short of extraordinary and would put him among the best shooters in the league. Kapono is also a subpar passer, and also doesn’t turn the ball over—his role is virtually shooting jumpers off the catch, and to pass the ball around the perimeter when he doesn’t have an open look—he’s in the top five of SFs in shots assisted, and always has one of the lowest free throw rates in the league.

Defense: Kapono has always been a terrible defender and because of his height (6’8”), is largely stuck guarding small forwards, as he badly lacks the footspeed and athleticism to match up with shooting guards. But even small forward is a weakness—they just need to put him on someone, by default. A trend throughout his career is that he’s always allowed high scoring rates to his opponents, and considering he was a backup for virtually his entire career, this means that he’s been letting 7th-8th men score a prolific rate against him. He has always been on a negative on team defense everywhere he’s played as well since 2006-2007: to emphasize how bad his defense is, the 2007-2008 Toronto Raptors and 2008-2009 Philadelphia 76ers were a terrible defensive teams, but in his two seasons there, for 17 to 23 minutes a game, he made them even worse defensively every time he was on the court. He’s a walking neon sign that says the words “take me off the dribble” to any small forward that he’s guarding. And, to top that all off, Kapono is the WORST rebounding small forward at his position, and has been for the past five years. And to further prove this as a weakness, Kapono routinely makes some of the fewest defensive plays (steals, blocks and charges combined) among small forwards in the league: he’s anemic in all three, indicating a severe lack of athleticism, length and overall ability in this end.

Intangibles: Innocuous player, team-oriented, good locker room presence. Appears to work hard, and many of his limitations just stem from a serious lack of athleticism. He’s overmatched in this league and has sustained himself for nearly a decade with his shooting ability. As one-dimensional as they come.

Future: Of reference, I had Kapono ranked as the 17th best small forward this free agency, even behind fellow fading players like Rodney Carney, Dominic McGuire and Damien Wilkins. But, despite his one-dimensionality, there’s a reason Kapono keeps staying in the league: he can shoot the basketball, even if his aversion to three pointers is hindering his minutes and perhaps his career (that may be why he only played 5 minutes a game in Philadelphia and got supplanted by Jodie Meeks, despite their need for shooters on that team). So I’m really mixed on Kapono: he’s a career 43.7% three point shooter, so he’s a very good bet for the veteran minimum, but his choices to shoot few threes are self-inflicted. But, this is correctable and if the Lakers can just make him take 70-80% of his shots as three pointers, while maintaining his shooting (or at least in the 40% range), then the floor will be far better spaced. Moreover, the Lakers have several superior defenders and are able to hide Kapono on the opponent’s weakest offensive link. Theoretically, this looks like a good fit, and should be a net positive. However, if Kapono insists on shooting mid-range J’s, that and his terrible defense will give him a one-way ticket out of the league: even though shooting ages well, it’s too commonplace. But, for a one year deal at the veteran’s minimum, and considering the potential fit, it’s a good enough signing.

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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby rydjorker121 on Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:14 pm

Random Training Camp Fodder:

Zach Andrews
Height : 6' 9"
Weight: 230
Age: 26
Position: PF
College Team: Bradley
Years in League: 0
Comments: Andrews was a 6’8” center who left Bradley after only playing two years there: he went undrafted. One of his biggest problems is massive foul trouble, both at college and the D-League: in there, he’d foul out every game scaled to 48 minutes, and those were against smaller bigs; in the NBA, he’d probably foul out in half that time, as he’d be considered undersized even as a PF. But at this stage it looks like he’s a center in the NBA, as he doesn’t have the PF’s requisite skills, so that limits his potential even further. Offensively, Andrews is strictly a catch and finish sort of player, as he has no jumper, as seen by his woeful free throw percentages, his nonexistent court vision and high turnover rate. Moreover, he appears to poor at drawing fouls, so really he’s looking hopeless for the NBA offensively. But he can leap out of the building for nasty dunks, and has made a few highlight reels. He also seems to better offensive rebounder than defensive rebounder, and on the surface appears to be a very good rebounder. He’s also surprisingly adept at laying low for steals, and isn’t an impressive shotblocker, but all that will be negated with his foul problems in the NBA. This paints the picture of an active 6’9” big man with some offensive rebounding and intercepting skills, but all of that goes to waste with zero offensive game and massive foul problems. Looks like he doesn’t have much to offer to the league, and appears to be training camp fodder, as he’s already age 26 and has very limited upside.

Elijah Millsap
Height : 6' 6"
Weight: 210
Age: 24
Position: SF
College Team: UAB
Years in League: 0
Comments: Paul Millsap’s younger brother, entered the draft as a junior and went undrafted. He can really score—he averaged nearly a point every two minutes in college and at his first D-League stop before exploding with 23 points per game in 35 mpg for six games with the D-Fenders. His best asset here is his ability to draw fouls, but that’s about it for the NBA. So the scoring is flawed: there’s a possibility that he lacks NBA three point range at this stage, between his very limited attempts from that distance and mediocre overall percentages from that distance. His free throw percentage has gradually improved, but is still a bit subpar, so his jumper’s still a work in progress. Moreover, Millsap has tunnel vision and questionable ballhandling skills when scoring, racking up very few assists but coughing up the ball a fair share of the time. On defense, Millsap is an absolute hack, but he’s very aggressive and has super quick hands to nab steals. He also rebounds very well for his size, both on the offensive and defensive glass. Overall, he’s an interesting player—he looks the part of the NBA wing, and has the ability to be a long wiry defensive type in the league who can slash, sort of in the Dahntay Jones mold. But, he needs to re-adjust his scoring instincts, because they’re very flawed, and focus more on defense and cutting down the fouls.

Malcolm Thomas
Height : 6' 9"
Weight: 225
Age: 23
Position: PF
College Team: San Diego State
Years in League: 0
Comments: Thomas isn’t excellent at both lateral and straight-line quickness, and isn’t that strong, but he has ample length and leaping ability to cover ground and block a ton of shots—he has been in the top crust of PFs in shotblocking for two of his three seasons at college, and he does it all while maintaining his fouls pretty well. Past history has shown him to be a decent team defender. He also uses that length to corral rebounds on both ends of the court, ranking in the top crust in offensive and defensive rebounding. Offensively, Thomas really lacks a jumper badly, but he draws fouls relatively well and can surprisingly pass the ball, although that comes at the expense of some turnovers; not surprisingly, he’s not much of a scorer. He has the nascent tools and production to become a disciplined rover type defender who can rebound, and with the passing ability as a wrinkle he might develop as a poor man’s Kurt Thomas.

Gerald Green
Height : 6' 7"
Weight: 192
Age: 25
Position: SF
College Team: N/A
Years in League: 4
Comments: Green lacks length and strength, and only has average lateral quickness, but he makes up for that with decent transition speed and sick ups—he won the 2007 NBA dunk contest and was runner up in the 2008 dunk contest. But he’s an example of a player that is deluded by his own talents: he calls his own number way too often only to put up pull-up mid-range jumpers, the worst shot in the game. He has massive tunnel vision as well: he looks to score first, second and third, and routinely has one of the lowest assist rates among SFs; moreover, he combines this with a somewhat loose handle, and has racked up a ton of ballhandling turnovers in past seasons. As mentioned, his scoring method is terrible: for someone with that athleticism, Green rarely attacks the basket or draws fouls, so getting to the line would really help, as he’s a career 81% free throw shooter. As it stands, he’s screwing every offense he plays in—every team has become far worse offensively with him in the court, and it’s easy to see between his high usage rate-low TS% correlation. Interestingly though, he’s a good offensive rebounder. It’s a similar story with Green defensively: he puts little effort in and dogs it often, but his team defense can be decent when inspired. He also seems to defend shooting guards better than SFs, as he surrenders high scoring rates to the latter. On an individual basis though, his rebounding is a bit underwhelming and he doesn’t make too many defensive plays, so it’s likely he’ll be a subpar defender even if he tries hard. Ultimately, the dogging defense/tunnel vision has branded him as a me-first, selfish player. The takeaway with Green is this: if Green ever tames down his shot selection, he could be a viable player: between that free throw shooting and shades of good mid-range shooting (40% and 41% at two separate stops) and three point shooting (36% and 38% at two separate stops), he can be a decent go-to bench scorer; at age 25, he should be at his peak, but he could improve into a role player if the light bulb turns on. If he ever starts using that athleticism to slash to the basket more and even starts passing at just a slightly subpar rate, he might even become a starter, but that’s probably asking for way too much from him at this point. Teams have already attempted to revive his career, so he might be beyond salvation.

Chris Daniels
Height : 7' 0"
Weight: 265
Age: 27
Position: C
College Team: Texas A&M Corpus-Christi
Years in League: 0
Comment: Daniels is a talent--he put up high scoring rates and good to very good rebounding numbers in his four years at college and his stint at the D-League--and he can block shots very well. His passing skills seem to be improving as well, and he's not that turnover prone. He also has some touch, between shooting 35-36% from deep in his two most recent college/D-League stints, and looking at his semi-decent college free throw percentages. In terms of pure game, he certainly deserves looks from the league, and he has a NBA body to boot. Looking deeper, there are a few question marks though: Daniels is an absolute hack and with the foul rates he's putting up, might not last half of a NBA game. Also, his free throw percentage seems to be continuously dropping--he only shot 57% from the stripe at the D-League, and he doesn't really draw fouls that well as he seems to be fashioning himself into a 7-foot jumpshooter in recent years. Moreover, there were concerns about Daniels' weight in college, where he sported an insane 16% body fat and had severe conditioning/weight problems. Defensively, he's also below average laterally, in transition, and in terms of vertical, and his standing reach is more like a PF, so there's really concerns about his NBA-defense despite the shotblocking. So he's a bit of a risk, with the conditioning being the biggest question mark, and the defense second, but in terms of production he really deserves a look.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby rydjorker121 on Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:23 pm

Josh McRoberts
Position: PF/C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 240
Age: 24
Contract: $3,100,000 (’11-’12); $3,100,000 (’12-’13)
Nickname: McBobs
Years with Team: 0 (as of yet)
Years with League: 4
Previous Teams: Portland, Indiana
Acquired: 2011 Free Agency
Strengths: Athletic/Dunking ability, Good passer for size, Fast hands/good weakside shotblocker, Ability to run the floor
Weaknesses: Super passive offensively, Questionable defense against PFs, Nonexistent post game, Subpar at drawing fouls, Subpar rebounder, Slight questions about past work ethic/past foul trouble problems

McRoberts has been disappointing this season: for a 24 year old, he so far is trending downward in ten different categories, and is in the bottom twenty PFs in eight different categories.

Offensively, McRoberts has severe structural limitations to his game. He’s a very low usage hustle player who prefers to play around the rim offensively. He’s a team player offensively, with most of his at-rim shots assisted and with the fact that he’s able to rack up assists through some keen court vision, but you’d probably never know it, because the majority of the time he’s going to fade into the background and let his teammates play 4-on-5 offensively. After experimenting with what was thought to be a burgeoning jumper over the past couple of seasons, McRoberts has appeared to shelve that part of his game again, which makes his offensive game that much more predictable. The thing is, it might be the correct choice—McRoberts has been a subpar free throw shooter, which negates his high free throw rate. In addition to the missed foul shots, McRoberts also gets a ton of his inside shots blocked and racks up a ton of turnovers in his few possessions, so this paints the picture of a clumsy player. For an interior player, he doesn’t get too many offensive boards either, so there’s no easy baskets for him. There’s potential in a few areas of his game, such as the passing ability and the bounciness (he’s a highlight reel waiting to happen), but the first is offset by iffy decision making and the second is offset by his lack of a structured interior game and an adequate outside game. As a result, he’s rendered passive on most nights and is a drag on the team offensively whenever he’s on the court. It’s the reason Mike Brown has benched him and gave him several DNP—Coach’s decision despite the fact that he was playing regular minutes early in the season—he got exposed.

Defensively, McRoberts is equally disappointing—he’s an absolute hack who lapses into foul trouble easily, which has also put a cap into the minutes he’s allowed to play. He’s reactive however, and has put up above average block rates the past several seasons, and he’s slightly above average in making defensive plays. However, despite the reactivity, he’s clearly lacking in IQ in this area: in addition to the foul trouble, McRoberts plays slightly subpar man-defense, surrendering high scoring rates in particular to backup power forwards. His team defense is even worse this year. It doesn’t help that McRoberts is subpar at controlling the boards as well, so the overall picture is that he’s very ineffective defensively.

McRoberts is in a tough situation: he has glimpses of talent in multiple areas (passing/shooting?) and has natural traits (athleticism in the form of shotblocking/dunking) but he’s either raw or has low basketball IQ, or both, because he still hasn’t put everything together yet. The overall offense and defense is a drag right now, and while he’s played better defense and shot jumpers well in the past we don’t know if those were the flukes, or if his game as currently comprised is the fluke. Anyway, he’s playing horrendously right now, being unable to space the floor for the Lakers, and is a nonexistent offensive player and an overrated defensive player. If this is the real Josh McRoberts, he’ll be riding the bench more often. At age 24, his potential is running out and starting to become his real ability.

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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:34 pm

thanks jorker this was a great breakdown. I see McRoberts having a MASSIVE opportunity here. He doesn't have to be Lamar Odom, but goodness he's stepping into the 6th man of the year's shoes and he could really shine here.

He seems to have a diverse skill set and I'm really looking forward to seeing what this kid can provide.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby revgen on Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:40 pm

^How is his Basketball IQ? Is he smart?
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

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Troy Murphy
Position: PF/C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 245
Age: 31
Contract: $1,352,181 (’11-‘12)
Nickname: N/A
Years with Team: 0 (as of yet)
Years with League: 10
Previous Teams: Golden State, Indiana, Boston, New Jersey
Acquired: 2011 Free Agency
Strengths: Excellent jumpshooter/three point shooter, Unselfish/minimizes turnovers
Weaknesses: History of traffic cone/atrocious defense particularly against centers, Soft/slow/un-athletic/uncoordinated, Becoming completely unviable in terms of NBA athleticism, Extremely passive/nonexistent offensively, Never o-boards or draws fouls now

Murphy's game has seriously regressed from the better days he's seen at Indiana. Despite the conventional wisdom that height and shooting ability are the best markers for aging, Murphy has actually defied that--he's certainly maintaining the shooting ability, but he plays like he has the legs and reactivity of someone that is sixty older than he is. While he's always looked awkward and slow on the court, it's seriously starting to manifest in his game--instead of partial overwhelming, he's now becoming completely overwhelmed in all things athleticism in the NBA. And it's really made him a super fringe NBA player, even though he's only 31 years old and should be only slightly past his prime.

Along with Josh McRoberts, Murphy noticeably drags down the team offensively--like how the former Steve Blake/Derek Fisher tandem was once dragging the team down with super low usage and shoddy shooting to top that off, the McBobs-Murphy tandem drags down the team by being equally invisible on offense. Between Blake, McBobs, and Murphy, the Lakers now see a lot of 4-on-5 or 3-on-5 sequences on the court, especially if two of them are in the court simultaneously.

For starters, Murphy has the second lowest usage rate among PFs despite being billed as an offensive player: only Reggie Evans has lower, and he's on the floor for rebounding purposes, so it's understandable. His role is also incredibly easy, and has been for much of his career: take all spot-up jumpers from 16 feet and beyond, and he's done that well throughout his career (an interesting factoid is that for the past five-six seasons, virtually all of his threes have been assisted). Even with the Lakers, he's taking 79% of his shots from 16 feet and beyond; he's shooting a career high 49% on his mid-range J's and 41% on threes, so he's doing an excellent job of that. But looking deeper into the shot selection, he's rapidly losing his ability to play around the basket: he possesses the lowest free throw rate among PFs, his offensive rebounding is the fifth lowest (only Matt Bonner, Dirk Nowitzki, Lamar Odom and Kevin Garnett are worse--apparently this is a trait of aging big men), and very rarely does he take shots around the basket. All this means that he doesn't have the ability to procure easy shots--in reality, in what we will call the "
Jason Kapono conundrum", another guy who couldn't and wouldn't shoot a lick around the basket, he should be shaving off his long twos or more threes: as it is, he only takes about 40% of his shots as threes, and as a result he's only producing slightly above average shooting efficiency. Between the low usage rate and the evaporating offensive rebounding and free throw rates, all this means is that he's rapidly losing athleticism--it was never good to begin with, but it went from very subpar to completely NBA-unviable. That's a huge problem, as seen even his shooting ability isn't able to make up for it, and he could be out of the league soon because of it.

So it's really the low usage rate that's the killer: he isn't doing anything terribly wrong on offense per se, so the impact is a bit more subliminal than those of active gunners who shoot blanks: it's just that he's highly invisible. As usual with low usage types, he has a high assist rate, but unlike many of them, he does a good job of minimizing his turnovers and finding players when the shot isn't there.

While Murphy has never been good at drawing fouls or getting extra buckets, in the past he's been a top six-seven type defensive rebounder in the league; now? it's slightly below average, in yet another sign of losing athleticism. That threes-rebounds asset has all been squashed now that he opts to disappear in offensive schemes and now he can't pull his weight in rebounding (only nine PFs have worse rebound rates than he does--a who's who of undersized bigs; Murphy, on the other hand, is 6'11"). And as always, Murphy is highly inadequate when it comes to making defensive plays--while with that subpar athleticism and reactivity one never expects much in steals or blocks, he also refuses to give up his body to draw charges as well. On a Laker team that collectively does a great job of playing defense without fouling, Murphy's also one of their more foul prone players and can't get with the program here because he's too overwhelmed: among PFs, only Carl Landry has a worst rate of defensive plays per foul, and Luis Scola is the only other with similar comparables here. Mike Brown, however, has made him into a merely OK man-defender against PFs, and his team defense isn't as atrocious as it once was. Nonetheless, with Murphy's history of defense, and with the nonexistent defensive playmaking as well as the waning rebounding, one wonders if that's just a temporary dam just waiting to unleash the torrent of water (or in this case, lack of defense) outwards. Murphy can't continue OK defense for long.

Like Steve Blake, Murphy has done a slight inversion to his game under Mike Brown and the Lakers: what once was good offense and horrendous defense has become horrendous offense and OKish defense, but he's not coming out ahead in this bargain--in order to justify that sort of offense, he needs to be a plus defender, and Murphy's history shows that he'll never be (he once lost seven points off his PER through his work in defense at Indiana). The lazy/invisible role in offense in addition to the waning athleticism on both ends of the court, and the fact that his OK defense on the court might be a fluke makes him a highly unviable player to use. He's way more likely to spiral downwards than upwards at this stage too, so at best he's just a stopgap option.

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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:43 pm

^^I don't remember Troy attacking the rim like that.... If his injury didn't take that athleticism AND he can return that that form we are in decent shape at the 4 now......
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:39 am

Guess we'll see if defensive guru Mike Brown and staff can make lemonade out of a lemon......errrr.....slow, unathletic 6'11" forward. Or effectively pick his matchups and hide him. If they are all that they should be able to teach him to be better, again assuming he's over his injury completely. Not that old to get back into his best shape. Sure looks good as a shooter and with the fake and shoot. Hey.... one tall left hander out and two tall lefties to take his place. Lamar more than covered now..... :man12:

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Postby KB24 on Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:13 am

thanks Jorker, as usual fun to read your stuff...always some new stuff in it which one wouldn't pay attention to.
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby dane99 on Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:38 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^I don't remember Troy attacking the rim like that.... If his injury didn't take that athleticism AND he can return that that form we are in decent shape at the 4 now......

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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby karacha on Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:43 pm

Well, in Troy's case... he doesn't need much athleticism. 6-11, 250 lbs body, and desire to take the ball to the rim and dunk it will take a guy far. :man10:
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Re: Laker Scouting Reports

Postby XXIV on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:18 pm

Excellent scouting report(s), I definitely learned a lot more about some of the new players on our team. Let's hope they can all contribute and help us win another title this season. :jam2:
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