Sky wrote:Dagger - It's not so much Bynum the player that sparks civil war as the direction he represents. Build around Kobe now while you have the best player in the game vs. Let Them Gel and pray Bynum lives up to the hype. Keeping both is not an option imo. Kobe wants a ring while he stil has prime left and Bynum won;t be ready to anchor for another two years imo. Kobe has thre years of prime left, Bynum takes two years, Kobe says screw this. Cake and eat it too with Kobe and ABynum is NOT an option. They have to choose.
Ricky Davis - MN keeps him now, last year.
Bobby Simmons - toxic contract, uncertain health
Andre Miller - was a possibility until Fisher signed
Corey Maggette - LA turned down Luke for Maggette
But, is it not true that the real reason we're at this point is because Lamar and Kwame haven't played up to their potential?
If they were the players we thought they were going to be, we wouldn't even be focused on Bynum right now. We would be giving him a fair chance to develop at the normal rate that most young players develop at.
Now it's like in order to fix our current situation, Bynum has to pay the price because of our mistakes with Lamar and Kwame.
As for the players I mentioned as potential options in non-blockbuster deals. Are you saying that the Lakers or the other teams involved wouldn't even consider deals involving these players?
The Lakers only options are JO, stand pat, or trade Kobe?
In relation to JO, I posted this in the JO thread. I would like to know what you think of the trade scenario.
The Pacers were willing to take Jefferson, Krstic, and Collins for JO. But, the deal breaker for them was that they wanted Marcus Williams.
The Nets were willing to give Jefferson, Krstic, and Collins for JO. But, the deal breaker for them was that they didn't want give up Marcus Williams.
Why don't both teams compromise and settle for a little less? The Lakers can help facilitate that.
The Nets get Lamar. The Pacers get Farmar.
Nets outgoing: Jefferson, Krstic, and Collins
Nets incoming: Lamar, Dunleavy, and Harrison
Pacers outgoing: JO, Murphy, Dunleavy, Harrison
Pacers incoming: Jefferson, Krstic, Collins, Kwame, and Farmar
Lakers outgoing: Lamar, Kwame, and Farmar
Lakers incoming: JO and Murphy
The Nets don't get JO, but they get a PF that's only about one notch below JO and they don't have to give up Marcus Williams.
The Pacers don't get Williams, but they get a PG that was drafted only 4 spots after Williams. Plus, they get everything else they were willing to take from the Nets for JO without giving them JO. The added bonus in all of this is that they get Kwame's $9M expiring contract.
On our side, I'm sorry, but while Kobe-JO-LO looks good on paper, I don't think it will convert well on court. JO plays best at PF. Lama plays best at PF as well.
All of Lamar's advantages are at PF. He can drive by slower PF's. He gets more open looks from the perimeter because most PF's don't want to come out there to guard him. He can out-quick slower PF's to the rebound.
You put him at the 3 and you take away his advantages. Yes, he'll be taller and longer than most SF's in the league. But, that's countered by him being slower and less athletic than most SF's in the league. He's not going to get the open looks from the perimeter that he used to because SF's usually shoot from the perimeter and other SF's are used to guarding that. One of his biggest attributes: rebounding, will take a dip because at SF he'll be more on the perimeter and won't really be in the paint to rebound as much.
Some of you guys complain about us potentially getting another SF because we already have so much invested at the position with Luke and Vlad. Well, what do you think is going to happen if we move Lamar to SF if we already have Luke and Vlad?
Also, I've already mentioned this a few pages back before this thread exploded because of JO's recent comments, but recent history has proven that big 3's aren't very successful in winning championships. Big 2's, big 4's, and even big 5's can win championships. But, for some reason big 3's can't get over the hump.
PG: Fisher, Crittenton, Sasha
SG: Kobe, Evans
SF: Vlad, Luke
PF: JO, Murphy, Cook
C: Bynum, Mihm, Turiaf
That's a balanced team offensively and defensively. All of the starters are playing their natural positions.
We already know JO trumps LO in the scoring department. JO and Murphy have both averaged 10 rebounds in this league. So, a combination of JO, Murphy, and Bynum thrown into the mix should trump JO and LO alone in the rebounding department. As for what Lamar brings as a facilitator and in the assists department. Fisher is back and Luke is still going to be here, so both of them combined can make up for what Lamar brings in that department.
In all of this, you have to remember what championships are won with and where championships are won in. Championships are won with defense and championships are won in the paint.
With JO and Bynum together we'll match that formula better than JO and LO together.