Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

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Postby purp n gold on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:04 pm

What deals would you guys accept for Dwight Howard?
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Ludachris on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:10 pm

purp n gold wrote:What deals would you guys accept for Dwight Howard?

Good question - who is out there that you would build the franchise around when Kobe retires? And on a team willing (and able) to trade them away for Howard? Because that's what you'd have to target.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby lakers_09tv on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:10 pm

therealdeal wrote:No, there's a specific poster that keeps saying "he's leaving" and insinuating that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

I'm fine with being down right now, there's not a lot of reason for optimism at this moment, but to make blanket statements and to talk down other posters is something I won't stand for on this site as long as I'm around.

With that said, I'm a busy guy so I'll get back to you all later :man10:

Thanks for being respectful by the way. I like you and your style.

I'm more frustrated than anything else with how the Lakers season is going. If I come off as a douche that's probably why. I think its better to see things from a negative light. So if things go bad it wouldn't hurt as much. That's why I always have a pessimistic view on things laker related.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby dj vitus on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:11 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

As Dwight is a 9-year veteran (omg where did time go), he qualifies for a $17M starting max.

But if Dwight is a 10-year vet, he qualifies for a $20M starting max.

THEREFORE, wouldn't it be in his best interest to sign a 1-year deal, and then go for a long-term contract starting at $20M mega bucks?

If so, I see him sticking around one more year, and then bolting if we don't turn it around. More teams will have cap space in 2014. Just a thought.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby lakers_09tv on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:12 pm

dj vitus wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

As Dwight is a 9-year veteran (omg where did time go), he qualifies for a $17M starting max.

But if Dwight is a 10-year vet, he qualifies for a $20M starting max.

THEREFORE, wouldn't it be in his best interest to sign a 1-year deal, and then go for a long-term contract starting at $20M mega bucks?

If so, I see him sticking around one more year, and then bolting if we don't turn it around. More teams will have cap space in 2014. Just a thought.

With his bad back? I don't see him signing a one year deal anywhere.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby lakers_09tv on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:14 pm

purp n gold wrote:What deals would you guys accept for Dwight Howard?


Westbrook
Durant
Lebron
Rose
Kyrie Irving

Players of that caliber.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Nikez on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:18 pm

lakers_09tv wrote:Dwight from the start didn't want to be here and now its turned into a disaster. No way in hell he stays.

Did he tell you that last night when you guys were facebook chatting? :man3:

From the moment he arrived he was nothing but excited and has had countless comments in the media throughout the first couple months he was here

Dwight Howard wrote:"This is a place that I've always prayed that I could be a part of something very special. So I'm going to take advantage of it," he said. "From 1 to 10, I would give it a good 12. I love it. It's been a lot of fun. Just everything here, from the practices to just everybody. The motivation for everybody is championship."


Now that the beginning of december and dwight is not going to just jump ship and give up his opportunity at being one of the next great lakers big men. I would at least expect some to be a little more reasonable when talking about him wanting to leave at the end of the season.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby lakers_09tv on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:23 pm

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lakers_09tv wrote:Dwight from the start didn't want to be here and now its turned into a disaster. No way in hell he stays.

Did he tell you that last night when you guys were facebook chatting? :man3:

From the moment he arrived he was nothing but excited and has had countless comments in the media throughout the first couple months he was here

Dwight Howard wrote:"This is a place that I've always prayed that I could be a part of something very special. So I'm going to take advantage of it," he said. "From 1 to 10, I would give it a good 12. I love it. It's been a lot of fun. Just everything here, from the practices to just everybody. The motivation for everybody is championship."


Now that the beginning of december and dwight is not going to just jump ship and give up his opportunity at being one of the next great lakers big men. I would at least expect some to be a little more reasonable when talking about him wanting to leave at the end of the season.

I made that post right after listening to this.

http://www.clublakers.com/lakers-discussion/anyone-watched-espn-first-take-this-morning-t137019.html
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:38 pm

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therealdeal wrote:No, there's a specific poster that keeps saying "he's leaving" and insinuating that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

I'm fine with being down right now, there's not a lot of reason for optimism at this moment, but to make blanket statements and to talk down other posters is something I won't stand for on this site as long as I'm around.

With that said, I'm a busy guy so I'll get back to you all later :man10:

Thanks for being respectful by the way. I like you and your style.

I'm more frustrated than anything else with how the Lakers season is going. If I come off as a douche that's probably why. I think its better to see things from a negative light. So if things go bad it wouldn't hurt as much. That's why I always have a pessimistic view on things laker related.

All things within reason.

I'm the exact opposite, but even now I'm not posting in my lovable "Optimistic" thread. There's nothing to be optimistic about. With that said, there's not a point in kicking around a dead horse or continuing to dig a hole deeper than it needs to be. In other words, things are already bad. They're as bad they're going to get basically. The team has checked out mentally on what was supposed to be the greatest team in Laker history. It doesn't GET any worse than that.

With that being what it is, let's just stay at that level of depressing instead of projecting misery.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:42 pm

I don't normally agree with Lakers_09 tv, but I'm 120% with him on most folks would rather take $80 million and be happy than $100 and in a terrible situation with a lot of added pressure. Plus, Dwight has shown in what he said just after being traded to the Lakers when interview by Ric Butcher that he will do what makes him the happiest. If he goes to Brooklyn, he will easily get $$$ with endorsement there without a doubt.

I have always said that there is no way he leaves, but if I had to put money on it right now, today, I would bet that he leaves. I say this not because of our struggles, Kobe, or our current record, but because of our current coach. Dwight knows that he has a 3 year deal with this team and I bet doesn't want any part of him any longer.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Pig Miller on Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:43 pm

there's no more than 8 guys in the league that i'd move dwight for. and i'm pretty sure lebron, durant, etc are not on the market.

our current position is, can't win a title, no one is going to help us with a magical trade, we have no flexibility, likely won't make another coaching change, so our best bet is to ride this out over the next year and a half.

i don't see any way out of this, hoping mitch has a vision.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:05 pm

Pig Miller wrote:there's no more than 8 guys in the league that i'd move dwight for. and i'm pretty sure lebron, durant, etc are not on the market.


This is the problem in our thinking I'm afraid. Why do we have to trade a "name" for another "name"? Good/great teams don't usually work with a lot of "big names"..... painfully, I think we are realizing that here in Laker Land.

I'd trade Pau for a couple pieces. I'd trade Dwight for a top 5 pick and two young players that have upside. In the long run under the new CBA deep teams will have advantages over teams with 2 max players IMO....

Once the CBA takes full effect (over the next 3 years) teams like Miami and OKC will have to let someone go or become very shallow having a deep team build around a vet Max player and a host of good younger players on lesser deals will be the formula for winning IMO.

Now.... the big question is.... Is Howard good enough to be that vet Max Player? I have my doubts.... or at least the team around him will need very specific pieces like he had in Orlando.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby jayloot on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:15 pm

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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Pig Miller on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:15 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Pig Miller wrote:there's no more than 8 guys in the league that i'd move dwight for. and i'm pretty sure lebron, durant, etc are not on the market.


This is the problem in our thinking I'm afraid. Why do we have to trade a "name" for another "name"? Good/great teams don't usually work with a lot of "big names"..... painfully, I think we are realizing that here in Laker Land.

I'd trade Pau for a couple pieces. I'd trade Dwight for a top 5 pick and two young players that have upside. In the long run under the new CBA deep teams will have advantages over teams with 2 max players IMO....

Once the CBA takes full effect (over the next 3 years) teams like Miami and OKC will have to let someone go or become very shallow having a deep team build around a vet Max player and a host of good younger players on lesser deals will be the formula for winning IMO.

Now.... the big question is.... Is Howard good enough to be that vet Max Player? I have my doubts.... or at least the team around him will need very specific pieces like he had in Orlando.


i don't care about a name, but assuming we don't want to go into rebuilding mode or be stuck as a 2nd round team (i.e. memphis, atlanta, etc), i think we need to get a franchise player in return.

if we move dwight for a couple guys with upside, we're essentially telling kobe that his last season is a farewell tour, not a drive to the title.

yes, you're right that there will be max players available over the next few years. however, the guys who are being let go (i'm envisioning a chris bosh type caliber player) are not franchise players, whether they make the max or not.

i'd rather take pau, sell him at a lesser value and still have dwight to build around. i just keep thinking about the van exel, jones, ceballos days. fun, but 2nd round fodder each year. if not for a once in a generation player in shaq, we would have been stuck in the 2nd round until kobe matured into a legit #1 option on a title team.

either way, pau's shelf life is shorter, so i'd be happy moving him for a couple role players who have 2-3 years remaining.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby last stand on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:19 pm

We'd be better off letting him walk than trading him for nothing which is what's available.

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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:22 pm

jayloot wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b2patl9

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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby jayloot on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:23 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
jayloot wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b2patl9

It won't happen but I can dream.


Isn't seeing how many wins you can get up to on that thing fun?



Very. It keeps me from being depressed all day. :bang:
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:47 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a5dy3cv

I'm not going to lie, but I like this trade idea. What do you guys think?? Enough value?

I do think that we or the T-wolves would have to give the Nets someone else other than D.Williams because the Wolves would be sending out a lot of good talent on their team (Love, AK-47, D Williams)

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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:50 pm

If he leaves, the buss' and kupchak have only themselves to blame. Phil was interested in coaching Howard, a new challenge that intrigue him, but what do these 3 clowns do? They sabotage the season shunning Phil for lil Jimbo...now they're in danger of losing their future as well as the present.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:13 pm

last stand wrote:We'd be better off letting him walk than trading him for nothing which is what's available.

Take the gamble and live with the consequences

Yep. If he stays, great. If he doesn't, well that's not the end of the world either.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Ludachris on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:43 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Pig Miller wrote:there's no more than 8 guys in the league that i'd move dwight for. and i'm pretty sure lebron, durant, etc are not on the market.


This is the problem in our thinking I'm afraid. Why do we have to trade a "name" for another "name"? Good/great teams don't usually work with a lot of "big names"..... painfully, I think we are realizing that here in Laker Land.

I'd trade Pau for a couple pieces. I'd trade Dwight for a top 5 pick and two young players that have upside. In the long run under the new CBA deep teams will have advantages over teams with 2 max players IMO....

Once the CBA takes full effect (over the next 3 years) teams like Miami and OKC will have to let someone go or become very shallow having a deep team build around a vet Max player and a host of good younger players on lesser deals will be the formula for winning IMO.

Now.... the big question is.... Is Howard good enough to be that vet Max Player? I have my doubts.... or at least the team around him will need very specific pieces like he had in Orlando.

Completely agree with you. I share the same doubts and at this point, the same opinion on what we could do with a trade. Problem is, this organization doesn't think that way and with the new TV deal, they need stars on the court to keep the TV execs happy. This is LA after all.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Ludachris on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:48 am

last stand wrote:We'd be better off letting him walk than trading him for nothing which is what's available.

Take the gamble and live with the consequences

Top 5 draft pick and some young players with upside is nothing? Maybe there's not another big name out there that has the potential to build a franchise around that another team is willing to give up in return, but that's not the only option here.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:32 am

Ludachris wrote:
last stand wrote:We'd be better off letting him walk than trading him for nothing which is what's available.

Take the gamble and live with the consequences

Top 5 draft pick and some young players with upside is nothing? Maybe there's not another big name out there that has the potential to build a franchise around that another team is willing to give up in return, but that's not the only option here.

Yes that's nothing unless all of those people come with contracts ending in 2014 because we have an opportunity to do something unique and special that summer and we don't want to be tied down by stupid contracts to young players. See: Sacremento Kings, Charlotte Bobcats, Detroit Pistons.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Ludachris on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:03 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Ludachris wrote:
last stand wrote:We'd be better off letting him walk than trading him for nothing which is what's available.

Take the gamble and live with the consequences

Top 5 draft pick and some young players with upside is nothing? Maybe there's not another big name out there that has the potential to build a franchise around that another team is willing to give up in return, but that's not the only option here.

Yes that's nothing unless all of those people come with contracts ending in 2014 because we have an opportunity to do something unique and special that summer and we don't want to be tied down by stupid contracts to young players. See: Sacremento Kings, Charlotte Bobcats, Detroit Pistons.

You got a point. I keep forgetting about the goal for 2014.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:06 pm

Lakers fear D12 will the do the unthinkable and retire after playing 12 seasons in 1 calendar year.
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