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Postby Ludachris on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:02 pm

Lakerjones wrote:^^ Couldn't agree with you more, Ludachris!

I just hope that firing D' Antoni after the season isn't too late. As I've mentioned probably too many times for posters here, I would prefer that they do it much sooner in order to at least try to salvage some of the season and make a push for the playoffs. Every day, every game makes me more convinced that D' Antoni has lost the team and won't be able to get them playing well enough to win the necessary amount of games. Bernie would be a long shot too, but at least I know that they DID enjoy playing for him, even if it was only for 5 games. I just don't think anyone could do a worse job right now than D' Antoni. Despite all of their foibles, there is still half a season to play left.

Here's the problem with firing D'Antoni before the end of the season - that would make this organization look even worse, as hard as that is to imagine. What good coach in their right mind would want to come here after they watched two coaches fired in one season? It makes them look better if they just let it play out - at least in terms of being able to get a good coach. You think Sloan would want this job now? Phil certainly doesn't want it. Coach K going to leave his stable post for this circus? I don't think they can fire him without killing their credibility. Doing it at season's end would be better, and so long as they do it quick, Dwight will probably be fine with it, especially if they talk it over with him.
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Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:06 pm

phoenixrisingla wrote:
borri wrote:It still BOGGLES my mind that Jimmy was talking about maximizing Nash! A 38 year old PG. NOT D12, a 27 yr old stud center....THE offseason acquisition. The guy who didn't sign a long term deal.

And the Buss's wanted to cater to Nash? Unbelievable really. What on God's green earth were they thinking.


Its hard to know. The decision seemed immediately wrong, and the reasons given after the backlash from fans seemed flimsy and transparent.

Dark days.


This is why I can't get myself to believe that Jerry was behind the Antoni hire. Jerry is way way too smart to make this type of blunder. Jerry would never count his chickens before they hatched.

It seems to me, Jimmy convinced himself that D12 would re-sign no matter what and ignored whatever possiblity that D12 wouldn't re-sign.

This could all blow up in the Laker's face if D12 decides to leave because he just can't play in Antoni's system. I wouldn't blame him too much for leaving.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:07 pm

Ludachris wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:^^ Couldn't agree with you more, Ludachris!

I just hope that firing D' Antoni after the season isn't too late. As I've mentioned probably too many times for posters here, I would prefer that they do it much sooner in order to at least try to salvage some of the season and make a push for the playoffs. Every day, every game makes me more convinced that D' Antoni has lost the team and won't be able to get them playing well enough to win the necessary amount of games. Bernie would be a long shot too, but at least I know that they DID enjoy playing for him, even if it was only for 5 games. I just don't think anyone could do a worse job right now than D' Antoni. Despite all of their foibles, there is still half a season to play left.

Here's the problem with firing D'Antoni before the end of the season - that would make this organization look even worse, as hard as that is to imagine. What good coach in their right mind would want to come here after they watched two coaches fired in one season? It makes them look better if they just let it play out - at least in terms of being able to get a good coach. You think Sloan would want this job now? Phil certainly doesn't want it. Coach K going to leave his stable post for this circus? I don't think they can fire him without killing their credibility. Doing it at season's end would be better, and so long as they do it quick, Dwight will probably be fine with it, especially if they talk it over with him.


This.

We can talk until we are blue in the face about the basketball reasons D'Antoni needs to be fired and I wont even try to dispute any of those.

But thats an over-simplification. The Lakers organization is a $1B business and is weighing more into the equation than what we are discussing here.

Unfortunately.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:08 pm

Ludachris wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:^^ Couldn't agree with you more, Ludachris!

I just hope that firing D' Antoni after the season isn't too late. As I've mentioned probably too many times for posters here, I would prefer that they do it much sooner in order to at least try to salvage some of the season and make a push for the playoffs. Every day, every game makes me more convinced that D' Antoni has lost the team and won't be able to get them playing well enough to win the necessary amount of games. Bernie would be a long shot too, but at least I know that they DID enjoy playing for him, even if it was only for 5 games. I just don't think anyone could do a worse job right now than D' Antoni. Despite all of their foibles, there is still half a season to play left.

Here's the problem with firing D'Antoni before the end of the season - that would make this organization look even worse, as hard as that is to imagine. What good coach in their right mind would want to come here after they watched two coaches fired in one season? It makes them look better if they just let it play out - at least in terms of being able to get a good coach. You think Sloan would want this job now? Phil certainly doesn't want it. Coach K going to leave his stable post for this circus? I don't think they can fire him without killing their credibility. Doing it at season's end would be better, and so long as they do it quick, Dwight will probably be fine with it, especially if they talk it over with him.


You're right. Like I said in another thread....NO WAY IN HELL, the Buss's will swallow their pride and fire Antoni this season. If you think they are the laughing stock of the NBA right now wait and see what happens if they do fire Antoni this year.

First time in pro team sports history has a franchise fired TWO head coaches in one season.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:41 pm

^^ I hear what you guys are saying. I do. But I brought this up in my last D' Antoni thread post: when you make a mistake - and this was a pretty monumental and glaring one- it is actually much worse to try and cover it up or hide it under the rug. It's better to own up to the mistake and try to fix it. You can learn from mistakes if you acknowledge them, and you can fix mistakes if you admit to them and try to solve them.

They are risking much more by continuing on this path right now. Everyone already knows this was a bungled hire. EVERYONE. The only people who can try to pretend it wasn't are Jim and Jerry. But they can't keep hiding their heads in the sand and pretend it's going away. There's no shame in admitting it didn't work out and riding out the year with Bernie. He's the only who has gotten them to buy into anything. He's on the payroll.

Teams fire their coaches when it doesn't work out. It's part of professional sports. And while there isn't a lot of precedent for it, in this case the last two coaching hires didn't work out. Tough.

D' Antoni's already done. He's now lost the team. This is now a media issue as well. Everyone including his players thinks he's the wrong guy. Now you run the risk of losing Dwight. He should be gone. Waiting til the end of the year is just prolonging the agony. Everyone here is in agreement he should get canned. Just rip off the band-aid already. It doesn't make us look any better to keep him all year losing game after game.

RE: other coaches. Phil isn't coming back. Jim and Jerry burned that bridge to the ground for all to see. Sloan is still unemployed. They might want to actually give him a phone call this time around. Nate McMillan is also still available. Either of those guys would be just pleased as punch to take over this roster and see what they could do regardless of whether D' Antoni is fired now, tomorrow or at the end of the season.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby JGC on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:47 pm

What is the unthinkable? That he resigns with the Lakers?
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Postby Maluco Beleza on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:51 pm

Lakerjones wrote:^^ I hear what you guys are saying. I do. But I brought this up in my last D' Antoni thread post: when you make a mistake - and this was a pretty monumental and glaring one- it is actually much worse to try and cover it up or hide it under the rug. It's better to own up to the mistake and try to fix it. You can learn from mistakes if you acknowledge them, and you can fix mistakes if you admit to them and try to solve them.

They are risking much more by continuing on this path right now. Everyone already knows this was a bungled hire. EVERYONE. The only people who can try to pretend it wasn't are Jim and Jerry. But they can't keep hiding their heads in the sand and pretend it's going away. There's no shame in admitting it didn't work out and riding out the year with Bernie. He's the only who has gotten them to buy into anything. He's on the payroll.

Teams fire their coaches when it doesn't work out. It's part of professional sports. And while there isn't a lot of precedent for it, in this case the last two coaching hires didn't work out. Tough.

D' Antoni's already done. He's now lost the team. This is now a media issue as well. Everyone including his players thinks he's the wrong guy. Now you run the risk of losing Dwight. He should be gone. Waiting til the end of the year is just prolonging the agony. Everyone here is in agreement he should get canned. Just rip off the band-aid already. It doesn't make us look any better to keep him all year losing game after game.

RE: other coaches. Phil isn't coming back. Jim and Jerry burned that bridge to the ground for all to see. Sloan is still unemployed. They might want to actually give him a phone call this time around. Nate McMillan is also still available. Either of those guys would be just pleased as punch to take over this roster and see what they could do regardless of whether D' Antoni is fired now, tomorrow or at the end of the season.


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Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:53 pm

^^ Thank you!
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:57 pm

I don't see a new coach in our immediate future.... we're still paying Brown and firing MDA would mean that we're paying two coaches that are sitting at home cashing Laker checks.... and adding a new one that would extort 10 mil + because of the situation....

That's a ton of money to spend to get another coach in here that Howard won't listen to ......again....
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Postby Maluco Beleza on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:59 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I don't see a new coach in our immediate future.... we're still paying Brown and firing MDA would mean that we're paying two coaches that are sitting at home cashing Laker checks.... and adding a new one that would extort 10 mil + because of the situation....

That's a ton of money to spend to get another coach in here that Howard won't listen to ......again....



he'll listen to Sloan... other than that you're right
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:00 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I don't see a new coach in our immediate future.... we're still paying Brown and firing MDA would mean that we're paying two coaches that are sitting at home cashing Laker checks.... and adding a new one that would extort 10 mil + because of the situation....

That's a ton of money to spend to get another coach in here that Howard won't listen to ......again....


I know you are not a D12 fan and was against moving Bynum for him. But that's quite a leap you are making. If Bynum was our C, let's just say, we'd have ALOT more negative quoted material to read about.

Here the analogy I am gonna make. D12 and Antoni's offense = Magic and the TRI.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:06 pm

borri wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:I don't see a new coach in our immediate future.... we're still paying Brown and firing MDA would mean that we're paying two coaches that are sitting at home cashing Laker checks.... and adding a new one that would extort 10 mil + because of the situation....

That's a ton of money to spend to get another coach in here that Howard won't listen to ......again....


I know you are not a D12 fan and was against moving Bynum for him. But that's quite a leap you are making.

Here the analogy I am gonna make. D12 and Antoni's offense = Magic and the TRI.


:man3:

Go read my posts... I was against moving Pau AND Bynum for Howard.... I said many times a straight up trade would help the team..... not as much as many here promised (yourself included) but nonetheless help the team.

I've always been critical of Howard's lack of fundamentals.... now I think a lot here can see why.

As for my comments about coaches and changes. Stan Van Gundy and Otis smith bent over backwards for Howard.... his teammates were hand picked to play with them and enhance his strengths...... and he still threw the entire group under the bus and drove it over them on the way out of town..... Changing coaches to just sign this guy for another 5 years seems like a huge mistake. Make him prove he should be a Laker first.....

I couldn't care less about Bynum right now.... he's not our problem.... Howard is....
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:17 pm

D12 didn't listen to Van Gundy....how man years did D12 play under Van Gundy? Are you saying D12 never ever listened to Van Gundy?

It got sour when Otis failed miserably to get pieces around D12 after Turk and Lewis fell of the table.

Again you are making a huge leap assuming that there's no way to placate D12. Look at the situation we have now. We have coach who admitted that the most inefficient play in basketball is to throw it into the post. If you are a post player, wtf would you think? Really.
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:39 pm

borri wrote:We have coach who admitted that the most inefficient play in basketball is to throw it into the post. If you are a post player, wtf would you think? Really.


I dont' like MDA one bit either....

Here's the issue with what you just wrote however.... Howard is not an efficient post scorer with his back to the basket..... never has been. If you remove the lob dunks and put-back dunks you're left with a poor shooting % for a Big. That's who he is.... and who he's been. He doesn't need 10 post touches in the same manner that Shaq or Bynum got.... that's not where he excels. He needs chaos in the paint created by action on the outside and the threat of 3 point shooters. That's where he gets is high efficiency points. My larger point is that he will be more effective when we change personnel rather than coaches IMO. Add to that... that I don't think players should be making coaching decisions.... regardless of who they are....
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:47 pm

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borri wrote:We have coach who admitted that the most inefficient play in basketball is to throw it into the post. If you are a post player, wtf would you think? Really.


I dont' like MDA one bit either....

Here's the issue with what you just wrote however.... Howard is not an efficient post scorer with his back to the basket..... never has been. If you remove the lob dunks and put-back dunks you're left with a poor shooting % for a Big. That's who he is.... and who he's been. He doesn't need 10 post touches in the same manner that Shaq or Bynum got.... that's not where he excels. He needs chaos in the paint created by action on the outside and the threat of 3 point shooters. That's where he gets is high efficiency points. My larger point is that he will be more effective when we change personnel rather than coaches IMO. Add to that... that I don't think players should be making coaching decisions.... regardless of who they are....


That's right. Players NEVER ever should be making coaching decisions. That's the FO's job. Decide which coach maximized the talent of your team.

This is not the case where D12 doesn't like MDA and thinks it's a bad fit. As far as I know, it's not public. But 100000% sure it is the case behind closed doors. But the thing is, it's just not D12. Kobe has said as much. Nash is even willing to tweek things. Fans see it. The league sees it.

This is not the case of prima donna star getting what he wants.

To your larger point. I wholeheartedly disagree. A coach can only do so much as the talent he's had on the floor. Coaches are a dime a dozen. Really Good centers or players for that matter don't grow on trees.

PJ won't have those rings if it weren't for his players. You get players, THEN you get a coach to maximize their talents. You don't get players to maximize the talents of your coach. It makes zero sense.

It's like this. Nash and Shaq are available in the draft. Who do you take? According to your premise. Because we have Antoni.....we should take Nash. Build around the coach right?
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:52 pm

borri wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
borri wrote:We have coach who admitted that the most inefficient play in basketball is to throw it into the post. If you are a post player, wtf would you think? Really.


I dont' like MDA one bit either....

Here's the issue with what you just wrote however.... Howard is not an efficient post scorer with his back to the basket..... never has been. If you remove the lob dunks and put-back dunks you're left with a poor shooting % for a Big. That's who he is.... and who he's been. He doesn't need 10 post touches in the same manner that Shaq or Bynum got.... that's not where he excels. He needs chaos in the paint created by action on the outside and the threat of 3 point shooters. That's where he gets is high efficiency points. My larger point is that he will be more effective when we change personnel rather than coaches IMO. Add to that... that I don't think players should be making coaching decisions.... regardless of who they are....


That's right. Players NEVER ever should be making coaching decisions. That's the FO's job. Decide which coach maximized the talent of your team.

This is not the case where D12 doesn't like MDA and thinks it's a bad fit. As far as I know, it's not public. But 100000% sure it is the case behind closed doors. But the thing is, it's just not D12. Kobe has said as much. Nash is even willing to tweek things. Fans see it. The league sees it.

This is not the case of prima donna star getting what he wants.

To your larger point. I wholeheartedly disagree. A coach can only do so much as the talent he's had on the floor. Coaches are a dime a dozen. Really Good centers or players for that matter don't grow on trees.

PJ won't have those rings if it weren't for his players. You get players, THEN you get a coach to maximize their talents. You don't get players to maximize the talents of your coach. It makes zero sense.

It's like this. Nash and Shaq are available in the draft. Who do you take? According to your premise. Because we have Antoni.....we should take Nash. Build around the coach right?


:man10: I think we've stumbled upon common ground actually..... See the bolded part above. I said the personnel is more important to Howard's game than the coach. Mostly because very few coaches get what they ask for at this level......
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Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:00 pm

^^^

Bolded part that obvious. You've a got stud center. You need shooters to space the floor. That's basketball 101. Didn't i tell you that if we got Bynum shooters, he'll have a break out year when everyone was down on him? Of course it doesn't matter now because Bynum is gone and isn't even playing in PHI to make that prediction come true.

And it gets back to the point. You get the players first. Then you get the coach to maximize those players.

LAL got the players. Brought in PJ to maximize those players. BAM...3 peat.

Did you think those damn Celtics thought about which players are good for Doc Rivers when they brought in the big 3? How about MIA and Spoelstra.

Get the players first. IF the coach can't maximize their talents. Get another that does. MIA wanted to fire Spoelstra in their 1st year together.

That's we did. We got the players. Brown sucked. We fire him. Problem is we hired another wrong coach.
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Postby Ludachris on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:03 pm

I still think they lose credibility as an organization if they fire D'Antoni before the season ends. That would prove that they're impatient in addition to being incompetent. They need to show that they aren't on a roll with knee jerk reactions simply because they aren't getting the results with a coach they felt would deliver the style of play they wanted, even if it wasn't the best choice.

You know what's sad, the Buss family seems more interested in the style of play than actually winning - eerily similar to the way Al Davis ran the Raiders for decades. He talked about winning, but only wanted to achieve it playing man to man defense and throwing the deep ball on offense. He was more committed to his vision of how he wanted it done than excellence, and that resulted in decades of mediocrity. Hopefully Jim and Jerry don't head down that same path in an effort to recapture the showtime era.
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:05 pm

borri wrote:^^^

Bolded part that obvious. You've a got stud center. You need shooters to space the floor. That's basketball 101. And it gets back to the point. You get the players first. Then you get the coach to maximize those players.

LAL got the players. Brought in PJ to maximize those players. BAM...3 peat.

Did you think those damn Celtics thought about which players are good for Doc Rivers when they brought in the big 3? How about MIA and Spoelstra.

Get the players first. IF the coach can't maximize their talents. Get another that does. MIA wanted to fire Spoelstra in their 1st year together.

That's we did. We got the players. Brown sucked. We fire him. Problem is we hired another wrong coach.


There's another conclusion here you may be missing..... The players.... just because they have name recognition doesn't mean they can play together or that they are even anywhere near the level of player that created the name in the first place.

I'd say we don't have the "players"..... we have "names"........ with absolutely no bench.... Phil or Sloan doesn't change that. The fact is..... Brown took a team worse than the last one Phil coached one game further last year......
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Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:08 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I'd say we don't have the "players"..... we have "names"........ with absolutely no bench.... Phil or Sloan doesn't change that. The fact is..... Brown took a team worse than the last one Phil coached one game further last year......


This has occured to me multiple times this season as well. And I made the same mistake because I thought we were GOLDEN in the off season when we got Nash and D12.

I think at the end of the day the names on the paper of our roster, do not accurately reflect the quality of the players on our court.
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Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:09 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
borri wrote:^^^

Bolded part that obvious. You've a got stud center. You need shooters to space the floor. That's basketball 101. And it gets back to the point. You get the players first. Then you get the coach to maximize those players.

LAL got the players. Brought in PJ to maximize those players. BAM...3 peat.

Did you think those damn Celtics thought about which players are good for Doc Rivers when they brought in the big 3? How about MIA and Spoelstra.

Get the players first. IF the coach can't maximize their talents. Get another that does. MIA wanted to fire Spoelstra in their 1st year together.

That's we did. We got the players. Brown sucked. We fire him. Problem is we hired another wrong coach.


There's another conclusion here you may be missing..... The players.... just because they have name recognition doesn't mean they can play together or that they are even anywhere near the level of player that created the name in the first place.

I'd say we don't have the "players"..... we have "names"........ with absolutely no bench.... Phil or Sloan doesn't change that. The fact is..... Brown took a team worse than the last one Phil coached one game further last year......


Disagree. We have players. We do. The system is dead wrong.

TRI needs:

1. PG who can shoot. --- NASH
2. SG who can score. --- KOBE (not like he hasn't had any success with the TRI. :man12: )
3. PF who can pass and score. --- PAU
4. C who can score and pass out of double teams. --- D12. (LOL once again...SHAQ - TRI.)

lastly, the TRI slows down the offense. When 4 of the 5 starters are old....it does wonders.
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Postby borri on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:12 pm

^^^

I'll add one more thing. We are a dangerous team come playoff time....if we even get there. Right system from the Brown fire, gets us into the playoffs at least the 5th or 4th seed.

With a team full of vets, no one wants to play us. We are a team built for the playoffs. Sadly we probably won't get there because of the wrong system and coach.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:17 pm

karacha wrote:^

You are stating some of those things as facts.


Sorry. I didn't mean come across that way.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:28 pm

I agree that this team can do well in the playoffs, if they have the right coach.

We still need to get rid of Pau, though. He proved that his lack of heart extends to the playoffs. We also discovered this year that

1) Dwight isn't Shaq, who could get his shot every time, even if it was a dunk, when he's not double-teamed. Running the offense through him doesn't work.

2) Nash is old. His days of running the offense are over. He can do it for small amounts of time, but we need a 1a at the point to co-lead. Better than Blake.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:31 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:2) Nash is old. His days of running the offense are over. He can do it for small amounts of time, but we need a 1a at the point to co-lead. Better than Blake.


Miami made him look like a high schooler out there...... I was embarrassed for him....

They also laid the blue print for both guarding Howard and Nash in the unlikely event we eek into the playoffs.

We have only one player that can create his own shot on the entire roster.... that is a problem we've had for 3 years and 4 coaches that never seems to be addressed.
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