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Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:33 pm

^ Nash can create for himself a little, but he's certainly looked slower since his injury and he wasn't fast to begin with.

What happened to him after that New York game though? Down the stretch he was making shots all over the place on Felton. Now he barely shoots and when he does he barely lifts.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby BigDan24 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:34 pm

Source: Dwight's One Concern About Re-Signing Is D'Antoni
Jan 24, 2013 10:19 AM EST


The Los Angeles Lakers remain confident that they will re-sign Dwight Howard and do not plan on entertaining a trade before the February deadline.

Sources say the one issue that could give make Howard hesitant about committing to the Lakers would be D'Antoni.

While D'Antoni was head coach of the New York Knicks, he told the front office that he preferred Tyson Chandler to Howard, according to a source.

The Lakers are confident the power of their brand, market and ability to pay him the most money will convince him to stay.

"Even if they're right, and Dwight stays, do you want Dwight unhappy and feeling uninvolved with D'Antoni?" said one source tied to both the Lakers and Howard.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225762/Source_Dwights_One_Concern_About_Re_Signing_Is_DAntoni
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:36 pm

therealdeal wrote:^ Nash can create for himself a little, but he's certainly looked slower since his injury and he wasn't fast to begin with.

What happened to him after that New York game though? Down the stretch he was making shots all over the place on Felton. Now he barely shoots and when he does he barely lifts.



He has historic back issues as well..... maybe the age and leg injuries are all starting to weigh on him.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby karacha on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:38 pm

What a surprise, right? Dwight was probably convinced that the FO would hire Phil and was excited to play for him. Oops.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:40 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
therealdeal wrote:^ Nash can create for himself a little, but he's certainly looked slower since his injury and he wasn't fast to begin with.

What happened to him after that New York game though? Down the stretch he was making shots all over the place on Felton. Now he barely shoots and when he does he barely lifts.



He has historic back issues as well..... maybe the age and leg injuries are all starting to weigh on him.

Maybe, I don't know. Probably the minutes he's playing have been tough since coming off of injury he's playing well into the mid 30s minutes wise. We need someone capable of giving him a breather without giving up EVERY lead. Morris and Duhon and Blake (eventually) seriously aren't cutting it.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:41 pm

karacha wrote:What a surprise, right? Dwight was probably convinced that the FO would hire Phil and was excited to play for him. Oops.

You know... if Meeks and Jamison worked out better and if Dwight had returned more healthy than he's been...

Nash/Meeks/Bryant/Jamison/Howard makes a lot of sense with a D'Antoni team. Some explosion, some shooting, it sounds good. That's why I was optimistic at least...

But a hobbled Nash, a broken down Howard, and an exausted Kobe later the hiring is one of the biggest bungles of all time :man10:
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby karacha on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:50 pm

More like: hobbled Nash, rusty M33ks, exhausted Kobe, confused Jamison and frustrated Howard. :man10:
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:52 pm

LJ, who wouldn't love Los Angeles? Additionally, when you're here rehabbing you're back and there's Lakers fans wants you to come play for the Purple & Gold. I believe Dwight loves the spotlight. I even think there was a quote by Metta that stated Dwight loves being here because of the spotlight. That's fine. I don't mind that. However, when you're not successful as a Laker especially given the championship expectations this can be an environment where the media & fans can be merciless and unrelenting if they don't believe the team or you as an individual or playing up to your hype. It's been a difficult year for everybody from the FO to us as fans in that regard.

We remember the whole, "Dwightmare," situation, right? We remember him attempting to get Stan Van Gundy fired, right? We remember his flip-flopping on whether or not he wanted to stay in Orlando, right? I point these things out not to bash but to make a point. Afterwards, when Dwight was traded here to Los Angeles, I believe he was happy & humbled of getting a fresh start. Well, as we know, this season has been a failure. This isn't all Dwight's fault. Nevertheless, when things are going bad and adversity strikes, Dwight has a tendency to completely avoid the situation or blame others, IMO.

Even before the stat sheet incident, there was a report from the NY Daily News that he was involved physically fighting with Kobe. Do I believe that? Nope. I do believe they had words, though. Then what does Dwight do to placate the situation of his seems to be a volatile, rocky relationship with him & Kobe, IMO? He sends a picture out on his phone to make fun of those reports. He never wants to be perceived as the, "Bad Guy," IMO.

As for the system, it's not a good fit. We all know that. I was trying to support MDA, but he's lost. I don't blame Dwight for being unhappy with the system. However, this is the second coach that he's had problems with; he wanted Stan Van Gundy fired. That is fact because Stan Van Gundy said it to the media. Dwight has character issues. On top of that, he hasn't been great this year offensively. That's not all his fault. Part of it his health; Another part though is effort. He looks uninspired.

I don't think you can build around him. I wouldn't invest 5-10 years and hand the keys over to somebody like this, IMO.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:53 pm

And all that adds up to a failed system and failed experiment.

I know the Lakers don't want to look like fools firing D'Antoni already, but they'll look like bigger fools keeping him and forcing their "future star" out the door in the process. We all know Dwight loves it here, but playing under D'Antoni must not be fun.

I say fire him now, even if you don't hire Phil at least you got rid of the failed D'Antoni idea. Let Bickerstaff finish the season and in the summer go get Phil. Yes, you're eating millions paying off two s***ty coaches, but at least your future looks brighter.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby last stand on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:58 pm

Would rather have Phil in a front office role and shaw as coach personally
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:02 pm

last stand wrote:Would rather have Phil in a front office role and shaw as coach personally

Fine, but D'Antoni isn't the answer right? That's what I'm most concerned about.

Also, hopefully no to Phil as GM. He's made some wacky statements back in the day.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:04 pm

therealdeal wrote:And all that adds up to a failed system and failed experiment.

I know the Lakers don't want to look like fools firing D'Antoni already, but they'll look like bigger fools keeping him and forcing their "future star" out the door in the process. We all know Dwight loves it here, but playing under D'Antoni must not be fun.

I say fire him now, even if you don't hire Phil at least you got rid of the failed D'Antoni idea. Let Bickerstaff finish the season and in the summer go get Phil. Yes, you're eating millions paying off two s***ty coaches, but at least your future looks brighter.


^^ I agree with you wholeheartedly realdeal.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:08 pm

DHD, again, while Kobe and Dwight don't make the best bunk buddies of all time, if you read the latest WOJ article he states that the only thing in the way of Dwight resigning is D' Antoni continuing on.

I think everyone, not just Dwight, is done with D' Antoni. As realdeal mentioned - experiment failed. You don't see anyone on the team buying into it. The sooner they admit that it was a mistake the better. Then you can move on. It was another bad hire. But that's how it goes. Learn from it and pick a good two way coach next time - one who can actually fit logically with the personnel as well.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby last stand on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:09 pm

therealdeal wrote:
last stand wrote:Would rather have Phil in a front office role and shaw as coach personally

Fine, but D'Antoni isn't the answer right? That's what I'm most concerned about.

Also, hopefully no to Phil as GM. He's made some wacky statements back in the day.


Hell no as a gm. That's Mitch's job. More as a consultant for both coaches and players to go to. Would want a guy like shaw to have that outlet for discussion
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Ludachris on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:11 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote: this can be an environment where the media & fans can be merciless and unrelenting if they don't believe the team or you as an individual or playing up to your hype. It's been a difficult year for everybody from the FO to us as fans in that regard...
It won't be any different playing with Deron Williams in NJ. And I seriously don't think he's looking at markets like Dallas or Houston. He wants a big stage. With a big stage comes big pressure and merciless fans and media. At least here he knows that the team will spend and has a decent history of retooling pretty successfully.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:13 pm

Lakerjones wrote:DHD, again, while Kobe and Dwight don't make the best bunk buddies of all time, if you read the latest WOJ article he states that the only thing in the way of Dwight resigning is D' Antoni continuing on.

I think everyone, not just Dwight, is done with D' Antoni. As realdeal mentioned - experiment failed. You don't see anyone on the team buying into it. The sooner they admit that it was a mistake the better. Then you can move on. It was another bad hire. But that's how it goes. Learn from it and pick a good two way coach next time - one who can actually fit logically with the personnel as well.


I'm going to say this; the only coach who can make Dwight/Kobe co-exist is Phil. That's it. They have to different approaches to the game, respond to adversity differently, etc. Kobe is always tuned in; Dwight hasn't been, IMO. If we get Phil back, I'll feel 100% confident. However, I don't believe we'll get him back, and I don't believe there is a coach out there who can make this work, IMO. It's Dwight or Kobe...
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:24 pm

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Lakerjones wrote:DHD, again, while Kobe and Dwight don't make the best bunk buddies of all time, if you read the latest WOJ article he states that the only thing in the way of Dwight resigning is D' Antoni continuing on.

I think everyone, not just Dwight, is done with D' Antoni. As realdeal mentioned - experiment failed. You don't see anyone on the team buying into it. The sooner they admit that it was a mistake the better. Then you can move on. It was another bad hire. But that's how it goes. Learn from it and pick a good two way coach next time - one who can actually fit logically with the personnel as well.


I'm going to say this; the only coach who can make Dwight/Kobe co-exist is Phil. That's it. They have to different approaches to the game, respond to adversity differently, etc. Kobe is always tuned in; Dwight hasn't been, IMO. If we get Phil back, I'll feel 100% confident. However, I don't believe we'll get him back, and I don't believe there is a coach out there who can make this work, IMO. It's Dwight or Kobe...


I'm not there yet DHD. I do agree with you that Phil is the BEST in this business at getting egos like Kobe and Dwight to co-exist. That's just one of many reasons why choosing D' Antoni over Phil was such a completely misguided one. The Lakers should have known better in that regard.

And I think your'e absolutely right - that ship has sailed unless there is a very serious sit down peace pipe meeting between the Buss Family and Phil.

I think Kobe and Dwight could play complementary roles however under other coaches. The D' Antoni hire was doomed for failure to begin with. I'll never fully understand the thinking there. You couldn't even find a worse fit on paper . . . except maybe Dunleavy. :man10:

And Kobe and Dwight aren't going to be playing together forever. It's a short run. But you have to do better than D' Antoni, period. He's not taking them anywhere.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby gcclaker on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:31 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:DHD, again, while Kobe and Dwight don't make the best bunk buddies of all time, if you read the latest WOJ article he states that the only thing in the way of Dwight resigning is D' Antoni continuing on.

I think everyone, not just Dwight, is done with D' Antoni. As realdeal mentioned - experiment failed. You don't see anyone on the team buying into it. The sooner they admit that it was a mistake the better. Then you can move on. It was another bad hire. But that's how it goes. Learn from it and pick a good two way coach next time - one who can actually fit logically with the personnel as well.


I'm going to say this; the only coach who can make Dwight/Kobe co-exist is Phil. That's it. They have to different approaches to the game, respond to adversity differently, etc. Kobe is always tuned in; Dwight hasn't been, IMO. If we get Phil back, I'll feel 100% confident. However, I don't believe we'll get him back, and I don't believe there is a coach out there who can make this work, IMO. It's Dwight or Kobe...

Well, there's another guy I wouldn't mind. Too bad he doesn't want to coach anymore and he runs a somewhat succesful team down in South Beach.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:00 am

^ seriously. Riles would have these jerks clicking for sure.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:19 am

Maybe Sloan? IDK. At this point, the coaching list is so small of potential candidates that can come in and really get through to Dwight/Kobe.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:27 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Maybe Sloan? IDK. At this point, the coaching list is so small of potential candidates that can come in and really get through to Dwight/Kobe.


^^ I've been on the Sloan train for a long time. Would have liked the Lakers to have at least called him before they hired D' Antoni. I thought he was sort of the perfect candidate for this roster. Not sure about going forward as much though. We're getting to the end of the line here with these guys. Maybe a short term contract of one or two years.

Sloan at least brings credibility and a system that can work with the current roster. Things will of course change this offseason personnel-wise with our expirings. But a core of Kobe, D12 and Nash, Sloan could definitely work with.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:29 am

I think Sloan, Shaw, and Jackson would all work fine. Moreso Shaw and Jackson.

I actually think McMillan would be better too.

Hell at this point I think Bickerstaff would be better.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:32 am

I wouldn't have minded Sloan either but Im not sure if hes the right guy for an LA team

Look Phil wouldn't have healed up Pau's foot or forced him to play harder (we saw that in 2011), Phil wouldn't have solved Dwight's FT issues and from getting stripped (its happening in the paint after all so hes getting opportunities in the right attack zone, hes not coming through enough and making teams pay). Phil isn't gonna make Nash play Defense any better and neither is he gonna turn Morris, Meeks into great reliable role players. Could we have won more games with Phil? Absolutely but we would still be hanging around the 6th to 8th seed with those huge issues still lingering. There are things on the team that are out of MDA's control or whoever the coach might be. Huge need for shooters and perimeter depth and young legs on the team right now regardless of who the coach is we'd still be getting outplayed out there.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby Ludachris on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:54 am

There's still a long way to go this season. This team may not make it to the playoffs, but there's still a chance we might see improvement, which that alone would help everyones' attitudes. We might all feel better about Dwight, and Dwight might feel better about staying. I just want to see better play and effort all around, even if this is the wrong system and/or coach for the team.
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Re: Lakers fear Dwight Howard will do the Unthinkable

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:59 am

Ludachris wrote:There's still a long way to go this season. This team may not make it to the playoffs, but there's still a chance we might see improvement, which that alone would help everyones' attitudes. We might all feel better about Dwight, and Dwight might feel better about staying. I just want to see better play and effort all around, even if this is the wrong system and/or coach for the team.


I hope we do see improvement. Though, nothing has led me to believe that will change this season. I think the playoffs are a pipe dream at this point, IMO. We have to start planning for next year...
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