Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:04 pm

Lakers legends rip Howard
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LOS ANGELES -- Dwight Howard’s old avatar on Twitter used to be a picture of him in a Los Angeles Lakers uniform with the retired jerseys of George Mikan, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Shaquille O’Neal hanging behind him.

Howard was expected to follow the Lakers’ Hall of Fame lineage of centers but decided to leave L.A. less than a year after joining the team to sign with the Houston Rockets last week.

The two living legends in Howard’s old avatar, which he immediately changed after committing to Houston, have not taken the news well.

On Monday, Abdul-Jabbar chimed in on Twitter and Facebook and wrote, “Dwight Howard is a perfect example of the fact that ‘potential has a shelf life.’ Laker fans should be patient and allow Mitch & company to prepare themselves to do some serious work in the free agent market.”

O’Neal, while speaking at the Daytona International Speedway on Saturday, said he wasn’t surprised by Howard’s decision to take less money to leave Los Angeles for a smaller market.

"It was expected," O’Neal said. "We've all been in L.A., and not a whole lot of people can handle being under the bright lights. Everybody wants to do it, but when you get there, there are certain pressures. I think it was a safe move for him to go to a little town like Houston. That's right, little town. I said it."

Both O’Neal and Abdul-Jabbar were critical of Howard even before he decided to leave the Lakers.

Abdul-Jabbar told the San Francisco Chronicle last month he only met Howard once and that Howard expressed an interest in learning from the former Lakers captain but he never again reached out to Abdul-Jabbar. “He's charming, he's charismatic, very nice young man,” Abdul-Jabbar said. “Maturity-wise, he doesn't get it."

When Abdul-Jabbar was asked about teaching Howard the sky hook, he said, “At least he'd have an offensive move.”

“He gets the ball on offense, oh my God, he doesn't know what to do. It's usually a turnover, people come and take the ball from him or tie his arms up. Offensively, he doesn't get it. Hasn't made any progress. We (the Lakers, when Abdul-Jabbar was a special assistant coach) played them in '09, and when I saw him this past season, he was the same player.”

O’Neal was just as harsh about Howard when he was on ESPNLA 710 last month.

“He's too nice," O'Neal said. "I'm a connoisseur of giggling and playing and all that and making you laugh and playing with the fans, but when I cross that line, I'm ready to tear your face off. I don't care who it is. You could put one of my aunts or uncles out there, and I'm going to give him these elbows in their chest and I'm going to throw it down in their face. That's what you have to do. ... He's just too nice. If I was him, I would get into the same mood I was in."


This probably should go into the Coward thread, but I think it's important for Lakers fans to realize the people that are responsible for a lot of the success of this franchise saw nothing great in Dwight. And definitely not franchise player material.


And not reaching out to the great KAJ after meeting him once? Thank you for leaving, you did the LAKERS a favor.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby noobiew on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:10 pm

I've always liked Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, wish we could hire him to be our assistance coach to help developing our young players.

And hope Coward to get banned from the LA Lakers forever.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby TIME on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:11 pm

Everyone expected Shaq to be critical, but those Kareem comments = :wow:
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:11 pm

He never reached out because he never respected nor embraced our history. Lakers fans know what greatness looks like; we've had Kobe for the last 17 years showing that to us with his dedication, leadership, & sacrifice. And older Lakers fans have seen the likes of Magic, Kareem, West, Baylor, etc. Dwight just doesn't have that in him. He never did. I'm glad we found out, and we parted ways. That was the best thing that could have happened...
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby gcclaker on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:15 pm

Abdul-Jabbar in 2009 called Howard's game "primitive" and now he says he's still the same player? Ouch. Wonder what The Stilt would have said had he still be around.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby denimPortugal on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:17 pm

Kareem! :jam2: :man10:
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby Weezy on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:17 pm

Abdul-Jabbar told the San Francisco Chronicle last month he only met Howard once and that Howard expressed an interest in learning from the former Lakers captain but he never again reached out to Abdul-Jabbar. “He's charming, he's charismatic, very nice young man,” Abdul-Jabbar said. “Maturity-wise, he doesn't get it."

When Abdul-Jabbar was asked about teaching Howard the sky hook, he said, “At least he'd have an offensive move.”

“He gets the ball on offense, oh my God, he doesn't know what to do. It's usually a turnover, people come and take the ball from him or tie his arms up. Offensively, he doesn't get it. Hasn't made any progress. We (the Lakers, when Abdul-Jabbar was a special assistant coach) played them in '09, and when I saw him this past season, he was the same player.”


Ouch, harsh, and IMO accurate. I said it the day he left and was talking about how he can work with and learn from Hakeem and McHale. If he didn't learn from Ewing in Orlando, and if he didn't bother to work with Kareem here, what makes anyone think he'll truly work with Hakeem? He seems to be content with his game how it is, living off his athleticism. I agree with Kareem, he hasn't improved offensively at all, and had he learned anything from Kareem it would have at least given him one move other than his quick spin turn and face, then bolt to the hoop. It must almost sadden Kareem to see big men today not bother to get taught some serious skill by some of the most skilled big men of all time, and be content with just what they are. Also, I've only seen Kareem play in YouTube videos and in replays of the "NBA's greatest games" on ESPN classic or NBA tv, and just based on that he would have absolutely schooled Dwight.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby gcclaker on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:23 pm

^Olajuwon would schooled Howard. Robinson...Ewing...Parish. Hell, Perkins bodies him up out of the box and Howard has no counter when he can't get within five feet of the rim. Oh...and O'Neal would have DESTROYED him. It is tough for Howard to progress since he has no touch or fluidity to his game. I think he has reached his potential.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby Ariza3 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:28 pm

counting this summer Howard will have worked woth Hakeem 3 times. and we have yet to see ANYTHING from it. Kareem is right. he just doesn't get it.
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Postby Aonex on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:29 pm

Ariza3 wrote:counting this summer Howard will have worked woth Hakeem 3 times. and we have yet to see ANYTHING from it. Kareem is right. he just doesn't get it.


Meanwhile I bet his 3 point and half court shots are improving.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:32 pm

KAJ with the "killing me softly" approach...... Still teaching... :bow:
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby 432J on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:32 pm

gcclaker wrote:^Olajuwon would schooled Howard. Robinson...Ewing...Parish. Hell, Perkins bodies him up out of the box and Howard has no counter when he can't get within five feet of the rim. Oh...and O'Neal would have DESTROYED him. It is tough for Howard to progress since he has no touch or fluidity to his game. I think he has reached his potential.

they can keep saying he's got potential but he's been in the league for almost a decade now, when is he going to get to that level? more than likely never at this point. even TYLER ZELLER did a good job of shutting dwight down last season, tyler zeller folks!

i got a ton of crap for saying 6 or so months ago but it's true
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:33 pm

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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby gcclaker on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:38 pm

432J wrote:
gcclaker wrote:^Olajuwon would schooled Howard. Robinson...Ewing...Parish. Hell, Perkins bodies him up out of the box and Howard has no counter when he can't get within five feet of the rim. Oh...and O'Neal would have DESTROYED him. It is tough for Howard to progress since he has no touch or fluidity to his game. I think he has reached his potential.

they can keep saying he's got potential but he's been in the league for almost a decade now, when is he going to get to that level? more than likely never at this point. even TYLER ZELLER did a good job of shutting dwight down last season, tyler zeller folks!

i got a ton of crap for saying 6 or so months ago but it's true

Nah...I was intrigued more of what Howard brought on the defensive side of the ball to cover for an aging backcourt and a slower Gasol. I couldn't trust him with the rock on a crucial possesion UNLESS it was a dunk or points off a lob. Asking Howard to create off one on one coverage was...well, clunky. When Howard was in Orlando, he whined how Stan Van Gundy NEVER featured him more. Now we know, don't we?
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby Balance&Options24 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:38 pm

He's more of a Mutumbo.... I just don't see his offensive game getting better.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:44 pm

CAP :bow:
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:49 pm

432J wrote:
gcclaker wrote:^Olajuwon would schooled Howard. Robinson...Ewing...Parish. Hell, Perkins bodies him up out of the box and Howard has no counter when he can't get within five feet of the rim. Oh...and O'Neal would have DESTROYED him. It is tough for Howard to progress since he has no touch or fluidity to his game. I think he has reached his potential.

they can keep saying he's got potential but he's been in the league for almost a decade now, when is he going to get to that level? more than likely never at this point. even TYLER ZELLER did a good job of shutting dwight down last season, tyler zeller folks!

i got a ton of crap for saying 6 or so months ago but it's true


:man10: You caught crap!

There are 30 pages of crap I caught in the epic Bynum/Howard thread for pointing out his lack of game on the offensive end...... And I was still conceding that Howard was the better overall player... :man10:

It's all in the rear view mirror now and we all survived the divisive Howard crap it seems....
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby unpossibl1 on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:51 pm

They are right. Dwight truly embraced the "Coward" nickname by running away from the Lakers to the much lower expectations in Houston. He knows in Houston he can mess around and not be held accountable, but in LA he gets called out for his crap. A life-defining challenge was placed in front of him and rather than step up to it like a man he ran away. LeDouche did the same thing to a lesser degree.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby 432J on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:51 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
432J wrote:
gcclaker wrote:^Olajuwon would schooled Howard. Robinson...Ewing...Parish. Hell, Perkins bodies him up out of the box and Howard has no counter when he can't get within five feet of the rim. Oh...and O'Neal would have DESTROYED him. It is tough for Howard to progress since he has no touch or fluidity to his game. I think he has reached his potential.

they can keep saying he's got potential but he's been in the league for almost a decade now, when is he going to get to that level? more than likely never at this point. even TYLER ZELLER did a good job of shutting dwight down last season, tyler zeller folks!

i got a ton of crap for saying 6 or so months ago but it's true


:man10: You caught crap!

There are 30 pages of crap I caught in the epic Bynum/Howard thread for pointing out his lack of game on the offensive end...... And I was still conceding that Howard was the better overall player... :man10:

It's all in the rear view mirror now and we all survived the divisive Howard crap it seems....

i got tons of crap for saying that tyler zeller was a better center than dwight was
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honestly, who gives 2 craps about dwight at this point? let the coward have his fun
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby charvin on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:51 pm

I guess his shelf life has expired. This year, he wasn't as athletic (also the league caught up a little bit in this area) so his offensive game was exposed and exposed big time. His offensive moves are rather predictable, always trying to do a running sweep as his first go-to move.

Good job, Kareem, be honest and don't coddle the guy.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby Tobias Funke on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:52 pm

KAJ showing no mercy.

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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby gcclaker on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:53 pm

Balance&Options24 wrote:He's more of a Mutumbo.... I just don't see his offensive game getting better.

Mutombo was better at the free throw line. Plus he keeps the ball in play when he registers a block.
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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby gill on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:53 pm

When Abdul-Jabbar was asked about teaching Howard the sky hook, he said, “At least he'd have an offensive move.”


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Re: Lakers Legends Rip A Frightened Coward

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:59 pm

But but but .... he's younger and athletic. Kobe's time is over. Kobe needed to pass him the torch. Where is ole (oh never mind) anyway???
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Postby gcclaker on Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:01 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:But but but .... he's younger and athletic. Kobe's time is over. Kobe needed to pass him the torch. Where is ole (oh never mind) anyway???

Uuummm...yeah...then Howard will get stripped, it falls and the whole damn place burns to the ground.
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