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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby XXIV on Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:03 pm

I'm glad Henry wants to come back, but I don't really care much for Meeks. Like I've mentioned in the past he struggles playing alongside Kobe, and I think we'll be seeing last season Meeks again.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Barnstable on Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:30 pm

+Henry and -Meeks is a big net win for us next year IMO.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Armani on Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:35 pm

Meeks > Henry, in terms of production this year. I really get the feel that Meeks is a contract player, though. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he levels off next season. He doesn't have the same kind of drive/winning attitude that X has, so it makes sense to let Meeks go and bring X back. Kobe will play ~30 MPG, so X can easily get 15+ MPG next season.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Barnstable on Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:39 pm

Armani wrote:Meeks > Henry, in terms of production this year. I really get the feel that Meeks is a contract player, though. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he levels off next season. He doesn't have the same kind of drive/winning attitude that X has, so it makes sense to let Meeks go and bring X back. Kobe will play ~30 MPG, so X can easily get 15+ MPG next season.


In terms of production,he can score, but Meeks is maybe the single worst defender we have on the team. He gives up as much or more than he gives scorring. He's fools gold. Any team that wants him is welcome to him IMO.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:13 pm

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Armani wrote:Meeks > Henry, in terms of production this year. I really get the feel that Meeks is a contract player, though. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he levels off next season. He doesn't have the same kind of drive/winning attitude that X has, so it makes sense to let Meeks go and bring X back. Kobe will play ~30 MPG, so X can easily get 15+ MPG next season.


In terms of production,he can score, but Meeks is maybe the single worst defender we have on the team. He gives up as much or more than he gives scorring. He's fools gold. Any team that wants him is welcome to him IMO.


Henry - Opposing team PPG................Holds opposing players to 14.5 PER
On court - 107.8 ppg
Off court - 112.8 ppg

Henry - Lakers PPG
On court - 105 ppg
Off court - 103.9 ppg

Meeks - Opposing team PPG.............Holds opposing players to 19 PER
On Court - 113 ppg
Off court - 107.3 ppg

Meeks - Lakers PPG
On court - 103.5 ppg
Off court - 105.5 ppg

Meeks has definitely improved this season offensively without question, but it hasn't translated into a gain for the team on either end of the court.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:08 pm

I'm not sure what those fancy numbers mean but I do know that Meeks is a floor stretching threat to make 3's and it in the top 5 to 8 best shooters at his position and that X can get to the hoop for a guy his size better than most. The two of them make an Allstar on offense.

Defensively they both give effort. Meeks is horrible and lacks any discipline and understanding of how to position ones self on defense. X is flatfooted most of the time and lacks technique on defense but does seem to have a natural feel for it more so than Meeks.

I think that's what that fancy math stuff says above but I'm an old out of touch grumpy guy....... so who knows.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Apr 05, 2014 7:28 am

Doc Brown wrote:
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Armani wrote:Meeks > Henry, in terms of production this year. I really get the feel that Meeks is a contract player, though. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he levels off next season. He doesn't have the same kind of drive/winning attitude that X has, so it makes sense to let Meeks go and bring X back. Kobe will play ~30 MPG, so X can easily get 15+ MPG next season.


In terms of production,he can score, but Meeks is maybe the single worst defender we have on the team. He gives up as much or more than he gives scorring. He's fools gold. Any team that wants him is welcome to him IMO.


Henry - Opposing team PPG................Holds opposing players to 14.5 PER
On court - 107.8 ppg
Off court - 112.8 ppg

Henry - Lakers PPG
On court - 105 ppg
Off court - 103.9 ppg

Meeks - Opposing team PPG.............Holds opposing players to 19 PER
On Court - 113 ppg
Off court - 107.3 ppg

Meeks - Lakers PPG
On court - 103.5 ppg
Off court - 105.5 ppg

Meeks has definitely improved this season offensively without question, but it hasn't translated into a gain for the team on either end of the court.


I don't buy those particular numbers. Keep in mind that Henry was like the first domino to fall before our team got raped by the injury bug. Henry put up most of those numbers when everyone else was still healthy. Meeks has had to endure the whole season.

Also, Meeks started most games this season so those opponent PER numbers were against the other team's starters as opposed to Henry who saw more time against backups.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:24 am

Ok so let's go by the eye test. Who is the better defender?
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:09 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Ok so let's go by the eye test. Who is the better defender?


I'd say it's fairly close. Most people focus just on the time the opposing player has the ball and call that "defense".

X has the athleticism and the length to be good but is flatfooted and absolutely atrocious off the ball...

Meeks is atrocious on the ball however typically in decent position off the ball. He gives up the back door (no-homo) quite a bit but rotates pretty well actually.

If we had a Larry Brown type of guy both of them have potential to be decent overall defenders IMO....

MDA's idea of defense is a higher shooting %...
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby cthroatgtr on Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:00 pm

Not sure when this turned into Meeks, Henry discussion but...

As late as the preseason I was ready for Meeks to go away. But since then he has surprised me. His ball handling improved. He has been taking the ball to the hoop and actually finishing. He leads the teams in steals. All around his game has improved. You can tell he is working on his game and his weaknesses and improving them. Players that get better are worth keeping around. It is the ones that stay the same you probably need to let go.

Henry on the other hand could be great. But I am not sure he'll ever finish a season. His game reminds me Corey Maggette a lot, but far more inconsistent and injury prone. Much like Meeks I want to keep players that keep improving, I am also very leery of players that are always hurt. Henry is a young guy and continues to miss large chunks of seasons. That isn't a one time thing, that will be his career. He is constantly throwing his body into other players so that is going to happen. This year worth the risk but not sure I can count on him to stay healthy.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:24 pm

Could be that X is injury prone, but MDA as head coach makes it hard to determine that. Our blessed coach plugs guys into the game like they're inhuman shooters who never break down. IMO he's a big reason we have so many injuries of late. I won't officially bring up the Kobe injury again.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:13 am

The Thunder are indeed paying into the revenue-sharing system, rare for such a tiny market, but they’re slated to make nearly $29 million in profit when everything is netted out. That’s the fifth-best projection in the league, trailing only the Lakers ($100.1 million), Bulls ($61 million), Rockets ($40.7 million), and Celtics ($33.1 million). Again: This memo does not capture the complete financial picture for any organization, but between this estimated profit and the general escalating value of all NBA franchises, it’s fair to take these numbers into account when debating the Thunder’s decision to trade James Harden and duck the luxury tax. Grantland - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.ffJFr4MI.dpuf


Holy cow, the Lakers! They end up with that huge profit despite contributing a league-high $49 million to revenue-sharing. The league’s revenue-sharing is complex, with payouts and contributions tied to all sorts of variables — market size, profitability, earnings benchmarks, and other stuff. A few teams, including the Lakers and Knicks, play in markets so large they are disqualified from ever receiving revenue-sharing payouts. Grantland - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.ffJFr4MI.dpuf

I'm not even sure that's micro-news, but I didn't want to start it's own thread.

DAMN. In the worst season in Laker history they still made more money than anyone else in terms of upfront profit. DESPITE the profit sharing crapfest that was designed to hurt us.

Two things:
1. I wonder how this compares to previous years before the CBA.
2. That's one strong freaking brand. Hopefully they share this with certain other Free Agents and point out: we can make you a boatload of money.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby lotus on Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:26 am

They are on a gold mine. I wonder how much they could get if those sold the franchise today. The clippers high selling price was an anomoly by most accounts, but I bet the Lakers could legitimately get that same amount without the special circumstances experienced by the clippers.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Aonex on Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:40 am

Knowing this, it still amazes me that Stern intentionally tried to cripple the league's biggest money maker.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby laakers on Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:51 am

^Not cripple us, help someone else. Clearly we don't need CP3 to make money
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby lotus on Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:04 am

Aonex wrote:Knowing this, it still amazes me that Stern intentionally tried to cripple the league's biggest money maker.

The other way to look at it is that the Lakers could afford to take a "hit" more than any other team. So, you can help the less fortunate at the Lakers expense and still cause no serious damage.

And for the record, I'm ok that we didn't get CP3. However, I do wonder if he and D12 would have worked out.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Aonex on Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:07 am

In retrospect, sure, but I imagine raking in $100 million in profit in one our worst seasons ever is a surprise to everyone. Also, a Lakers team in championship contention could probably make even more.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:07 am

I am absolutely NOT okay with the way the League f***ed us out of Paul. That was utterly unacceptable. From OUR perspective they tore us down to build up a pretender.

Did it hurt us financially? Not yet. Did it hurt us in terms of our basketball product: abso-f***ing-lutely.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby unpossibl1 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:15 am

therealdeal wrote:I am absolutely NOT okay with the way the League f***ed us out of Paul. That was utterly unacceptable. From OUR perspective they tore us down to build up a pretender.

Did it hurt us financially? Not yet. Did it hurt us in terms of our basketball product: abso-f***ing-lutely.


This x1000. Stern couldn't let the Lakers land a superstar right after the new CBA was signed, which was designed to ensure all owners made a profit and prevent the Lakers from reloading. He specifically said that the league wouldn't interfere and then decided to break his word in order to screw the Lakers and help prove that parity exists in the NBA by having the lowly Clippers could land a superstar.

Fans of other teams consistently say that Laker fans need to let this go, stop whining, move on, etc. I guarantee you if Stern had done this to a team with less haters out there (like the Wolves, Grizz, or whoever) then fans league-wide would have been appalled by it. The Lakers have a winning tradition though so it was brushed off as though it was simply natural that LA should have to suffer.

In my mind every ounce of good that Stern did as a commissioner was erased with that one decision, and he can never be forgiven for it.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:21 am

If the Spurs had a trade in place that was reversed by Stern, the League would have exploded. But it was the Lakers and everyone assumed we'd be fine, we'd bounce back.

That trade was indirectly or directly responsible for where we are now. It caused the awkwardness with Gasol (supported by Kobe's love for him). It indirectly lead to us forcing the Howard situation and not having Paul made that marriage toxic. It indirectly lead to us settling for Nash which cost us valuable assets. It pretty directly lead to Odom's personal collapse. It lead to all of this frankly embarrassing "Clippers are better than the Lakers" talk around the city. The only reason that's true is because Stern destroyed us to build up a racist piece of **** scumbag.

I'll never forgive that veto. I'll never let it go. It destroyed so much of what Mitch and Jim and Jeanie had tried to build. It tarnished the Lakers just in time for Dr. Buss to pass away watching his team flounder.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby LakersN4 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:34 pm

therealdeal wrote:
The Thunder are indeed paying into the revenue-sharing system, rare for such a tiny market, but they’re slated to make nearly $29 million in profit when everything is netted out. That’s the fifth-best projection in the league, trailing only the Lakers ($100.1 million), Bulls ($61 million), Rockets ($40.7 million), and Celtics ($33.1 million). Again: This memo does not capture the complete financial picture for any organization, but between this estimated profit and the general escalating value of all NBA franchises, it’s fair to take these numbers into account when debating the Thunder’s decision to trade James Harden and duck the luxury tax. Grantland - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.ffJFr4MI.dpuf


Holy cow, the Lakers! They end up with that huge profit despite contributing a league-high $49 million to revenue-sharing. The league’s revenue-sharing is complex, with payouts and contributions tied to all sorts of variables — market size, profitability, earnings benchmarks, and other stuff. A few teams, including the Lakers and Knicks, play in markets so large they are disqualified from ever receiving revenue-sharing payouts. Grantland - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.ffJFr4MI.dpuf

I'm not even sure that's micro-news, but I didn't want to start it's own thread.

DAMN. In the worst season in Laker history they still made more money than anyone else in terms of upfront profit. DESPITE the profit sharing crapfest that was designed to hurt us.

Two things:
1. I wonder how this compares to previous years before the CBA.
2. That's one strong freaking brand. Hopefully they share this with certain other Free Agents and point out: we can make you a boatload of money.

Was coming to post the same thing.

Lakers, Bulls, Rockets, Celtics, Thunder Lead NBA In 14-15 Profits
Jun 30, 2014 12:47 PM EDT


The Los Angeles Lakers are projected to make $100.1 million in profit for the 13-14 NBA season, comfortably the best in the NBA.

The Chicago Bulls are second at $61 million, followed by the Houston Rockets ($40.7 million), Boston Celtics ($33.1 million) and Oklahoma City Thunder ($29 million).

The Lakers have a huge profit despite contributing a league-high $49 million to revenue-sharing.

The New York Knicks are expected to take a net loss of $3.5 million due to $27 million in revenue-sharing contribution and paying a large luxury tax bill.

The San Antonio Spurs, Utah Jazz and Denver Nuggets finished sixth, seventh and eighth, respectively, in net profits.

The Brooklyn Nets will post a loss of $144 million for the season.

Via Zach Lowe/Grantland
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Weezy on Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:34 pm

I agree, Stern was a slimy little rat. Regardless of whether you like Chris Paul or not, it's the principle of the matter. He screwed us because he could, and people looked the other way real quick because it was the Lakers and they were happy to see things not go our way for a change. To see the league stick it to us for once when they felt like the league was always helping us.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

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Re: Lakers Micro-News

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