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Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:20 pm

John Ireland today on 710 ESPN said that they Lakers, contrary to common belief, have FOUR MIT analytics on staff. Those four are consulted about every decision, every roster move, every trade involving their roster. When John asked why this hasn't been made public like many other franchises the reply was: we do things behind closed doors here, we don't need to advertise everything.

Also today on 710 ESPN John said he asked people within the organization about why Steve Nash was even allowed to play in his 10th game and the response was quick:
- The Lakers are allowed to give him the choice between retirement or playing, but ultimately it's up to Nash to make the decision. They CANNOT force him to retire.
- The Lakers and Steve were of course knowledgeable about the 10 day rule. It was Nash's decision to play and try to contribute to the team that way.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby TIME on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:47 pm

The MIT thing is interesting but not shocking. I remember reading somewhere that Jim Buss is a number cruncher.

Even though it puts the team in a position of disadvantage, I'm glad they handled the Nash 10 game thing the way they did. It's classy to let him decide and that kind of stuff has to have some value in the eyes of other players.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:51 pm

I thought the first was good to post because I know there's more than a few fans that think we're far behind in that department. Most NBA teams run numbers now in some form and it wasn't clear if the Lakers did. Apparently they very much do run the numbers.

And I agree from the Lakers' perspective they did the right thing. I'm more mad at Steve than at anybody else. It was his decision and in Game 9 out 10 he hurt himself. He had an out. He had every reason NOT to do this and he did it anyway. Now we're going to have to pay for it.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:53 pm

MIT Junior College....didn't know they had one of those
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby XXIV on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:18 pm

It seems they had no choice but to do the right thing. The Lakers couldn't try and persuade Nash to retire in the slightest because they'd get sued. They can bring up the situation but they can't tell him what to do.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:19 pm

Considering the last 3 seasons have been a travesty, it's not to say that we've made our fair share of moves that tried to put us in contention, but are now in a position to reload before the repeater-tax rule and hold on to a draft pick in a deep draft.

- CP3 Trade (although vetoed)
- Nash / Dwight
- Cleared books by 2014
- 2014 Draft Pick looking to be Top 5. Possibly another pick through a deal.
- Kobe's 2 year deal. (Happens to be when Durant is a free agent)

These guys think ahead, and have all the knowledge of the business and NBA. I never thought our Front Office were in the dark. Situations are analyzed and the Busses are given options and make the final say.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:26 pm

Dave McMenamin was on ESPN radio tonight. I caught a little bit in my car, but I turned it on halfway and didn't get the full context of the interview, but I did get to hear a few things. If anyone else wants to fill in feel free.

Trade Deadline
- Lakers goal is to get under the tax line. Whether that be Pau or a combo of Blake/Kaman/Hill, that is the plan.
- They ideally want to get a 1st round pick in this draft, but would settle for a TPE/2nd rounder for the latter players.

Players for Next Season
- Farmar seems like he's a "lock" to come back next season. He gave up 3 mil to come back and the Lakers like what he has to offer, just needs to get healthy.
- He was asked about Marshall, but didn't seem like the Lakers were high on him for some reason. He talked about his team option for next season and how the Lakers will "probably" pick that up
- Meeks looks to be coming back if it's at the right price.
- Hill/Kaman, if MDA is still here, they will not.
- The guys mentioned above are the only players he spoke about, the rest were summed into their will be a lot of new faces next year.

Nash
- He said Nash thinks this 4 day break will be enough time to recover and get back on the court. I exited my car laughing on that one.

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Mitch: "If you’re asking me if we’ll pick up somebody that will help us this year, I think that’s probably not the approach we’re taking."
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LAL GM Mitch Kupchak spoke to a few of us pregame. Implied that if LAL make a move at the deadline, it'll be to address 2014-15 & beyond.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby karacha on Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:49 pm

I am laughing reading most of those things, starting with Marshall.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:34 pm

Ireland must have misheard "MIT" with "ITT".
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby LooN3y on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:36 pm

lol number crunchers? look at what happened to the grizzlies after they hired john hollinger.


might be hollinger whos obviously evaluates talent by stats, or the CBA that made them trade rudys horrendous contract.

but i never liked coaches/gms/analysts that go by stats. i mean look at all the coaches that go by stats, they're all horrible.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:36 pm

RIght. If Mitch saw Marshall alongside the road, he would "probably" pick him up. :man10:
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby thkthebest on Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:44 pm

Lakers were the only NBA team without a single representative at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference last year. Half the league had SportVU cameras in 2012. Lakers didn't. And since the Lakers JUST started 2 years ago, they're way behind the rest of the league anyway.

Not surprised one bit.

Teams that have embraced analytics? Spurs, Heat, Thunder, Rockets, Mavericks, etc.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby MC on Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:06 am

MIT hires lmfao ................ hire all the stat jockeys in the world...... still isn't basketball knowledge.

numbers can be very important BUT they are only good in context ....... that generally takes some knowledge within something. Unless Buss has the personnel that actually know a lick about basketball all the numbers in the world won't help him. The key are the basketball guys, the guys that can make actual sense of the numbers as it relates to situation and form reasonable predictions...

Too many basketball principles get lost if one relies too much on statistical analysis..... things like the swing pass or "hockey" pass, box out principles, defensive spacing within team driven concepts, vision.....these type of things aren't shown in any measurements or data analysis...... data is limited to it's environment as well....what type of system is run, does certain skill sets translate to what your team concept is....no data can tell you this, only a good feel and understanding for the game can, data can enhance the way a guy with a feel can operate but it cannot help people without that core feel in the first place...... all that creates for those without feel is a false sense of assurance which really equates to a slightly better guess.

Time will tell if Jim has what it takes to direct a ship basketball wise..... his personal touches are now all over the way the Lakers operate...... I hope to goodness sake I'm wrong about the guy, I do think he's one of these fantasy guys enamored with numbers and that approach....I personally think it's gotten him in trouble with these atrocious coaching hires.... I just hope he's not so enamored as to relegate something as more simple than actual reality..... respect the sport and those who have a feel for it.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby trodgers on Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:46 am

karacha wrote:I am laughing reading most of those things, starting with Marshall.

This is the kind of s*** I'm talking about. "Probably" pick up Marshall, but we're "high" on Blake and want him back?
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby karacha on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:16 am

Yeah, probably picking up the best passer in the league for 900k. Meh. We could do better.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Slurpee22 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:17 am

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LAL GM Mitch Kupchak spoke to a few of us pregame. Implied that if LAL make a move at the deadline, it'll be to address 2014-15 & beyond.


I don't see anyone giving us young assets for the players who might be available to trade.... so I'm guessing that Mitch is just dreaming.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:07 am

Geez I guess I should have figured this would turn into a bash thread. :man10:

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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby dj vitus on Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:19 pm

MC wrote:MIT hires lmfao ................ hire all the stat jockeys in the world...... still isn't basketball knowledge.

numbers can be very important BUT they are only good in context ....... that generally takes some knowledge within something. Unless Buss has the personnel that actually know a lick about basketball all the numbers in the world won't help him. The key are the basketball guys, the guys that can make actual sense of the numbers as it relates to situation and form reasonable predictions...

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Time will tell if Jim has what it takes to direct a ship basketball wise..... his personal touches are now all over the way the Lakers operate...... I hope to goodness sake I'm wrong about the guy, I do think he's one of these fantasy guys enamored with numbers and that approach....I personally think it's gotten him in trouble with these atrocious coaching hires.... I just hope he's not so enamored as to relegate something as more simple than actual reality..... respect the sport and those who have a feel for it.

Pretty much on point with everything. :jam2: Numbers are a vital tool to the game, but it takes that extra 6th sense and basketball savvy to know how to truly build a great team.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby kray28 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:03 pm

Jimbo was a math major at USC....until he dropped out. :man9:

Yeah, he's a number "cruncher" all right.

As for the "four analysts from MIT" story. It sounds manufactured/embellished to combat the growing perception that Jimbo doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:08 am

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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby abeer3 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:28 am

i don't know who all has TPEs, but i could see hill, blake, and kaman all fetching second rounders for those. each one, in theory, could help a playoff team (with kaman being the least obvious contributor).
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:34 am

Dave McMenamin ‏@mcten 51s
About to hop on with @ryenarussillo and @sedanoespn to talk Lakers and the trade deadline
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Do you expect Pau Gasol to be a Laker after the deadline?
- No. Lakers aren't playing for anything, need to move asset and not let him walk. Don't want to give him multi-year deal going forward.

What is the best fit for him?
- Phoenix number 1 player that makes sense. GM doesn't want to hold all draft picks and need to get a vet. player with one of them. Need to show fans that they are committed to winning and not just tanking/rebuilding. Lakers are better off getting a draft pick than not getting anything at all.

Is Pau actively looking for a trade?
- He wants to stay in LA, but understands the business and knows he probably won't be a Laker going forward anyway. Needs to decide if going to PHX is a good choice for him.

What's the plan to bring Lakers back to contender?
- Use 1st round draft pick, get Kobe back healthy, beyond that it's picking the right free agents. Might need to hold off on signing lesser free agents this offseason and wait for the bigger fish to come available. Look to trade for Love and manage cap space to go after free agents in 2015 and beyond.
- Acquire more assets.

How to use Kobe rest of the year?
- Need to get Kobe out there to show free agents that this team can still be competitive and they should come here.
- Talked about roster next season and said Nash will likely get waived.
- Make themselves an attractive destination by showing cap space and that Kobe is still an elite player in the league.
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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby The Laker Link on Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:45 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Dave McMenamin ‏@mcten 51s
About to hop on with @ryenarussillo and @sedanoespn to talk Lakers and the trade deadline
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Do you expect Pau Gasol to be a Laker after the deadline?
- No. Lakers aren't playing for anything, need to move asset and not let him walk. Don't want to give him multi-year deal going forward.

What is the best fit for him?
- Phoenix number 1 player that makes sense. GM doesn't want to hold all draft picks and need to get a vet. player with one of them. Need to show fans that they are committed to winning and not just tanking/rebuilding. Lakers are better off getting a draft pick than not getting anything at all.

Is Pau actively looking for a trade?
- He wants to stay in LA, but understands the business and knows he probably won't be a Laker going forward anyway. Needs to decide if going to PHX is a good choice for him.

What's the plan to bring Lakers back to contender?
- Use 1st round draft pick, get Kobe back healthy, beyond that it's picking the right free agents. Might need to hold off on signing lesser free agents this offseason and wait for the bigger fish to come available. Look to trade for Love and manage cap space to go after free agents in 2015 and beyond.
- Acquire more assets.

How to use Kobe rest of the year?
- Need to get Kobe out there to show free agents that this team can still be competitive and they should come here.
- Talked about roster next season and said Nash will likely get waived.
- Make themselves an attractive destination by showing cap space and that Kobe is still an elite player in the league.


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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby therealdeal on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:38 pm

Pretty much what we have all been saying, but it's nice to hear it from someone in the circles.

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Re: Lakers Micro-News

Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:40 am

Doc Brown wrote:
Dave McMenamin ‏@mcten 51s
About to hop on with @ryenarussillo and @sedanoespn to talk Lakers and the trade deadline
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Do you expect Pau Gasol to be a Laker after the deadline?
- No. Lakers aren't playing for anything, need to move asset and not let him walk. Don't want to give him multi-year deal going forward.

What is the best fit for him?
- Phoenix number 1 player that makes sense. GM doesn't want to hold all draft picks and need to get a vet. player with one of them. Need to show fans that they are committed to winning and not just tanking/rebuilding. Lakers are better off getting a draft pick than not getting anything at all.

Is Pau actively looking for a trade?
- He wants to stay in LA, but understands the business and knows he probably won't be a Laker going forward anyway. Needs to decide if going to PHX is a good choice for him.

What's the plan to bring Lakers back to contender?
- Use 1st round draft pick, get Kobe back healthy, beyond that it's picking the right free agents. Might need to hold off on signing lesser free agents this offseason and wait for the bigger fish to come available. Look to trade for Love and manage cap space to go after free agents in 2015 and beyond.
- Acquire more assets.

How to use Kobe rest of the year?
- Need to get Kobe out there to show free agents that this team can still be competitive and they should come here.
- Talked about roster next season and said Nash will likely get waived.
- Make themselves an attractive destination by showing cap space and that Kobe is still an elite player in the league.


great recap Doc, thank you
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