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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:42 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:^^Lamar's been out of shape for 2 years..... and he hasn't been injured or otherwise impeded from being in shape. That's a mental issue. He's "playing out the string" and hangin' with the celebs. He want's to be in LA for obvious reasons..... and none of them have to do with basketball.

As for Lamar being better than Hill.... who care's if he brings a little more? I don't think he can anyway but let's say he can..... next year is a year for rebuilding, developing and getting better. Lamar isn't going to do any of those things. The odds of him being better than the last two years are very slim IMO. Age and disinterest have basically retired him..... he's just hanging on for the cash.

If Hill can develop more in starters minutes that is better than putting Lamar out there just to get a few extra people in the seats IMHO.

First lets be real there's no question lamar will give you more, he's just better and more durable you can't question his metrics or his ability to get on the court and play minutes in comparison.

I really think people are overlooking things. Yes he ain't in the same shape, buy in Dallas he was the backup SF to Marion. As a clipper he truly was Jordan's backup and used as a defensive big ala Kenyon as he played more with Blake.

To say he can't bring more under dantoni playing a point forward role at PF like he played under Phil, in miami, and how Diaw was used in Phoenix is short sided. Lamar closed the all star break to season end playing better than Clark, he literally played better as the year went on and improved from the year before while logging more minutes and games than hill has ever held up to. He would cost a fifth the money and improve the team, it's no argument that you logically should be against that. You want the youth to learn how to win from a good glue guy, a champion, a gold medalist, and arguably the second best ever pf for the lakers behind Mikkelson at the vet min especially when Pau's beat play of his career was with him.


:man10: I CAN question a lot of things about Lamar.... I have been for several posts in this thread. Short sighted is not really looking at what he's become the last two seasons and believing that a system that you have hated and a coach you have hated can now revive his career back into the player we saw 3 years ago. If you remember correctly he stunk in the playoffs his last season here pretty bad as well under the God of coaches..... So now MDA's system is the answer. :man10:

It's my contention that he's done. We "sold" at just the right time with him.

His mental approach is far more important than what offense he plays in or how many games he plays..... If he mentally still wanted to play he would be in shape year round.... he'd be performing at a much higher level. 39% shooting for a guy that had been shooting around 50% for several years in a row is evidence enough that his desire is gone. Add to that the weight and age and he's never going to be that player we saw 3 years ago ever again.

Next year is a lost year..... we all know it...... he knows it. Here's the thing that's telling IMO. If he is interested in winning he'd go back to Miami or sign with the Clips..... not even consider the Lakers. He wants to be in LA for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball and he will be here next year whether or not he's playing basketball...... because his focus in not on basketball. If he can get someone to pay for it then he can make some money while not being focused on basketball. Lamar couldn't even make through an entire season focused in his prime when he was on a championship team.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Armani on Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:11 pm

Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Helljumper on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:19 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:Plain matter of fact is, done or not, he is BY FAR the best of what I left available IMO. Regardless of if they are SOLD or not, I really don't see us getting more than what he gave LAC last season (4 points, 6 boards, 2 assists, block, steal in 20 minutes per) plus he gives us guaranteed chemistry and a familiarity with the team and popularity and loyalty with the fan base.

People need to realize that the last two seasons his minutes have been drastically less than what he is used to. Dallas tried to use him as Shawn Marion's back up at the 3 (NOT the right role) and LAC used him as a Reggie Evans defensive big type role, again not the right type of utilization of his skill set.

If we give him 32-35 minutes per game, he can give us 10 and 10, with like 4 assists, 1.5 blocks and 1.0 steals, plus versatility at the 4 and memories of glory past for one season before we rebuild...all at the 1.4 million dollar minimum contract...honestly, what is NOT to like at this point??? He is 33, not 38.

The ONLY reason I wouldn't like this is if his heart isn't in it anymore, but I HAVE TO believe he would be rededicated and motivated if we gave him a chance to start again, and to maybe earn another decent sized contract from someone after the season (think the MMLE or MLE) if he proved himself still effective in the right role.


This pretty much sums up my thoughts.

Odom has sucked the past few years but that kind of drop off just doesn't make sense for a player like him whose game is based on abnormal skill at his size. The only thing holding him back has been his role and motivation. It seems to me like a return to the starting line-up for us, playing alongside guys he's won wars with, should be able to fix both of those issues.

If not, no big deal. Absolute worst case, he gives us the same level of production he gave the Clips last year ... in which case I'd still rather have him over signing another D-League/Summer League scrub to take his minutes.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Snakell Beast on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:28 pm

Helljumper wrote:If not, no big deal. Absolute worst case, he gives us the same level of production he gave the Clips last year ... in which case I'd still rather have him over signing another D-League/Summer League scrub to take his minutes.


Not to mention the fact that the best way to motivate him is to give him a starter's role again, and let him audition for one more decent contract. Kobe and Lamar, and Pau, are friends. They've been through the fire together. I know Kobe and Pau, and Nash as well, could get the most of what Lamar has left. If he poops out, we dump him after the season and move on.

I want to watch Lamar play with this team, not someone I don't know (who will be out of the league in a few seasons, if not the next season...ala Derrick Caracter) It's just more entertaining, more dramatic and has more potential for surprising people.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:56 pm

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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:08 pm

ahhh..... ^^^ there we go..... 1 more nail in the coffin of Lamar not coming back courtesy CL :man10:
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby live and die in LA on Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:30 pm

Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


Maybe your joking but the 2013 version of Lamar Odom isn't the difference between 50 wins and hoping for the 8th seed.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Armani on Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:46 pm

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Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


Maybe your joking but the 2013 version of Lamar Odom isn't the difference between 50 wins and hoping for the 8th seed.


Right, except he won't be the same in LA. He's familiar with this cast, and his offense will take strides forward. Assuming a resurrection, I can easily see Odom being the difference between a .500 ball club to a 50 win one. It's not like he has lost his abilities on help defense and rebounding. The guy was still a pretty big net + on the defensive end last season.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:22 pm

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Helljumper wrote:If not, no big deal. Absolute worst case, he gives us the same level of production he gave the Clips last year ... in which case I'd still rather have him over signing another D-League/Summer League scrub to take his minutes.


Not to mention the fact that the best way to motivate him is to give him a starter's role again, and let him audition for one more decent contract. Kobe and Lamar, and Pau, are friends. They've been through the fire together. I know Kobe and Pau, and Nash as well, could get the most of what Lamar has left. If he poops out, we dump him after the season and move on.



You must not be in a management position or have kids.... the bold part above is pure fantasy in motivating people. Pout.... demand trade..... not agree to even discuss alternatives..... threaten to be disruptive.... get traded.... get out of shape and suck huge WHEN IN THE FINAL YEAR OF A DEAL..... get traded again because you turned another franchise against you.... suck huge again at the 3rd team in 3 years.... AND WHAT HE NEEDS IS A STARTING JOB ON THE MOST HISTORIC FRANCHISE IN BASKETBALL!.... :man10:
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:26 pm

Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


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50 wins!? Kobe won't suit up until about December... he won't be "Kobe" again until 2014/15 if ever again. Just how do we win 40 games next year much less 50? Did you not watch what we looked like without Kobe?

I"ll be happy if we finish over .500 We will suffer a lot of injuries because we still have no bench and we will have to play guys like Nash and Pau waaaaaay too much. Any intestinal fortitude we had as a team is gone in MWP and Kobe for most of the season. No toughness, no closer and a bunch of players who have not been that good at staying healthy or consistent.... Lamar freaking Odom is not the difference in this team.

What's next?.... If we can get Ariza we'll be in the finals?.... :bang:
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:32 pm

50 games is what it's going to take to get an 8th seed. The West is that good this season. Odom isn't that big of a difference maker for that.

I'd love to have him back on the team, but what's the point of signing these one year deal vets.

We are in a down year and need to take chances. Farmar/Johnson/Young/Harris fit the bill of what the Lakers want this year. A bunch of young guys with something to prove, on cheap deals, in the hopes of reaching their potential. Let's just hope they do and we get a discount from them the following year when it comes to building a championship squad.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:49 pm

I will admit I was kind of excited about having Lamar come back when this news first came out; now, I'm not so thrilled. I would rather go in the direction we're in. Sign cheap available young talent and hopefully you can get 1-2 to stick and be contributors to a championship level team.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby live and die in LA on Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:24 pm

Armani wrote:
live and die in LA wrote:
Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


Maybe your joking but the 2013 version of Lamar Odom isn't the difference between 50 wins and hoping for the 8th seed.


Right, except he won't be the same in LA. He's familiar with this cast, and his offense will take strides forward. Assuming a resurrection, I can easily see Odom being the difference between a .500 ball club to a 50 win one. It's not like he has lost his abilities on help defense and rebounding. The guy was still a pretty big net + on the defensive end last season.


He's familiar with only Kobe, Pau, Farmar and Blake (if he survives). Maybe if Phil was here I would say we could see a rejuvenation but we know what happened there.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Armani on Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:25 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


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50 wins!? Kobe won't suit up until about December... he won't be "Kobe" again until 2014/15 if ever again. Just how do we win 40 games next year much less 50? Did you not watch what we looked like without Kobe?

I"ll be happy if we finish over .500 We will suffer a lot of injuries because we still have no bench and we will have to play guys like Nash and Pau waaaaaay too much. Any intestinal fortitude we had as a team is gone in MWP and Kobe for most of the season. No toughness, no closer and a bunch of players who have not been that good at staying healthy or consistent.... Lamar freaking Odom is not the difference in this team.

What's next?.... If we can get Ariza we'll be in the finals?.... :bang:



I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. His +/- and on/off numbers revealed pretty big impact during that time period. Odom was the 3rd best player on the title teams and went from 6th man of the Year to a complete scrub. This never happens. The drop off he experienced was absurd and clearly had to do with the mental aspect of the game. So no... if he gets anywhere near that level of 08-11 play, it's not too hard to see a lineup of Nash/Kobe/Young/Odom/Gasol win 50, even if Kobe isn't as great as last year (probably still puts up 25/5/5, anyway). Great spacing, cohesiveness, and chemistry. We lacked pretty much all of that season.

Without him, we're weak up front. Jordan Hill isn't a 30 MPG player, and Kaman is at best a backup caliber center at this point. So we'll be a borderline 500 ball team.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:36 pm

Armani wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


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50 wins!? Kobe won't suit up until about December... he won't be "Kobe" again until 2014/15 if ever again. Just how do we win 40 games next year much less 50? Did you not watch what we looked like without Kobe?

I"ll be happy if we finish over .500 We will suffer a lot of injuries because we still have no bench and we will have to play guys like Nash and Pau waaaaaay too much. Any intestinal fortitude we had as a team is gone in MWP and Kobe for most of the season. No toughness, no closer and a bunch of players who have not been that good at staying healthy or consistent.... Lamar freaking Odom is not the difference in this team.

What's next?.... If we can get Ariza we'll be in the finals?.... :bang:



I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. His +/- and on/off numbers revealed pretty big impact during that time period. Odom was the 3rd best player on the title teams and went from 6th man of the Year to a complete scrub. This never happens. The drop off he experienced was absurd and clearly had to do with the mental aspect of the game. So no... if he gets anywhere near that level of 08-11 play, it's not too hard to see a lineup of Nash/Kobe/Young/Odom/Gasol win 50, even if Kobe isn't as great as last year (probably still puts up 25/5/5, anyway). Great spacing, cohesiveness, and chemistry. We lacked pretty much all of that season.

Without him, we're weak up front. Jordan Hill isn't a 30 MPG player, and Kaman is at best a backup caliber center at this point. So we'll be a borderline 500 ball team.


Wait..... Odom went from a 6th man on a team that was swept out of the playoffs TO the defending Champions and sucked wind. He was a massive disappointment in that run as well. He and Pau were nonexistent in that final series. So he was already falling quick when ha left. He went to Dallas with everything to prove and fell flat..... Then on to LAC and more of the same. Overweight, disinterested and losing his athleticism..... He's done.

As for your prediction..... I've bookmarked the post. That lineup you mentioned will play less than 40% of the season together if we're lucky.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:00 pm

Rooscooter wrote: Overweight, disinterested and losing his athleticism..... He's done.

As for your prediction..... I've bookmarked the post. That lineup you mentioned will play less than 40% of the season together if we're lucky.


I'm bookmarking your "he's done" post too, in case Odom does sign on with us. Also, how is the 40% contention any BETTER (probably worse or, best case IMO, equal) with Jordan Hill starting at PF???
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:12 pm

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Rooscooter wrote: Overweight, disinterested and losing his athleticism..... He's done.

As for your prediction..... I've bookmarked the post. That lineup you mentioned will play less than 40% of the season together if we're lucky.


I'm bookmarking your "he's done" post too, in case Odom does sign on with us. Also, how is the 40% contention any BETTER (probably worse or, best case IMO, equal) with Jordan Hill starting at PF???


It isn't..... Odom's days of being a difference maker are over. Hill has 5 or 6 years left and can benefit with more time. It's a lost season..... Why not try and develop players for the future over clinging to a past that won't repeat?

Here's the real sauce here.... Everyone knows what's going on in his head is what's important.... We've had our interest for a month now.... If he wanted to be here he'd be here.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:52 pm

LO has mentally checked out for 2 seasons when it comes to B-Ball ... he's completely done .
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby kenzo on Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:14 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:LO has mentally checked out for 2 seasons when it comes to B-Ball ... he's completely done .

Blasphemy :man2: He'll make us a 50 win team... at least that's what i heard :man9:
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:25 am

Armani wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Armani wrote:Disappointed we couldn't sign him. We would've definitely won close to 50 next season with improved chemistry and LO's defense/rebounding. Oh well, maybe gun for 8th seed at best now.


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50 wins!? Kobe won't suit up until about December... he won't be "Kobe" again until 2014/15 if ever again. Just how do we win 40 games next year much less 50? Did you not watch what we looked like without Kobe?

I"ll be happy if we finish over .500 We will suffer a lot of injuries because we still have no bench and we will have to play guys like Nash and Pau waaaaaay too much. Any intestinal fortitude we had as a team is gone in MWP and Kobe for most of the season. No toughness, no closer and a bunch of players who have not been that good at staying healthy or consistent.... Lamar freaking Odom is not the difference in this team.

What's next?.... If we can get Ariza we'll be in the finals?.... :bang:



I don't know why this is so hard to grasp. His +/- and on/off numbers revealed pretty big impact during that time period. Odom was the 3rd best player on the title teams and went from 6th man of the Year to a complete scrub. This never happens. The drop off he experienced was absurd and clearly had to do with the mental aspect of the game. So no... if he gets anywhere near that level of 08-11 play, it's not too hard to see a lineup of Nash/Kobe/Young/Odom/Gasol win 50, even if Kobe isn't as great as last year (probably still puts up 25/5/5, anyway). Great spacing, cohesiveness, and chemistry. We lacked pretty much all of that season.

Without him, we're weak up front. Jordan Hill isn't a 30 MPG player, and Kaman is at best a backup caliber center at this point. So we'll be a borderline 500 ball team.

If he was just a couple years younger I'd agree with you, but at 33 I think odds are what we are saw at the end of the season for the Clips is the most LO is going to offer anyone over the rest of his career.. Sadly, that's still good enough to make him our best PF or at worst 2nd best by a slight margin.. You see young guys put on weight & lose their focus like Lamar did & not be able to recover, but at 33 it's almost certain that there's no chance his body is able to get back to where it was in his final season with us. I do think he has the potential to be slightly better for us than he was for the Clips simply because of it being a homecoming & his chemistry with Kobe & Pau.. + the Clips were a much deeper team last season than we are so he would have a bigger role here.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote: It isn't..... Odom's days of being a difference maker are over. Hill has 5 or 6 years left and can benefit with more time. It's a lost season..... Why not try and develop players for the future over clinging to a past that won't repeat?

Here's the real sauce here.... Everyone knows what's going on in his head is what's important.... We've had our interest for a month now.... If he wanted to be here he'd be here.


#1. Odom being "done" at 33 is still better than Jordan Hill IMO. Hill plays 40 games a year and has no jump shot. Hill is also foul prone and a poor free throw shooter. He is also slow moving laterally and not a good man defender. Odom is significantly better in all the areas that would complement this roster and the system we will be running.

#2. Jordan Hill can't "benefit" from more time, any more than Brandon Roy, Andrew Bynum or Greg Oden can benefit from more time. He can't stay healthy, no amount of investment or additional responsibility will change that, besides the fact that the Lakers don't have to choose between the two in the first place...

#3. Lakers FANS have had an interest...there have been NO substantiated reports that the Lakers FRONT OFFICE ever OFFERED Lamar a contract...so Lamar's STATE OF MIND doesn't apply here.

#4. If you think I am arguing that Lamar will be a "difference maker" you are wrong. I consider a difference maker to be someone who makes a SIGNIFICANT difference on the win/loss totals of his team. Lamar won't really make much of an impact on the team's wins or losses, but I do think he will make more of an impact than a player with no jump shot (in D'Antoni's system) who won't play more than 45 games (and probably less than that).

#5. The most important thing to remember, though, is that dumping Hill and Blake gets us under the Luxury tax for this season, so if you want to talk about the future, keeping Hill is much more detrimental to our rebuilding process than Lamar Odom on a 1 year minimum contract. (see the emplay Philly thread)
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:13 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:
#1. Odom being "done" at 33 is still better than Jordan Hill IMO. Hill plays 40 games a year and has no jump shot. Hill is also foul prone and a poor free throw shooter. He is also slow moving laterally and not a good man defender. Odom is significantly better in all the areas that would complement this roster and the system we will be running.


When did Odom become a "Jump shooter" and a good FT shooter? I must have missed something. So the 39% from the field the last two years is magically gone if in a Laker Uniform? Reality tests your comments....

Snakell Beast wrote:#2. Jordan Hill can't "benefit" from more time, any more than Brandon Roy, Andrew Bynum or Greg Oden can benefit from more time. He can't stay healthy, no amount of investment or additional responsibility will change that, besides the fact that the Lakers don't have to choose between the two in the first place...
Really? Hill has that kind of injury history? An overweight/out of shape Odom is superior? I'd rather develop.... and part of that is learning to stay on the court.

Snakell Beast wrote:#3. Lakers FANS have had an interest...there have been NO substantiated reports that the Lakers FRONT OFFICE ever OFFERED Lamar a contract...so Lamar's STATE OF MIND doesn't apply here.
Lamar's state of mind applies to anything he does on the basketball court. Remember walking it in?... That was a championship year and he was lost half the season mentally. When he's focused he still couldn't be the second banana..... at this point he's barely a back-up PF on a team 3 deep at the position. To think that a change of scenery would change that is not really being in touch with his last two years IMO.

Snakell Beast wrote:#4. If you think I am arguing that Lamar will be a "difference maker" you are wrong. I consider a difference maker to be someone who makes a SIGNIFICANT difference on the win/loss totals of his team. Lamar won't really make much of an impact on the team's wins or losses, but I do think he will make more of an impact than a player with no jump shot (in D'Antoni's system) who won't play more than 45 games (and probably less than that).
Again..... I must have missed with Odom developed this touch from the outside. Why do we need a starting PF that is a ball handler? Is Nash just going to be a spot up shooter? Do you not understand the offense? Odom as the facilitator is a Phil thing.... not a MDA thing. Nash will dominate the ball as will Farmar..... they have no other purpose.

Snakell Beast wrote:#5. The most important thing to remember, though, is that dumping Hill and Blake gets us under the Luxury tax for this season, so if you want to talk about the future, keeping Hill is much more detrimental to our rebuilding process than Lamar Odom on a 1 year minimum contract. (see the emplay Philly thread)
What does this have to do with Odom. I fully understand this. There are others we can put in that position. I'd rather have another SF over another PF for MDA's system.

Finally, you completely missed responding to my post regarding your assertion that Odom needs a starting slot on the Lakers to revive his game. Is there a basis in reality for that claim?
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby charvin on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:13 pm

Roo - For his #5 point, he wants to argue that is yet another reason as to why Odom is better than Hill - lower salary cap number. (I'm not saying I agree)
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:36 pm

charvin wrote:Roo - For his #5 point, he wants to argue that is yet another reason as to why Odom is better than Hill - lower salary cap number. (I'm not saying I agree)


Agreed.... but what does it have to do with Odom specifically? I'd take a shooter at the 3 or 2 to support small like-ups out there before I'd put Odom in a position to take jump shots at the 4.

It's my contention that I would poach someone off a summer league roster to fill the cheap slot over Odom. He's a known quantity and likely not a motivated one. Getting a hungary player out there is a "lost season" that can at least provide energy over ambivalence has to count for something. Add to that the possibility that we find a real role player to boot and I can see a lot of pluses to going to someone other than a long time Vet.

It seems that the idea of bringing Odom back means that we are somehow closer to a deep run in the playoffs. Actually the best thing for us is not make the playoffs next year. Am I saying we should "tank"? not is the least but nonetheless it is the best outcome to next season other than a Championship. Odds are that we will not win a championship and I think even the most optimistic among us agree there.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:39 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:LO has mentally checked out for 2 seasons when it comes to B-Ball ... he's completely done .


^ I think so, too. I like LO and would be happy if he came back (but not at the cost of Hill), but I think he's totally done.
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