Rooscooter wrote: When did Odom become a "Jump shooter" and a good FT shooter? I must have missed something. So the 39% from the field the last two years is magically gone if in a Laker Uniform? Reality tests your comments...
No, I am not saying Odom is a GOOD jump shooter or free throw shooter...I am saying he is a better jump and free throw shooter than Jordan Hill, THAT'S IT! As far as his shooting % from the floor, how bad do you think Hill's will be if he has to play the stretch 4 next to Pau and Kaman and shoot 18 footers all game???
Rooscooter wrote: Really? Hill has that kind of injury history?
46.75 games averaged in his career. 29 regular season games played last season. 'Nough said.
Rooscooter wrote: Lamar's state of mind applies to anything he does on the basketball court.
I agree to that, but my argument wasn't about Lamar's state of mind not applying ON THE COURT, it was about your contention that his state of mind was that he didn't want to play for the Lakers. You used an example that doesn't apply, since the Lakers are the ones who haven't offered a contract, not the other way around.
Rooscooter wrote: Again..... I must have missed with Odom developed this touch from the outside. Why do we need a starting PF that is a ball handler? Is Nash just going to be a spot up shooter? Do you not understand the offense? Odom as the facilitator is a Phil thing.... not a MDA thing. Nash will dominate the ball as will Farmar..... they have no other purpose.
Not going to go over your misrepresentation of my statement again. Odom shoots better than Hill, period. As far as Nash and Farmar dominating the ball...not so. Nash proved last year he can't be the guy that sets the table anymore. He is simply not fast or athletic enough at this stage of his career. We went 28-12 with Nash as a spot up shooter, also FYI D'Antoni was the head coach last season, so Steve should definitely operate a LOT as a shooter and less as a creator.
Nash can FACILITATE, but his days of creating opportunities for his teammates, by dissecting the defense, are LONG GONE. Farmar has never been that type of PG. He, as well as D'Antoni, both said as much...that he is more of a 2/1 hybrid. Check out Laker Nation's evaluation of the effect having a ball handler at the 4 has on a team, especially if that 4 can still rebound and defend...something Odom did at a high level once he played into shape last season.
Rooscooter wrote:What does this have to do with Odom. I fully understand this. There are others we can put in that position. I'd rather have another SF over another PF for MDA's system.
Finally, you completely missed responding to my post regarding your assertion that Odom needs a starting slot on the Lakers to revive his game. Is there a basis in reality for that claim?
OK, first, there are NO quality SFs left that would give us more value than Odom at this point. You can prognosticate about some d-leaguer breaking out, but I feel TOTALLY comfortable believing that is more of a fantasy than Odom being SOMEWHAT revived by getting...um, MORE SHOTS AND MINUTES...the lack of enough of which, coincidentally, was the primary reason he seemed "done" (to you anyway, I know better) these past two seasons.
Secondly, I didn't MISS your post...I simply made my argument about the fact that #1. Odom is still in great PHYSICAL HEALTH. Being around his familiar friends and with a larger role, and at only 33 with a light load the past two seasons, he has enough left in the tank to give us close to double what he gave LAC last year, since he will go from 19 minutes and 5 shots to 32 minutes and 10-12 shots.
#2. He will be playing a more natural role next to Pau as a point/stretch 4...instead of a three point shooting 3 or a defensive 4/5. The shots he gets will be more in his wheelhouse, and he will be in more of a rhythm. Odom is a rhythm player. He needs consistent playing time to get going. He isn't a spark plug for 15 minutes per game or a defensive enforcer.
If Odom had any serious injury history, or if he was 36 or older, then I would buy your argument about reality dictating that he is done. My argument addressed the only REALISTIC concern regarding Odom...his state of mind, which IMO will drastically improve if he has a starting role next to his best friends with a chance to not only be relevant again, but to earn one more good sized contract in his career.
You can say I am fantasizing about that, but it's conjecture...you can't have any evidence because you are predicting the FUTURE based on something that can't be measured (a person's thoughts) so pardon me if I feel reasonable and rational in disagreeing with your predictions/assessments.
The End is nigh. Time for a total Cut and Shuffle. Kobe contract was a mistake...time to avoid making more. The future is here, whether we want it to be or not. An era is over, but for the death rattle, and it's time for the cycle to begin anew. Growth and change are scary and painful, but alas...nothing worth achieving comes easily.