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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:48 pm

And frankly Weezy...that is what's funny to me. The Clips don't owe Twan anything in terms of loyalty. Laker fans calling that situation messed up, while we witnessed how we have treated our own is...hypocritical.

Wasted time....maybe we should ask Lakers ownership why they wasted Kobe's time (and for that matter, our time) this last season.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 9:53 pm

I love LO and think if his mind is in the game he can be amazing again. That being said, I loved what Twan brought to this team. I can see why the Clips would want LO and are waiting on him. Of course if I was Twan I'd bolt somewhere else.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Weezy on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:00 pm

I just don't see it as the same thing V. Kobe played his heart out like he always does for us, it is what it is as they say. I don't think the Clippers owe Jamison anything either, I just think that's bad business, what the Clippers are known for. That doesn't make anything our FO has done look less bad, it's a totally separate issue, which is really why I don't get why you're even bringing it up. Jim's issues with Phil, and how the LO trade was handled are their own big discussions with stubborn people on both sides.

Lastly I don't mean to sound disrespectful to the great Jerry Buss either, but maybe going to a man getting worse and worse physically and pretty close to death wasn't the best idea for choosing the coach that could affect our future for years to come. I mean Jerry was the best, but in this case who can say if he was truly in his right mind to make that call. If that's the story they will continue to go with as truth, I don't know that it was the best idea to make a big future move like that with a shortsighted purpose. Again, trying very hard not to be disrespectful, but I feel like this is something that needs to be brought up now that time has passed.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:22 pm

Weez, I think that's where we stand divided. You believe in the official story, while I believe that the MDA hire from a dying man is just a cowardly deflection by Jr.

Mitch in a recent interview states that Nash is old (as if the age didn't give it away) and this is a year after we traded alot of youth (4 draft picks) to get him. Mitch should know first hand at how our roster was built, cause he helped build it...and for him to assume that they would be better served in going uptempo via MDA's system over Phil's system (which previous core players have played in and your key FA asked for) should basically tell you that the official story just doesn't hold weight.

The good Doc went to Mr. Triangle twice...meaning that in good health, he chose to go that route. So on his dying bed, he would rather prefer uptempo over a title winning style....I'm not sure I buy it.

But that is where alot of the fan base stands divided. Some of us believe and some of us choose not to beLIEve the FO's official story.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Weezy on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:30 pm

V, deep down, I don't believe the story. That's the story they are sticking to and Mitch has said it too, so I feel like I kinda have to just go with it and move on. Deep down though I have a hard time believing it for the reasons I mentioned, plus Jeanie saying if she had a say Phil would be coach. Why isn't she sticking to the "'Antoni and uptempo basketball was my father's dying wish" story? Bugs me, but I feel like I have to move on and hope for the best because Jim seems here to stay and our future success lies with him, scary as it is.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Center Court on Thu Aug 15, 2013 10:39 pm

Good, come back to the real LA team and be a steady contributor again.

My guess is that it's a chemistry thing. Everywhere he's been, except Dallas, LO has become a major influence on chemistry. Positive chemistry.

I'd still love LO over Jamison for sentimental reasons but if I were a Clipper fan, I'd much rather prefer Jamison.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:34 am

Jamison can give us more. Lamar can go to the Clips and we get Twan.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:39 am

If he goes to the Clips I hope he goes in FAT again and all the Kardashian crap and his supposed fooling around just keeps staying on page 1 of the tabloids every freaking month.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:03 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
The good Doc went to Mr. Triangle twice...meaning that in good health, he chose to go that route. So on his dying bed, he would rather prefer uptempo over a title winning style....I'm not sure I buy it.


Regardless of the entire story about MDA's signing there were a number of reasons not to hire Phil again..... not the least of which was the fact that we no longer had his style team. Howard and Nash are definitely not Triangle players no matter how much spin the fan base wants to spout. Combine that with a break from the past and a real concerted effort to re-build in a different direction (first CP3 and then Nash) I can see where brining in Phil for a season of just home games would be against all of the Buss's interests long term. Phil's presence would re-focus the team on the Triangle and the front office on getting those types of players again. All of this for what? 2 years at the most?.... He wasn't even that thrilled about coaching road games if the reports were to be believed.... and that's the other side of the coin here.... no one believes anything bad in the press about the Lakers but every word of the Phil saga is believed at face value.

I don't like MDA one bit.... don't like his style nor his approach... but I'm firmly in the camp that Howard used him as a scapegoat to do what he planned on doing all season.... which was leaving. Phil's presence here wouldn't have changed that. Again some here seem to believe Howard only on this and nothing else.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:23 pm

I can't speculate on Howard...but I can speculate on Dr. Buss...we're comparing a 1 year sample size to a 30+ year career.

And what is he primarily known for? Winning. You tell Dr. Buss, you want uptempo or a better shot at a ring, you know he's choosing the latter. Especially if that ring puts us as one of the most winningest franchises in all of the land. There's no doubt he wanted Showtime again, but we're acting like there was never any deviation from the triangle. Phil in his latter years actually encouraged more uptempo because he had the personnel to do that with. Showtime was given to the fans because it was it was what the fans wanted to see in this town...well, the fans wanted to see the triangle again...only this time it never came.

After claiming due diligence in finding a new coach, the Lakers rushed into bringing in MDA, who was on the other side of the states, still recovering from knee surgery. Not only that, but we were 5 games into the season...who else were we competing with for his services? The way that all went down was not very Dr. Buss-like...

And that includes the offseason. Jeanie said it best....the closer wasn't there. With the right people around the situation, which includes the Doc and Phil, I'm sure a marquee free agent chooses to stay AND take the extra guaranteed money. Its really unheard of.

Lastly, if you think about the NBA and just how close knit it is, you can't ignore all the red flags. Nearly every basketball head has nothing remotely flattering to say about Jimmy, yet they gush about Jeanie. That isn't a mere coincidence. The media swings alot of its propaganda, but you can't ignore all the people that were close to the Lakers who have commented on the current status of our FO. You have Jeanie stating that she wasn't part of the decision making process....so you have an ill man, a jaded man and a yes man making the call. The fans once again demanded a candidate. The Doc supposedly picked a guy he has no relationship with and that has never worked under the Laker umbrella over his own soon to be son-in-law. Very peculiar.

I guess this is something we just won't see eye to eye on Roo.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:35 pm

BTW: Seeing how this is the LO thread, Dr. Buss took a lengthy time during the '09 summer in getting proper terms to re-up with LO. That was followed up with another title the season after and a 6th man of the year award the season after that, only to be traded as a salary dump victim for CP3 in the season afterwards. If you look at how that trade was constructed, you didn't even need LO to be involved in that trade for the money to work. Of course, now we know that the Doc fell ill around this time. Salary dumps, mass firings (ie Ronny Lester) and prematurely hiring Brown without even considering Shaw....yep, very peculiar....and not very Dr. Buss-like.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:20 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:BTW: Seeing how this is the LO thread, Dr. Buss took a lengthy time during the '09 summer in getting proper terms to re-up with LO. That was followed up with another title the season after and a 6th man of the year award the season after that, only to be traded as a salary dump victim for CP3 in the season afterwards. If you look at how that trade was constructed, you didn't even need LO to be involved in that trade for the money to work. Of course, now we know that the Doc fell ill around this time. Salary dumps, mass firings (ie Ronny Lester) and prematurely hiring Brown without even considering Shaw....yep, very peculiar....and not very Dr. Buss-like.


Luxury taxes..... Estate taxes..... Looming higher federal and State taxes.... Seems pretty savvy to me for a businessman who is pretty smart. The team as constructed just got swept with Phil.....

I sold out my business about the same time for similar reasons.

Not everything is about your product every minute in business..... He sold on Odom at exactly the right time.... And no... I don't think the trade killed his desire to play......his off the court situation did.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby rydjorker121 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:18 pm

I like Odom still, not just because he was a key cog in our two championships, but because he has subliminal skills (height/passing-ballhandling/defense with his length) that just age gracefully. Yeah, his offense is a complete wreck and has aged horribly, but I've never been an overly huge fan of offense--it's harder for guys to play good defense, and many of them don't get acknowledged so they fall through the cracks and come cheaper. Personally, I thought he was a key component of the Clippers' bench defense last year (their bench defense WAS way better than the starting five defense), and face it--our team has currently comprised BADLY needs defense right now. Especially interior defense, a major weak point with Hill and Kaman there. Odom with his familiarity and his aging-well skills should help, even if he's not completely tuned in.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby LooN3y on Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:24 pm

so, this is not happening?
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby revgen on Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:48 pm

Ryd, if he wasn't having issues in his personal life right now, I'd agree with you.

I just don't think he's mentally fit right now.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby 432J on Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:39 pm

:man10: this is never going to get anywhere
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby revgen on Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:38 pm

^Yep. If he was going to come here, he would have been signed already.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby kidhell on Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:41 am

Just watched 2010 NBA Finals Game 6 and Odom was vital in that victory. I know naysayers are going to say, "that was 3... going on 4 years ago"... but his length, skill set, and basketball smarts (go and watch that game and see his strong decision making), would be a major plus for this upcoming Lakers team. It's not a done deal since he hasn't signed with anyone else yet. We really need Lamar and I hope we get him somehow.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:02 pm

revgen wrote:^Yep. If he was going to come here, he would have been signed already.

maybe the Lakers are the reluctant ones
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Center Court on Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:56 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
revgen wrote:^Yep. If he was going to come here, he would have been signed already.

maybe the Lakers are the reluctant ones



I doubt the Lakers are aggressive in their pursuit of him but Lamar did this last time he was a free agent. I think it's one of those things where he doesn't mind sitting back and letting things play out. Especially with the way he's been in the media this summer (photog "assault" and cheating rumors) he's probably just trying to step back a bit. Nothing new for LO.

He'll be a Laker or a Clipper. If the Clippers get antsy maybe they just sign Jamison.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby MadMax on Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:37 pm

Welp, this could explain somethings...
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The marriage of Khloe Kardashian and Lamar Odom is in crisis, and TMZ has learned ... the core reason is hardcore drug abuse.

Multiple sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ ... Lamar has had a problem for 2 years. It got so bad, last August Khloe pressured Lamar to go to rehab. Lamar went to a facility in San Diego, but he was so resistant Khloe hired private investigators to secretly stand guard at the rehab place to make sure he didn't leave. The P.I.s stood guard 24/7.

Our sources say Lamar constantly threatened to leave and Khloe made several visits to prevail upon him to stay. We're told after 3 weeks, Lamar left for good.

We're told Lamar actually stayed clean once he left rehab and was able to play well for the Clippers this past season. But when the season was over, sources say Lamar slipped deep back into hardcore recreational drugs.

As for reports that Lamar was cheating recently, we're told Khloe is convinced it happened, and she feels she's been hit with a double whammy ... but drugs are the main problem.

As for divorce ... neither Khloe nor Lamar has contacted a lawyer. As one source put it, "Khloe is more concerned about saving Lamar than ending her marriage."

We're told the situation has become dire. Sources tell us ... within the last 2 days, the entire family staged an intervention, trying to convince Lamar to go back to rehab, but he wouldn't have any of it.

In fact, on Wednesday morning, right after the failed intervention, Khloe threw Lamar out of the house and as you see from the pic (above), one of Lamar's friends is loading Lamar's stuff in his car as Lamar watches.

We attempted to reach Lamar for comment ... so far, no word back.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:39 pm

Poor guy is really messed up. That's too bad...

I wish Jim Buss would reach out to him not as a player, but as a friend.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby revgen on Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:57 pm

Ouch. I knew something was wrong with him. I didn't know it was that bad.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby John3:16 on Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:11 pm

Isn't this strike #3 for Odom? I thought he tested positive twice during his first go-round with the Clips. Strike 3 will get him kicked out of the league for a year. Seriously doubt he can come back after a year off and contribute significant minutes.
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Re: Lakers Reach out to Lamar Odom

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:27 pm

The guy seems to have some daemons... This has the potentialmtomend really badly.....

Hope he can get some help.
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