Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:40 pm

LTLakerFan wrote::man4: Not even camp invite first?? They must really like him.


There is another side to this..... we have no choices and no money to choose anyone else. "Like" is a relative term.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:46 pm

Well, we've found our answer to guarding larger small forwards like KD, Lebron and Carmelo :man10: Scratching my head at this one. But, in Mitch I trust. :patriot:
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Armani on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:51 pm

Undersized PF... probably fits in D'Antoni's offense. It's just a minimum contract. If he fails, no big deal. If he can turn into an athletic Matt Barnes, hell yes.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby trodgers on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:06 pm

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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:27 pm

Doc Brown wrote:What will the significant guarantee be?

And why are we giving guys like Sacre and Harris multiple year deals and turning down other FA's because we didn't want to give multiple year deals?


Let's see for 3 reasons 1. 2014, 2. the luxury tax, and 3. avoiding the repeat tax which we are 7.4 mil over it and we might dump salary to get below that.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:30 pm

Weezy wrote:I don't get it honestly, I didn't see a ton of potential there for an NBA role player. I didn't see him as any better than an Ebanks for example. Why dump one and sign a new version, or why not wait to see what he shows in training camp first? They're both 28 already, but I still liked Hudson and Landry better. If Harris is playing the 4 our PF rotation is a joke with Hill, Kelly and Harris.


So is the rest of the free agent market, and Landry and Hudson might still make the team if we salary dump Blake, Meeks, and Hill away.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lakersyunowin on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:32 pm

this signing, i am underwhelmed. i'd rather see a fat and out-of-shape lamar out there.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby trodgers on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:35 pm

Roo: you've seen him play. What's your take?
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:36 pm

lakersyunowin wrote:this signing, i am underwhelmed. i'd rather see a fat and out-of-shape lamar out there.


No you don't. Thus why the Lakers traded him away the first time.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby trodgers on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:39 pm

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lakersyunowin wrote:this signing, i am underwhelmed. i'd rather see a fat and out-of-shape lamar out there.


No you don't. Thus why the Lakers traded him away the first time.

No, lots of us would.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:56 pm

trodgers wrote:
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lakersyunowin wrote:this signing, i am underwhelmed. i'd rather see a fat and out-of-shape lamar out there.


No you don't. Thus why the Lakers traded him away the first time.

No, lots of us would.


Well he better be in shape then, and also it would mean that Hill gets traded.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:04 pm

trodgers wrote:Roo: you've seen him play. What's your take?


At the WCC level he had a decided advantage most nights. His ball handling was problematic at times. He can shoot out to 20 feet and actually has a mid range game. He will have issues at his position being able to get clean looks without screens etc. at this level. He filled on the same offensive position as Morrision and had the offense tailored to getting him free to shoot.

In a fast paced offense he may have issues keeping up. Few's offense was Triangle light in many respects..... Which is no where near MDA's shoot the first available shot offense.

He came on the scene in a big way and then really didn't progress much....so I'd say he's at his ceiling.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Weezy on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:08 pm

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Weezy wrote:I don't get it honestly, I didn't see a ton of potential there for an NBA role player. I didn't see him as any better than an Ebanks for example. Why dump one and sign a new version, or why not wait to see what he shows in training camp first? They're both 28 already, but I still liked Hudson and Landry better. If Harris is playing the 4 our PF rotation is a joke with Hill, Kelly and Harris.


So is the rest of the free agent market, and Landry and Hudson might still make the team if we salary dump Blake, Meeks, and Hill away.


Why would we dump Blake, Meeks and Hill? :man3: That leaves us with no quality PF, only one backup when Nash goes down (when, not if), and no backup 2. I get that the free agent pool isn't great, but IMO Odom>Harris.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby purp n gold on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:15 pm

It's hard to get mad about someone I know nothing about. If the kid can play, then he can play. We've seen stranger things happen in the league.

With that said, I still don't think we have a starting power forward. I like Hill, I want to keep Hill... but unless Hill's jumpshot got drastically better this offseason, I don't see him being an effective PF in MDA's offense. I think he can play center though.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:21 pm

jadej2 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:What will the significant guarantee be?

And why are we giving guys like Sacre and Harris multiple year deals and turning down other FA's because we didn't want to give multiple year deals?


Let's see for 3 reasons 1. 2014, 2. the luxury tax, and 3. avoiding the repeat tax which we are 7.4 mil over it and we might dump salary to get below that.


Thanks. I didn't know that if we gave guys that actually can play in the NBA two year deals at the same price we are giving guys that can barely scrape together 3 good games in the D League, it would put our luxury tax through the roof.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:30 pm

Weezy wrote:
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Weezy wrote:I don't get it honestly, I didn't see a ton of potential there for an NBA role player. I didn't see him as any better than an Ebanks for example. Why dump one and sign a new version, or why not wait to see what he shows in training camp first? They're both 28 already, but I still liked Hudson and Landry better. If Harris is playing the 4 our PF rotation is a joke with Hill, Kelly and Harris.


So is the rest of the free agent market, and Landry and Hudson might still make the team if we salary dump Blake, Meeks, and Hill away.


Why would we dump Blake, Meeks and Hill? :man3: That leaves us with no quality PF, only one backup when Nash goes down (when, not if), and no backup 2. I get that the free agent pool isn't great, but IMO Odom>Harris.


Why you ask because to avoid the repeater tax that's why, and we are are 7.4 million over the luxury tax so getting rid of those 3 will put us below it. And sign Daye or Shawne Williams make him the backup 3 or 4 and move Johnson to backup 2. So it will be like this

PG Nash, Farmar, Hudson
SG Kobe, Johnson
SF Young, Daye or Williams, Landry
PF Odom or someone else, Harris, Kelly
C Gasol, Kaman, Sacre.

There problem solved and we saved more money in the process because the repeater tax is going to hurt.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:21 pm

I think they decided on Harris over Daye for the 3rd SF role on the roster. I think we still go Odom, so its down to either Shawne Williams or Marcus Landry as the last 4 (Odom is a no brainer for me at this point) whomever plays best in camp/preseason (Landry or Williams) wins that final roster spot.

I think Odom would be an automatic write in for the rotation if he is signed. I think the Lakers are just looking for a commitment from Odom that he will come to camp in shape and that he will give full effort and intensity for the season, and if he can promise that believably, he gets a starting role and the chance to get one more decent contract in his career...I hope that happens.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:29 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:I think they decided on Harris over Daye for the 3rd SF role on the roster. I think we still go Odom, so its down to either Shawne Williams or Marcus Landry as the last 4 (Odom is a no brainer for me at this point) whomever plays best in camp/preseason (Landry or Williams) wins that final roster spot.

I think Odom would be an automatic write in for the rotation if he is signed. I think the Lakers are just looking for a commitment from Odom that he will come to camp in shape and that he will give full effort and intensity for the season, and if he can promise that believably, he gets a starting role and the chance to get one more decent contract in his career...I hope that happens.


I think Hill is going to be traded if Odom is signed.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby The Rock on Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:01 pm

I really cant explain this...maybe we are tanking? haha but why give a 2 year deal. Is the 2nd year guaranteed?

He didnt really stand out in the summer league games. If anything his game is like Josh Powell's
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Ariza3 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:54 pm

Odom is worlds better. rather spend money on him than this guy. I watched the summer league games and nothing special from him was seen....if anything i thought we'd sign Landry as he was the only one worth signing in the summer league team.

really hope this doesnt mean we dont continue going after odom....if we were to begin with. with odom we know what we'll get even if out of shape. signing undrafted no body who wasnt special at all in the summer league to a 2 year deal randomly and prob wont play...idk whats happening
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby kblo247 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:28 am

Logic of cost and benefit. The cost of both Blake and Hill is basically 8mil plus tax. The benefit of them is greatly out sighted by their lack of durability, Blake has stayed hurt, sick his laker tenure and underperformed. Hill for his career hasn't even averaged 16mpg, was hurt when we got him, and missed most last year, its illogical to look at his per 36 numbers when the guy struggles to play 15mpg for a whole season and 20 may put him on a scrap heap while old guys like Odom, Jamison, Martin, Brand are more durable for instance and cheaper.

Cut the dead weight. Sure hill and Blake may give you 30-40 games of solid play but they will also give you 20-30 DNPs because of injury and another 10 or so to find their legs. Its more likely Kobe, Pau, and Nash all play more games than them even coming off their respective injuries because that isn't the norm unlike with Blake and Hill

2nd round picks in the coming draft and two 4M tpes to have next summers free agency would be much more valuable than keeping them on the roster
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:46 am

Ariza3 wrote:Odom is worlds better. rather spend money on him than this guy. I watched the summer league games and nothing special from him was seen....if anything i thought we'd sign Landry as he was the only one worth signing in the summer league team.

really hope this doesnt mean we dont continue going after odom....if we were to begin with. with odom we know what we'll get even if out of shape. signing undrafted no body who wasnt special at all in the summer league to a 2 year deal randomly and prob wont play...idk whats happening


We're over the luxury tax remember and by the way Odom, and Landry can still be on the roster after Jordan Hill is traded for cap relief.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby jadej2 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:47 am

kblo247 wrote:Logic of cost and benefit. The cost of both Blake and Hill is basically 8mil plus tax. The benefit of them is greatly out sighted by their lack of durability, Blake has stayed hurt, sick his laker tenure and underperformed. Hill for his career hasn't even averaged 16mpg, was hurt when we got him, and missed most last year, its illogical to look at his per 36 numbers when the guy struggles to play 15mpg for a whole season and 20 may put him on a scrap heap while old guys like Odom, Jamison, Martin, Brand are more durable for instance and cheaper.

Cut the dead weight. Sure hill and Blake may give you 30-40 games of solid play but they will also give you 20-30 DNPs because of injury and another 10 or so to find their legs. Its more likely Kobe, Pau, and Nash all play more games than them even coming off their respective injuries because that isn't the norm unlike with Blake and Hill

2nd round picks in the coming draft and two 4M tpes to have next summers free agency would be much more valuable than keeping them on the roster


Let's hope so because we don't know if Kobe will start the season yet.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:58 am

Honestly I'm shocked at the type of negative responses in here. :man10:

Anyone watching the summer league saw a guy who looked eager to work hard and that had a good motor. Every game I watched he was after every rebound. He is decently athletic, he is a decent passer, and he showed some development already on his jump shot. I think he's got some room to grow.

Low risk player. The Lakers are stacking up on that type it seems and I'm honestly a fan. I'd rather have Robert Sacres and Elias Harrises then Devin Ebankses. At least the first two have good attitudes.

And more importantly, in Mitch I trust. They probably saw something(s) in him we didn't get to see. I'm far beyond doubting the man anymore. If he liked Elias Harris this much, I'm eager to see what the kid brings to the table.
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