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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:47 am

^^^^ Yeah , not sure why fans are acting like it's the end of the world ... another cheap bet for a transition season
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:14 am

The 2nd year isn't even guaranteed and everyone is still flipping out like he's going to play a large roll on this team moving forward. Haha relax guys
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 2:26 am

Its not the end of the world....but man oh man does it feel like it.

Even with the most minor move, they seem to overcompensate. Lets overcompensate when it comes to the MLE (ie your Devean Georges, Vlad Rads, Luke Waltons)...lets overcompensate when it comes to extensions (now I'm okay with Kobe's pay cause the dude earns it, but Pau is vilified because of his pay and the Lakers really had no business extending Pau so long and so pricey...but I guess they were drunk off that championship champagne).....lets overcompensate when it comes to coaches (ie Rudy T's multiyear deal leading to a buyout, followed by Mike B....and now here's hoping to yet another one in Mike D.)....lets overcompensate on trades....lets trade expirings AND our first round picks for the likes of contracts that never stuck around on our team....lets trade multiple first round picks and give a ridiculously long contract to an about 40 year old PG....

Let's not forget that we''re targeting young players now with the min, since we've traded all our picks away and overcompensated for players....we amnestied Metta, but then again gave him a 5 year full MLE deal...hmm. There's dead weight on this roster and its all due to overcompensation.

Yet, when we pay for what should be titles, we don't want to pony up the dough for a legitimate title shot...choosing to instead, make a rash decision at the middle of the night and call up a man who should have gotten the job to inform him that we are going with the other guy, who hasn't proven ish.

And now, we're taking on all these players who fit this coach's style...yet we have a guy like Kobe on this roster who probably favors another style of play.

If management made it clear that we are thinking of tanking this season so that we can rebuild quicker, that would be one thing....but instead you got Jimmy daring Kobe to come back early...and for what exactly? We're not competing this year with this coach and system.....so why not sign these players accordingly...why give them multiple years?

And if you want to bring in young players on thrift multi year deals, then stop trading away our 1st rounders unnecessarily....stop overcompensating on players that we possibly could have gotten for cheaper.

In a nutshell, with this questionable transaction, the FO has basically shown to the fanbase, that they still got no clue what the hell they're doing or even the direction they want to go in.

This post was a long time coming from me....this ain't about big moves or small moves, its about moves that you can string together to convince the fans that the FO has a plan and has somewhere to take us.

Instead, this FO has successfully divided our fan base and I'm confident that the majority has no faith in what Jimmy is doing and he has yet to do anything to remotely persuade us otherwise.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby trodgers on Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:46 am

Thanks, Roo!

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lakersyunowin wrote:this signing, i am underwhelmed. i'd rather see a fat and out-of-shape lamar out there.


No you don't. Thus why the Lakers traded him away the first time.

No, lots of us would.


Well he better be in shape then, and also it would mean that Hill gets traded.

I doubt it. We don't exactly have big bodies to fill the starting lineup, backup spots, and have injury contingencies.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:36 am

I'm not mad at this signing. He's cheap, young, and if he works out we keep him, and if he doesn't, then we'll cut him. It's a two year deal- The second year is more then likely a team option. If there's a year to do this, then now is the time. During this process of transition, I like the approach; sign young players at a cheap cost and if 1 or more work out, then you've done okay, IMO.

We're not competing for anything this year as it stands. I'm not upset at it. We have gone through down periods of which I've seen; I'm not going to get overly emotional about a signing about a guy who we have the ability to get rid of if he doesn't perform well; on top of that, he's coming very cheap. WTS, nothing ventured, nothing gained. As another poster said, it's not the end of the world...
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby bigdog2013 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:26 am

I am glad we are signing young players for a change and not old players. Maybe we should have done this a few years ago.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lotus on Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:26 am

Vasashi17 wrote:Its not the end of the world....but man oh man does it feel like it...

In a nutshell, with this questionable transaction, the FO has basically shown to the fanbase, that they still got no clue what the hell they're doing or even the direction they want to go in.

You noticed it too? If you want overcompensating, wait until 2014 when it comes time to fill a roster that will have only 2 signed players. Oh, one of those will be 41yrs old, and the other a 2 bit 3rd stringer who is lucky tobe in the league.

The thought that comes to mind regarding overcompensation is, considering the washout of our scouting system, is this the horse speculating skills of the Buss boys being applied to the NBA? In other words, do the Buss boys see something in otherwise throw away talent that the fans and real scouts don't see. Sort of like seeing the next Seattle Slew when we everyone else sees Seabiscuit. (See Sacre and Harris.)

P.S. By the way, very good post
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby noobiew on Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:02 am

Don't know him and reserving my judgment for this undrafted scrub, waiting to read and need to see the scouting report by rydjorker for him first.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:14 am

I'm not ready to judge the signing until we see who we give the last roster spot to/what kind of moves we make going foward.. If this team is an 8th seed, signing Elias Harris instead of Lamar Odom or Shawne Williams isn't going to change that.. Another possibility is we still sign 1 of LO or Williams, after we dump Hill & Blake. If we're trying to get under the tax this season so that we can use our cap space on stars next summer & then not have to worry about the repeater tax stopping us from using our MLE every year or take on salary in a trade to put us over the top, maybe it isn't such a crazy move after all.. Signing a young Foward like Harris makes perfect sense if that's the plan, because you can't depend on LO or Williams as much as Hill, so adding another Foward that might be able to help us could end up being a good idea. Was he the right young guy to sign? Maybe, maybe not.. We'll see.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:39 am

therealdeal wrote:Honestly I'm shocked at the type of negative responses in here. :man10:

Anyone watching the summer league saw a guy who looked eager to work hard and that had a good motor. Every game I watched he was after every rebound. He is decently athletic, he is a decent passer, and he showed some development already on his jump shot. I think he's got some room to grow.

Low risk player. The Lakers are stacking up on that type it seems and I'm honestly a fan. I'd rather have Robert Sacres and Elias Harrises then Devin Ebankses. At least the first two have good attitudes.

And more importantly, in Mitch I trust. They probably saw something(s) in him we didn't get to see. I'm far beyond doubting the man anymore. If he liked Elias Harris this much, I'm eager to see what the kid brings to the table.


^^^^ Yeah ...... but ...... what if it was one of Jimmy's bartender / "scouting" friends that made the call instead of Mitch? :man1:
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:47 am

two threads and several pages for Harris...... my, how far we have fallen..... :man10:

The two year deal is a protectionist measure on our part. It's actually a good thing because if he turns out to be a decent role player we don't have to re-sign him next year for more.... thus keeping a decent player and not spending more of our kitty.... if he sucks you just let him go.

I don't think his game will translate well to this level but he was a primary scorer for a good college team. Worth a try.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:53 am

Vasashi17 wrote:Its not the end of the world....but man oh man does it feel like it.


I stopped reading right there. The end of the world? :man10:

C'mon...

Mitch has done a good job of fielding a team that can compete for the playoffs DURING a rebuilding process. That's fantastic GMing and it should be commended. So he gave a cheap contract to a low-risk, high-reward type player, so what?

We needed youth and athleticism along the perimeter and he goes out and signs Jordan Farmar, Nick Young, Wesley Johnson, and now Elias Harris. We needed shooting and someone who can create their own shots, well the above fit that bill with the exception of Elias Harris whose shot showed signs of improvement in the Summer League.

The end? This is already a season in which we're not likely to compete for a Championship, so why bother getting bothered by this signing? This is a GOOD signing for where our team is at.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:04 am

Vasashi17 wrote:Its not the end of the world....but man oh man does it feel like it.

Even with the most minor move, they seem to overcompensate. Lets overcompensate when it comes to the MLE (ie your Devean Georges, Vlad Rads, Luke Waltons)...lets overcompensate when it comes to extensions (now I'm okay with Kobe's pay cause the dude earns it, but Pau is vilified because of his pay and the Lakers really had no business extending Pau so long and so pricey...but I guess they were drunk off that championship champagne).....lets overcompensate when it comes to coaches (ie Rudy T's multiyear deal leading to a buyout, followed by Mike B....and now here's hoping to yet another one in Mike D.)....lets overcompensate on trades....lets trade expirings AND our first round picks for the likes of contracts that never stuck around on our team....lets trade multiple first round picks and give a ridiculously long contract to an about 40 year old PG....

Let's not forget that we''re targeting young players now with the min, since we've traded all our picks away and overcompensated for players....we amnestied Metta, but then again gave him a 5 year full MLE deal...hmm. There's dead weight on this roster and its all due to overcompensation.

Yet, when we pay for what should be titles, we don't want to pony up the dough for a legitimate title shot...choosing to instead, make a rash decision at the middle of the night and call up a man who should have gotten the job to inform him that we are going with the other guy, who hasn't proven ish.

And now, we're taking on all these players who fit this coach's style...yet we have a guy like Kobe on this roster who probably favors another style of play.

If management made it clear that we are thinking of tanking this season so that we can rebuild quicker, that would be one thing....but instead you got Jimmy daring Kobe to come back early...and for what exactly? We're not competing this year with this coach and system.....so why not sign these players accordingly...why give them multiple years?

And if you want to bring in young players on thrift multi year deals, then stop trading away our 1st rounders unnecessarily....stop overcompensating on players that we possibly could have gotten for cheaper.

In a nutshell, with this questionable transaction, the FO has basically shown to the fanbase, that they still got no clue what the hell they're doing or even the direction they want to go in.

This post was a long time coming from me....this ain't about big moves or small moves, its about moves that you can string together to convince the fans that the FO has a plan and has somewhere to take us.

Instead, this FO has successfully divided our fan base and I'm confident that the majority has no faith in what Jimmy is doing and he has yet to do anything to remotely persuade us otherwise.



Not far off IMO.... I still don't see this as an entirely "Jimmy" problem. Mitch has been good at the mega deal but his constant passing on good role player talent and signing some questionable players for ridiculous terms has been going on since 2004.

This signing for example..... Harris played in a system very similar to the Triangle that could hide his lack of ball handling....... so we sign him when no one else would to a two year deal into a system that is predicated on everyone being a very good ball handler..... Mitch has a mold for the type of player he likes and doesn't like. While Nate Robinson isn't my favorite player.... imagine if two years ago we had added him.... imagine if we had coughed up another measly 1.3M and gotten Beasley.....

This new era needs a new philosophy in how we get and evaluate players. I like what Mitch has done on the big moves but the smaller ones are not very good and when we get a decent player on the bench we seem to let them go in favor of more reaches. Hill was a complete luck out.... we backed out of a deal over a few a little money and dumped Fisher.... I'm convinced that no one had a clue that Hill would be anything other than a buy-out at the end of the year.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby basketboy on Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:13 am

Rooscooter wrote:The two year deal is a protectionist measure on our part. It's actually a good thing because if he turns out to be a decent role player we don't have to re-sign him next year for more.... thus keeping a decent player and not spending more of our kitty.... if he sucks you just let him go.


so basically protection to keep him from pulling an earl clark.. makes sense actually lol.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby rydjorker121 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:52 am

My projections hated him, but I think they're somewhat wonky and need to be fixed a little bit to account for 2-point shooting effectiveness. Because Harris, in spite of many other flaws, at least has that. Actually, going in-depth into our summer league roster, I actually liked him the most out of our three college guys (the other two were Snaer and Boynton; yeah, I know, not much competition).

I know a lot of people have been name-dropping Matt Barnes, and it could be an OK comparison: Matt was also a four-year college player, undersized PF, rebounding instincts. But Barnes is a huge anomaly: he worked his tail off. There was no way, based on his college work, that you would ever think that he would become a three point binger with really good passing ability on top of the good rebounding and finishing. But somehow, everything fell together because he really developed them. Now, Harris has a similar frame, a similar mindset, so I'm not saying it won't happen, but from his college work I thought more Thaddeus Young. He's only two years younger than Young, but Harris strikes me as an inside-finisher with rebounding ability and reasonable ability to defend, working around his lack of handles as a PF. That's precisely why I can't think of Barnes--the handles. But Young's not a bad guy to aspire to become, so hopefully he works around his undersized PF frame and creates a similar niche role.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby revgen on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:02 pm

^The issue with Barnes is that he originally was a football guy. Then he decided to switch and become a basketball player. Hence why his basketball skills developed later in the pros. IMO Barnes didn't just improve because he worked his tail off, the potential to be a solid NBA player was there all along.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:17 pm

I remember Barnes damn near killing a Laker girl during his 1st pre-season games with us. Got into one of his usual dust ups with someone near the base line and they landed right on top of one. That woulda sucked. :man10:
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby rydjorker121 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:42 pm

Yeah, Barnes' football background helped--also that on the court, he's just super tough. Some would say fake tough guy, but he'll dish out hard fouls, piss off referees and get in the head of the guy he's guarding. That's a huge part of defense.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:54 am

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Not everyone dismisses the importance of the NBA's Summer League.

Thanks to his strong showing in Las Vegas, the Los Angeles Lakers have agreed to a two-year contract, which includes a "significant" guarantee for 2013-14, with versatile forward Elias Harris.

With Metta World Peace, Antawn Jamison and Earl Clark all plucked from Mike D'Antoni's rotation, Harris has the chance to become a recognizable face in "La La Land" next season. He might face an uphill battle for meaningful minutes, but he could become the budget addition the cash-strapped Lakers need.

His size (6'7", 240 pounds) makes the small-forward spot his most likely permanent home, but the former Gonzaga star has a hybrid hoops background that makes his definitive future hard to pin down.





Path to the NBA

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A German native, Harris has spent time with both the country's junior and senior team in international play, where he shared the floor with new Lakers teammate Chris Kaman.

His introduction to U.S. hoops came at the University of Gonzaga in Spokane, Wash., where he spent four seasons as a member of the Bulldogs.

It didn't take long before he looked destined for stardom. With size, strength and well-rounded skills, Harris often looked ahead of his American peers.

But after his brilliant debut, his stats started to plateau. The NBA was never removed as a possible destination, but it was no longer the guaranteed landing place it had looked like just a few short seasons before.

By the Numbers: Harris' Gonzaga Career
PPG FG% 3PT% RPG
2009-10 14.9 54.7 45.1 7.1
2010-11 12.4 51.7 35.3 6.0
2011-12 13.1 50.2 41.4 8.5
2012-13 14.6 50.1 17.0 7.4
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Still, his resume was strong enough to earn him a spot on the Lakers summer league squad. There he flashed a relentless motor and soft hands, both of which bolstered his stock as a productive, hustling role player:


He didn't quite light up the Sin City scoreboard, but he did manage 10.2 points per game on 44.7 percent field-goal shooting. His 5.6 rebounds per game were second on the team, trailing only Lakers sophomore, and Harris' former teammate at Gonzaga, Robert Sacre.

Had he fared better than 18.8 percent from beyond the arc, Harris' contract might have been fully guaranteed. Still, he made enough plays off the dribble to convince the front office that he was worth another look as a potential fit as the stretch forward in Mike D'Antoni's system.





Key to Sustained Success

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The Lakers have neither the funds to secure a star nor the locker-room leverage to take on another superstar presence (see: Dwight Howard's short-lived "nightmare," as reported by USA Today's David Leon Moore, tenure).

Harris doesn't need to play beyond his limits. While he spent his freshman season at Gonzaga without a ceiling, he all but installed the skylight in his final three seasons in Spokane.

While D'Antoni would love to see Harris' three-point stroke resuscitated, the fact that he's shot just 11-of-63 since the start of his senior season from distance suggests that it's a weapon best left out of his arsenal. There's still time to rediscover his stroke, but no reason to rush it back into his repertoire.

Instead, he needs to take advantage of the talents that are currently clicking. That means taking bigger defenders off the bounce or overwhelming smaller ones on the block.

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Harris may have carved out his NBA path on the offensive end, but the opposite side may hold his key to a prolonged career.

L.A. was a subpar defensive group last season (106.6 defensive rating, 20th in the NBA, according to Basketball-Reference.com). Its top defensive win share producers have either moved on (Howard, 4.8, and Metta World Peace, 4.8) or will begin next season on the sideline (Kobe Bryant, 2.6). The Lakers need Harris to be a defensive presence, regardless of which forward spot he fills.

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The Lakers also have a sizable void on the glass. For all of his headaches, Howard still snagged a league-best 12.4 rebounds a night.

Kaman will help, but he's only averaged double-digit boards once in his 10-year career. He also failed to match his career average 8.0 rebounds per game in each of the last three seasons.

Here's where Harris can leave his biggest imprint. After corralling 18 percent of available defensive boards in his first two seasons at Gonzaga, he tracked down better than 21 percent in both his junior (24.4) and senior (21.4) seasons, according to StatSheet.com.

With his length and bulk, he should be able to bully opposing glass eaters.



A Name for Lakers Fans to Remember?

In the short-term, Harris is probably best served flying under the radar. The Lakers need a glue guy, someone who does all of the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet.

If Harris is doing his job correctly, he'll be hard to identify for the casual fan. That means not conceding clear driving lanes, not getting bulldozed off the glass and certainly not attempting to replace World Peace's 412 three-point attempts.

Over the long haul, though, Harris has the makeup of a player Lakers fans can grow to love.

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Given his international experience and four-year stay in the West Coast Conference, he won't be fazed by the bright lights of the NBA. He should hit the ground running if he can squeeze his way into D'Antoni's rotation.

The Lakers have always housed a superstar roster built to match its Hollywood background. As more of their brightest lights keep dimming—Bryant, Steve Nash and Pau Gasol aren't getting any younger—they need someone willing to do the dirty work.

NBA hustlers aren't often bred at the collegiate level. If a player is talented enough to make it to the league, he's usually surpassed the typical glue guy's statistical output somewhere around the first TV timeout.

Harris has the skills to be that kind of player. He can impact the game in a variety of ways, chases down loose balls and errant shots and has a body built to withstand the punishment inside the paint.

Whether he can find that hustler's mindset is a question unanswered at this stage. His ability to do so will shape this chapter of his lasting legacy and determine if his basketball saga is a bestselling novel or a forgettable short story.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:02 am

And by the way, although he has shot terribly both during his senior season at Gonzaga and in the Summer League, he shot over 40% from distance two out of three years in college. The third season he shot 35%, so his shot exists somewhere, he just has to rediscover it.

Personally, I'm not as down on this signing as everyone else is. I have no dreams that he'll be in our rotation or that he'll replace the production of anyone who was in the rotation (the article above references Earl Clark).

My hope is that he can develop into a guy like Jared Dudley. A guy who will go out there and give you a ton of effort defensively, make the right decisions offensively, and give you good solid minutes. Not this season, but maybe next season. He's got an NBA body for sure, he's played internationally and among United States Collegiate competition so he's well seasoned.

All in all I think he'll be better than some of you guys are expecting and I have a feeling he'll be a really good practice/training body all season long.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:39 am

this is the piece we need...i now have us projected at 67 wins
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:50 am

With all of our inflexibility, we have no other choices at this point; in fact, it was surprising to see all the negativity on this board. I usually get more when I browse LG, and surprisingly enough, they were more optimistic about this signing. He's got some upside. He has a mid-range game that extends to about 20 feet; he's a decent post player with an underrated ability to pass the basketball. He moves well off the ball, is semi-athletic, and finishes well around the rim.

Defensively, is where he needs work; he's a better team defender then isolation defender. He doesn't move quick enough laterally to stay with the SF's and is too small to guard the PF's. The coaching staff (Kurt) will have to develop a scheme where he's not left alone defensive on an island and give him a defined responsibility on defense so hopefully he don't get burned. I think that's possible. I have a feeling he sticks around beyond this year. He has a chance to become a decent rotation player...
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Helljumper on Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:59 am

Any word on if he was maybe offered a guaranteed spot somewhere else which is why we locked him in instead of just going for the camp invite? That'd make me feel better about this, but regardless, I don't think it's that bad of a signing. Sounds like a hard-working kid who has a versatile skillset and the tools to be a good defensive player. I don't expect much from him, but he can't be worse than Ebanks/Morris. I've heard the argument that we shouldn't use last year's terrible signings of Ebanks/Morris to justify reaching for someone like Harris, but realistically, why not? People need to understand that every team is going to have a couple of players on the roster that will never crack the rotation barring injury. Sure, it would be cool to have some proven NBA talent at every spot in the roster, but any solid NBA players out there willing to come for the minimum (who exactly is out there still BTW?) aren't going to come to warm the bench and clean up garbage time during the entire season.

Filling those spots with young kids who don't really have a spot elsewhere in the league but are hungry to prove they belong seems like it would work better, especially when considering the impact they can have on practice. For example, earlier in the summer I advocated bringing in Maggette (I guess this is a bad example then, because nobody agreed with me lol). Now it would make no sense because most of his minutes would be taken by Young/Johnson and I doubt that an older Maggette whose content collecting a minimum paycheck just to live in LA again would be D-ing guys up and pushing them hard in practice.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lotus on Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:01 pm

Sounds like they are trying to describe Harris as a Rick Fox part 2. They focus on his size, but I don't see much about how tough he actually is. Doesn't matter too much if he has the body to bang inside and take advantage of smaller SF if he doesn't have the mindset to use it. Case in point, Luuuuuuuke.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:18 pm

I'd take me a little combination of Fox and Matt Barnes with a lot of Kurt's mindset from his days thrown into the mix. Always, always wanted him to get to McHale after his cheap bleep clothesline of Kurt high in the air, instead of being tripped on the sideline. Just to see what he would have done. Who the eff even bounces up like he did from 7 feet prone in the air to the floor. :man4: He was going to rip Lurch a new one. We'd have had him suspended or course.

Harris needs some Ron Ron in him too and he will get to know Kobe's intensity every day in practice and in the weight room.

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