Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:02 pm

I'm with HJ on this.

This is classic low-risk, high-reward. Maybe medium-reward.

Is he the answer to our prayers? Of course not. But he's a young guy who wants to be in the NBA and he wants to prove himself. He has the tools and we saw him work his tail off in the Summer League. I think he'll do some good for us as a part of the team. Whether that's as a part of the team who actually plays is a different story.

And no, I haven't heard if he had offers elsewhere or not.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby trodgers on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:07 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:this is the piece we need...i now have us projected at 67 wins

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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:09 pm

At the moment, no I don't love the signing, but after giving it time, and reading articles like this one, I do now agree with the thinking behind it

http://landolakers.com/2013/07/27/elias-harris-makers-more-sense-than-lamar-odom/

WHY ELIAS HARRIS MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE THAN LAMAR ODOM

Posted by Brian Kamenetzky on Jul 27, 2013 in Lakers Analysis, Lakers News, Opinion, San Antonio Spurs

I didn’t watch him play at Gonzaga, saw virtually no Summer League ball and in those moments I did wasn’t paying particularly close attention to any single player. Still, it’s easy to support the Lakers’ decision to sign Elias Harris to fill the league-mandated 13th spot on the roster. (I’m already counting 2nd rounder Ryan Kelly, currently unsigned, as the 12th guy.) For what it’s worth — and it may not be much given the loose relationship between SPL ball and NBA performance — those reviewing Harris in Vegas say he has a skill set going beyond scoring. Given the role he’d almost certainly play with the Lakers, i.e. asked to do virtually anything but score, that’s a big deal. But the key numbers for Harris: 24 years old, 6’8″, 240 lbs. Meaning he’s is a big body in the frontcourt, and most importantly a fairly young, potentially developing talent and reason enough to like him as a concept, even if (like me) you don’t know much about him as a player.

Cheap youth and upside are things the Lakers don’t have nearly enough access to, given all the draft picks they’ve traded away over the last few years. Until they can replenish their stocks on the trade market, the franchise starts to rebuild with one hand tied behind its back. That reality puts a premium on finding talent that may have fallen through the cracks, guys who cost a million but eventually play like they’re worth three or four. The type of player San Antonio churns out regularly.

Is Harris that guy? I have no idea. The odds say likely not, but if they believe Harris has potential to crack an NBA rotation the Lakers did the smart thing in signing him. If they’re right, they’ll have a quality asset at a low cost.

Certainly Harris makes more sense than Lamar Odom, a popular candidate for a roster spot among more sentimental fans, but someone who on most levels is a poor fit for the Lakers of 2013-14. While last season’s run with the Clippers was certainly an improvement on his apocalyptic turn in Dallas, Odom still didn’t crack 40 percent from the floor and was a disaster on the perimeter. But more importantly, he’ll be 34 in November, and has virtually no chance to provide the Lakers with what they need long term.

This before he went supernova as a tabloid/TMZ star over the last couple weeks, a distraction worth tolerating for a Sixth Man of the Year candidate, less so for the space Odom currently occupies, particularly on a team without realistic title hopes.

I don’t know if they will given the financial considerations involved, but I’d love to see them sign another “Harris” or two, making more small investments in the future that could pay big dividends (and save them some cash) down the road. At the very least, the move is another in a positive summer-long trend for the Lakers, who continue using their limited assets on younger players potentially capable of growing with the team.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:30 pm

If he works out we have him next season at 816,000. So here's hoping he has a Chandler Parsons-esque season.

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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:03 pm

Yes. Good to clarify too as you did exactly what he needs to bring. We don't need the finger thing distraction on the bench. Hey....he did it to himself. :man9: Nobody does that on the bench ...... :man10:
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lotus on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:15 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:I'd take me a little combination of Fox and Matt Barnes with a lot of Kurt's mindset from his days thrown into the mix. Always, always wanted him to get to McHale after his cheap bleep clothesline of Kurt high in the air, instead of being tripped on the sideline. Just to see what he would have done. Who the eff even bounces up like he did from 7 feet prone in the air to the floor. :man4: He was going to rip Lurch a new one. We'd have had him suspended or course.

Harris needs some Ron Ron in him too and he will get to know Kobe's intensity every day in practice and in the weight room.

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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:27 pm

Come to think of it, not knowing anything myself about Johnny Davis, it's good as well in addition to having Rambis here to also have the prototypical over achiever in college and the pros and a semi-beast himself...... the 2nd new player development coach this year, "Mad Dog". So that's what I'd hope for to be imbued in Harris. Someone has to bang with the big small forwards. A concoction of toughness coming from Fox, Barnes, MWP, Bryant, Rambo and Mad Dog would go a long way.

And the biggest motivator to be that guy..... like so many others here this coming season..... a future larger paycheck to be earned. Well done Mitch!! :jam2: :jam2:
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:32 pm

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/elias-harris

He sounds like a bigger Shannon Brown. :man10:
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:38 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:http://www.nbadraft.net/players/elias-harris

He sounds like a bigger Shannon Brown. :man10:


Damn, then he will be the larger of the 2 "bigger Shannon Browns" we have on the squad next year. :jam2: :jam2: Wes Johnson has also been described that way by some here and looks it somewhat in the video clips.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby S.R.05 on Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:15 am

Doc Brown wrote:So here's hoping he has a Chandler Parsons-esque season


hell yeah, i cant wait to see him blatantly tampering to get a top free agent next summer
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:51 am

why does that article make it out to be Harris instead of Odom? Our PF rotation sucks at the moment, a 6 7" unproven tweener isn't gona make that situation any better. Odom or another legit PF is needed and based on other reports, doesn't this Harris guy have problems scoring against bigger players? If he's expected to matchup against other PF, most backups PF in this league are bigger than 6 7" and those who aren't are built like mack trucks like Blair and Maxiel type.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:17 am

Lamar is thinner than Elias Harris and by all accounts he's likely to be weaker. I'm not saying Harris is going to be great, no one is, but neither was Lamar.

This gamble makes way more sense.

Our PF rotation wasn't going to be great with Lamar anyway. That article made more sense than anyone's rational argument FOR Lamar.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby khmrP on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:44 am

therealdeal wrote:Lamar is thinner than Elias Harris and by all accounts he's likely to be weaker. I'm not saying Harris is going to be great, no one is, but neither was Lamar.

This gamble makes way more sense.

Our PF rotation wasn't going to be great with Lamar anyway. That article made more sense than anyone's rational argument FOR Lamar.


just read his nbadraft.net weakness and it says it all, a tweener but more SF tendency who has horrible ball handling. Lamar or a LEGIT 6 10" PF is needed, I dont care for the cast of PF now and using a 6 7" guy who already has problems against bigger player isn't ideal, we all know HIll is gona go done sooner or later just a matter of time. There's been plenty of "nba body" players that dont do much on the court other then looking buff like the Graham brothers, neither are in the league anymore.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:57 am

So we're off the Lamar idea, that's good.

Remember, Harris is likely to be a 3rd stringer anyway behind Kelly (and Wesley Johnson). So your idea that he'll be on the floor a ton and getting destroyed by big, mean PFs I just don't really buy. I mean if anything PFs these days aren't that big and they aren't that mean for the most part. Most PFs are either shooters these days or just SFs masquerading as PFs.

But anyway, who would you rather they have signed? As a 3rd string SF/PF who would you prefer? Is there someone out there that would:
1. Vastly out perform him
2. Come as cheaply
3. Wouldn't be available later if we needed him
4. Has room to grow as a player
5. Has the same energy/hunger to improve and be a part of the NBA?
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Weezy on Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:17 pm

Apparently he wasn't officially signed until today. Many articles on this, but I found emplay's to be the most informative

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-lakers-elias-harris-signed-20130814,0,313866.story#axzz2bzZwB6Nj

The Lakers have officially announced the signing of Gonzaga forward Elias Harris.

Although the Lakers agreed to terms with Harris in July, the paperwork wasn't finalized until Wednesday.

Harris played in five games for the Lakers' summer league squad in Las Vegas, averaging 10.2 points on 44.7% shooting.

Harris will make $490,180 in the first year of his deal, although only an undisclosed amount is guaranteed. His second year is at $816,482 and that is believed to be non-guaranteed.

The Lakers are also expected to sign rookie forward Ryan Kelly, taken with the 48th pick in the 2013 NBA draft. With Harris and Kelly, the team will hit the league minimum of 13 players under contract.

Forward Marcus Landry is also considering an invitation from the team. Additionally, rookie Detroit forward Nick Minnerath recently tweeted that he'll attend Lakers' training camp.

Reports have also linked the Lakers' interest in Shawne Williams and Gary Forbes.

The Lakers are expected to bring 16 to 20 players to training camp. They can start the regular season with up to 15 players under contract, although 14 may be a more realistic number.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Mr_Hollywood_Line on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:00 pm

chingy248 wrote:You got to be kidding me. You got both Sasha and Odom wanting to come back and you sign a guy that will not see 1 second on the court? I checked in on every game during the summer league and didn't even see anything from him. The only person was Landry.

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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Center Court on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:17 pm

Having a guy who is a legit NBA player versus the never NBA player is not a no brainer.

Maybe Mitch sees something in him that makes him bleive Harris can be a factor in the NBA, maybe Jim Buss consulted with those at the local bar.. but either way they wouldn't sign quality role players to minimum 2 year deal so they must really like him.

Still, Odom (or Jamion, Harrington, Beasley- if waived) is a necessity right now. If he can steal mins from one of those guys, then he deserves it
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:32 pm

Center Court wrote:Having a guy who is a legit NBA player versus the never NBA player is not a no brainer.

Maybe Mitch sees something in him that makes him bleive Harris can be a factor in the NBA, maybe Jim Buss consulted with those at the local bar.. but either way they wouldn't sign quality role players to minimum 2 year deal so they must really like him.

Still, Odom (or Jamion, Harrington, Beasley- if waived) is a necessity right now. If he can steal mins from one of those guys, then he deserves it


I agree whole heartedly with the first sentence.... but not in the least with the Odom being a necessity part. He's done mentally.... and physically a blob. If it was the two of them I'd give Harris a shot in hopes that the 1 in 10,000 shot comes through over the entire year of hoping Odom's feeling "wanted" and he'll just play himself into shape.....
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby rydjorker121 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:24 pm

I like Harris's athleticism and inside scoring, but I like most that he's German, and shows that Mitch is willing to explore international talent. I wouldn't exactly call Harris top tier talent, based on his Gonzaga resume, and personally I thought he was undrafted material. But, there's some poor man's Thaddeus Young type stuff at work here, and if he plays really hard and hones the mid-range J (which I think is just OK currently) then we'll see.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:05 am

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On August 14, the Lakers signed rookie forward Elias Harris, having been impressed enough with Harris' play at workouts -- and in particular at the Las Vegas Summer League -- to offer a multi-year deal that includes a team option for the 2014-15.

A two-time All-West Coast Conference Team player at Gonzaga University, Harris was a key cog in the Bulldogs 32-3 record during his final season. He put up 14.6 points, 7.4 rebounds and 1.2 steals in 27.8 minutes per game. The German native ranks second in school history with his 979 career rebounds, an impressive feat for a player often on the wing, and his 1,857 points rank fourth in Zags history.

Elias Harris
LAS VEGAS, NV - JULY 12: Elias Harris #2 of the Los Angeles Lakers moves the ball up-court against the Cleveland Cavaliers during NBA Summer League on July 12, 2013 at the Cox Pavilion in Las Vegas, Nevada.
We spoke to Lakers player development coach Mark Madsen, who along with the rest of Mike D'Antoni's staff has been working out with Harris almost daily, to see how the rookie's coming along:

MT: What has stood out to you about Harris in your several weeks of watching and working with him?
Madsen: Elias had a great summer league. His versatility is the thing you notice right away, because he can play the two, the three or the four. He came in with a pretty developed perimeter game conducive to the NBA, and is working on adding more and more. We see Elias almost every day, and he's taking all the nuances of what (assistant coach) Dan D'Antoni is teaching him, focusing on making his shot a more balanced and consistent shot. His driving game is something he's spending a lot of time with (player development coach) Larry Lewis on, taking all the materials Larry's giving him and implementing them into his game.

MT: What kind of a kid is he?
Madsen: A really good kid. He's fun to be around in the gym, and makes it enjoyable coming in every day. The good thing about Elias is he's a really hard worker – not just on the court but in the weight room, with his diet, and doing every last thing the organization has asked. His improvements have been great. I think Elias has worked for everything he's received. I remember back to my rookie transition camp and Paul Silas said hard work doesn't guarantee anything, but it gives you a chance.

MT: What's his best position?
Madsen: I think right now his best position is the three. To guard twos at the NBA level, there's still a learning curve there, but he does have the capacity to do it. That process just isn't going to happen overnight. You have to win the trust of the officials and familiarize yourself with the NBA.

MT: L.A.'s head advanced pro scout Clay Moser told me that Harris has "great size for his position, a good overall game, and needs to develop a specialty whether it's the corner three or a dribble drive. Your thoughts on what he can do to really carve out a role?
Madsen: The NBA is a league of specialists and I think Elias could have a number of them. There's no question in my mind that he can be a defensive stopper. He's already proven the ability to get out in transition and finish on the break. He can also play the half court game and wear someone down with his size and strength. And as he continues to hone that three-point shot, that can be really big for him.

MT: And the bottom line – does he belong in the NBA?
Madsen: There's no doubt in my mind that Elias can play in the NBA. Training camp is where everyone has to prove themselves. Any player coming in has to, but there's no doubt that Elias has NBA talent.


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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:03 pm

Oh hell yeah ^^^ that is the first article here in weeks that has pumped me up. Just like Baseball where spring training finds every team fresh and thinking maybe they can compete. I am so looking forward to WTF we finally throw out on the court this season, assuming Kobe is at least 80%. We won't get to play in the championship series all logic says, so eff it, just show us some fun, bust your butts, surprise everyone with how good you actually wind up being..... basketball.

I am jacked actually for the coaching staff as a whole, even including Dan, when he knows he has to be smart, listen to others.....most including Nash and Kobe, and make adjustments in his "wet dream" offense or he's gone after this year. He's a smart guy by all accounts or Coach K wouldn't have him on the international teams.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby therealdeal on Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:15 pm

Yeah I thought it was good article and it got me really hopeful that some of our young guys pan out this season. Hopefully this Harris kid really is a diamond in the rough. Or at least some sort of semi-precious metal.
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Re: Lakers Sign Elias Harris

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:42 pm

Showtime.Revival.05 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:So here's hoping he has a Chandler Parsons-esque season


hell yeah, i cant wait to see him blatantly tampering to get a top free agent next summer

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