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Postby Phil XI on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:59 pm

Forget the Bartender, bring back Bonnie Jill :jam2:

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Postby lakertonka on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:44 pm

Phil XI wrote:Forget the Bartender, bring back Bonnie Jill :jam2:

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LOL! She's still our scout, albeit, at 2012 NBA All-Star Festivities not scouting college basketball games, filming a pilot for a baseball reality show shortly thereafter, while not scouting college basketball games, and finally, right now, as we speak- a color commentator for the D-League Dallas Texas Legends (where she introduced herself as a scout for the Lakers: http://futurecast.nba.com/nbadl/console ... 2021100264). So really, we have 4 scouts: Laflin, Buss, West and Chaz. They must have forgotten to add Bonnie-Jill's name in the Media Guide again this year :bang:

I sincerely hope that they all don't have this many jobs outside of scouting. They need to FOCUS! Being a broadcaster for one of Mark Cuban's teams while being an employee and scouting prospective players for the Lakers is just wrong. I am honestly surprised that they let her freelance with another NBA team.
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Postby Lakerjones on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:25 pm

Jim's jettisoning of common practice and common wisdom truly worries me. He's putting his stamp on things for sure. Knowledgeable scouts are part of the NBA landscape for good reason.

Why when talking about our scouting does everyone ignore Marc Gasol? The guy was the backup Center in the All Star Game. That was our pick. Not too bad.
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Postby dmaul on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:01 pm

Oh my god, this is sad. The other teams in the league have got to be laughing at us. You hire a bartender, a model, and your early 20s brother - is that the same retard who got up on the podium and accepted the 2009 championship? I was embarrassed by that moment. Now, these numbnuts are running are beloved franchise.

I am truly dumbfounded. The concept of being qualified and experienced means nothing to this Jim Buss. He might as well hire the five guys who have the most posts on ClubLakers to be the scouting department. I mean, it couldn't be any worse.
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Postby kray28 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:29 pm

If you read all of Lazenby's article, Chaz is apparently not actually a bartender...he's one of the guys from the bar that Jimmy drank at.

Lazenby is actually saying that Chaz might be even less accomplished than we already imagined him to be. Being a bartender (a good one) does actually require some skill after all.
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Postby gcclaker on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:31 pm

kray28 wrote:If you read all of Lazenby's article, Chaz is apparently not actually a bartender...he's basically one of the guys from the bar that Jimmy drank at.

Aaaahhhh...yeah. That gives the fanbase even more comfort.
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Postby GoldHammish on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:39 pm

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kray28 wrote:If you read all of Lazenby's article, Chaz is apparently not actually a bartender...he's basically one of the guys from the bar that Jimmy drank at.

Aaaahhhh...yeah. That gives the fanbase even more comfort.

Chaz must have been one of the ten whose opinions were "pretty much identical to those of the pro scouts"!
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Postby live and die in LA on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:46 pm

IMO these scouts aren't really as important as many think. They watch college and international games, then give the reports to Mitch. It is up to Mitch to look into players further. Even if the scouts miss out on a certain player, with today's media the GM would have to be slacking to miss out on trending players. Sure it is a bit embarrassing that the Lakers are hiring scouts that have no qualification, but former players are given these positions all the time when we really have no idea if they can correctly identify talent. Look at Michael Jordan. How has he done in Washington/Charlotte?
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:06 am

Identifying talent is really hard, and most professionals get it wrong many times. But that doesn't mean that amateurs should do it. It's like in golf, professionals rarely get a hole in one. But that doesn't mean that you and I would get more holes in one than the pros.

As for San Antonio, they get way too much credit. IMO they were the first team to really pay attention to the foreign players, which is why they were able to draft parker and manu in the 2nd round. At the time, no other teams took the overseas players seriously. I really doubt that they will find another diamond in the rough, though. Now, most of the good players from FIBA are overhyped, and go way too high in the draft. Galllineri, Bogut, Darko, and even Rubio went way too high. No team these days wants to overlook the next Manu or Gasol, so they all go too high in the draft.

As for Chaz, at least he can serve us all a stiff drink when the Lakers are bounced in the first round this year.
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Postby Frank Dux on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:12 am

live and die in LA wrote:IMO these scouts aren't really as important as many think.


Yes they are. A good GM needs a great set of eyes to help find the diamonds in the rough. Do you think Mitch has time to sift through all the trash? San Antonio got where they are today finding something in guys that other GM's missed.


Do you guys really think this guy is going to find us the Luis Scola's, Tony Parkers, Gilbert Arenas?
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:17 am

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:
As for San Antonio, they get way too much credit. IMO they were the first team to really pay attention to the foreign players, which is why they were able to draft parker and manu in the 2nd round. At the time, no other teams took the overseas players seriously.


Their excellent scouting hasn't been just related to the foreign players :

Salmons with the 26th choice , George Hill with 26th, Blair with 37th

International:

Barbosa 28th, Scola 55th, Dragic 45th ...

Plus they have traded Hill for Leonard which is going to be a very good defensive player, they brought a Gary Neal out of nowhere ...
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Postby John3:16 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:31 am

Much of the Spurs success should also go to their coach. Pop, unlike Phil, plays rookies and puts them in a position to succeed.

Parker had his struggles at first, but Pop stuck with him and it paid off.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:37 am

John3:16 wrote:Much of the Spurs success should also go to their coach. Pop, unlike Phil, plays rookies and puts them in a position to succeed.

Parker had his struggles at first, but Pop stuck with him and it paid off.


Sure but the players they drafted became reliable players for others teams aswell ... the Barbosa, Scola, Dragic belong more to the NBA than a Vujacic or Turiaf ..
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Postby lakers_09tv on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:23 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
V.V.V.V.V. wrote:
As for San Antonio, they get way too much credit. IMO they were the first team to really pay attention to the foreign players, which is why they were able to draft parker and manu in the 2nd round. At the time, no other teams took the overseas players seriously.


Their excellent scouting hasn't been just related to the foreign players :

Salmons with the 26th choice , George Hill with 26th, Blair with 37th

International:

Barbosa 28th, Scola 55th, Dragic 45th ...

Plus they have traded Hill for Leonard which is going to be a very good defensive player, they brought a Gary Neal out of nowhere ...

Tiago Splitter with the 28th pick.
Ian Mahinmi with the 28th pick.
Beno Udrih with the 28th pick.
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Postby brickshooter on Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:40 am

live and die in LA wrote:IMO these scouts aren't really as important as many think. They watch college and international games, then give the reports to Mitch. It is up to Mitch to look into players further. Even if the scouts miss out on a certain player, with today's media the GM would have to be slacking to miss out on trending players. Sure it is a bit embarrassing that the Lakers are hiring scouts that have no qualification, but former players are given these positions all the time when we really have no idea if they can correctly identify talent. Look at Michael Jordan. How has he done in Washington/Charlotte?



Using a single Jordan example to show that the rest of the NBA scouts are incompetent is poor reasoning.

It's using single exception to prove the general rule.

It's analagous to seeing that Jimmy won the lottery with a single ticket and forming the opinion that a single ticket will likely win a lottery.

BTW, Jordan was never a scout. He was a GM, an administrator then asked to evaluate Kwame. He's also an administrator in Washington/Charlotte.
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Postby brickshooter on Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:44 am

IMO, if Jim Buss wants to play assistant GM, he needs to start acting like one.

Clearing out the scouting staff established by Mitch & West, then replace them with a bartender and a hot arse.

There is no excuse.

Jim needs to get his act together now.
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Postby lakersfever on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:04 am

It's Jim's team so he can do whatever he wants. The team can lose millions and he will still have hundreds of millions to last him a few lifetimes. It is what it is. We can complain as fans but that's about all we can do.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:07 am

This may very well be a horrible thing (getting rid of the scouts and replacing them with cronies) but our scouts weren't doing a whole lot over the last decade. Ever since Shaq arrived we have made a concerted effort to NOT build through the draft it seems.

This doesn't sound like a very good plan but the results of the last decade weren't really that great either.....
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:28 am

^^^^ yep the thing is Lakers success is and always been and about superstars and stars players ... picks have rarely been seen as a way to improve the team ... we got blessed with Kobe , Shaq, Pau and the strategy always has been to trade/sign for capable role players to surround them ... it's going to be more difficult to do so with the new CBA and I think we already could have adressed some of our problems on the perimeter with some picks we have recently "give up"
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Postby kray28 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:40 am

Rooscooter wrote:This may very well be a horrible thing (getting rid of the scouts and replacing them with cronies) but our scouts weren't doing a whole lot over the last decade. Ever since Shaq arrived we have made a concerted effort to NOT build through the draft it seems.

This doesn't sound like a very good plan but the results of the last decade weren't really that great either.....


It's up to the front office to decide who to draft, or if even want to draft. The scouts did there job fine...they didn't ultimately choose the players drafted. That was Mitch, and Jimmy it would appear.

You think they didn't scout Monta Ellis and only gave Mitch info on Von Wafer? You think if the scouts had their jobs, that we'd have picked Monta instead of Von?

They scouted Bynum, Turiaf, Farmar, Vujacic, Marc Gasol et al.....all of who became productive players. You can argue, "but none of them became stars". True. But I would argue that coming in as a rookie and being a star on the Lakers....with Kobe there, is basically an impossible task. Everyone we drafted, was drafted as a role player...something to think about.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:51 am

kray28 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:This may very well be a horrible thing (getting rid of the scouts and replacing them with cronies) but our scouts weren't doing a whole lot over the last decade. Ever since Shaq arrived we have made a concerted effort to NOT build through the draft it seems.

This doesn't sound like a very good plan but the results of the last decade weren't really that great either.....


It's up to the front office to decide who to draft, or if even want to draft. The scouts did there job fine...they didn't ultimately choose the players drafted.

You think they didn't scout Monta Ellis and only gave Mitch info on Von Wafer? You think if the scouts had their jobs, that we'd have picked Monta instead of Von?

Someone scouted Bynum, Turiaf, Farmar, Vujacic, Gasol et al.


I was speaking more to the results and approach.....not the qualifications of the personnel. If we aren't using the scouting information.... as you are suggesting then the loss of the scouts isn't a huge issue. I'm not a fly on the wall in the front office but the actions of the last 15 years show that we don't really look to the draft to build or maintain our team.

Bynum is the only exception and he was heavily scouted by all teams. Even then, I believe there was a split in the "front office" where we could very well have ended up with Sean May instead.... In retrospect that would have been a scouting nightmare.....

How do you know that the front office didn't follow the scouts recommendations?.. I'll admit I don't follow that very closely but I don't think other than the Bynum pick I've not heard that our scouts were being overruled on a regular basis.... If that's the case then we've had issues before the Jimmy regime it would seem...

Players like Monta and other recent second round finds were missed by most teams twice in the draft.... I'd say that if the scouts in GS really knew that Monta would be this good he would have been their first round pick......
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Postby gcclaker on Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:09 pm

Maybe the scouts did provide information on the players that the organization passed on but there were probably concerns about their character and work ethic that was then deemed detrimental. Another issue would have been how they would have fit in with the personnel at the time or if it was a pressing need at that position. It seems that the Lakers who had established stars/solid contributors at the positions went for capable but "character" types that would seamlessly blend in with the program not entitled players that would cause waves when not given time. We all know Jackson during his tenure did not care to playing rookies so that was another big factor.

Now that the landscape has changed as far as free agents and the CBA is concerned, let's see how the Jim and Chaz show fare. What they have in their corner is the appeal of playing for and being the face of arguably The League's glamour franchise. I don't doubt there will be another superstar/franchise player down the line that will fullfill that. At this juncture what I find comfort in is that Jerry Buss according to Jim still approves every transaction that is being considered...or at least I'd like to believe that.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:19 pm

^^We need to "hit a few home runs" to get that next star unless we trade most of our current assets. The rub there is that the CBA makes almost impossible to add any quality around that star and Kobe..... especially if we trade Pau and Bynum to do it....

It would seem that we need to invest more in scouting rather than less, but If the front office doesn't think that we need the draft or had rather get proven talent over draftees then the loss of the scouts is somewhat irrelevant.

I would have liked the team to have been drafting some nice pieces over the last few year in preparation for this time...... it isn't as if this sneaked up on anyone....
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