a little perspective on the jimmy vs. phil, magic , fans

gcclaker wrote:

ElginTheGreat wrote:

gcclaker wrote:

ElginTheGreat wrote:Personally, I do not want to see MDA get booed or hear the We Want Phil chants when he takes the court even though some of that is probably inevitable. Time to look toward the future with the current coach and players.

If those instances were to happen, then it is a sad statement and lack of class on the part of the Laker fanbase.

I hope you are right. But I think the way this was handled along with experts continuing to fan the flames is really setting MDA up for a fall especially if we get off to a slow start in his offense.

It's unfortunate but true. Not fair? Or course it isn't. It's pathetic actually...

I remember a story of Pat Riley gathering the troops in 1987 after an opening game loss to Houston with questions running amock about an aging squad. He told them the cavalry isn't coming and all they had was themselves. Not saying they equate but there are parallels... It's time for this current crew to block out the "peripheral enemies" and just play... It's about the boys and what happens in between that 94 x 50 chunk of hardwood.

D'Antoni wasn't my first choice or second for the matter but I am NOT about to as a fan to wallow in pity and misery about the Jackson fiasco. I've been on a slow burn how the new coach is portrayed. You figure D'Antoni is intelligent enough for some to formulate a scheme to FIT the personnel on hand. F it! Let's go!

Vasashi17 wrote:It is what it is...I guess we have to move on...

therealdeal wrote:

Vasashi17 wrote:It is what it is...I guess we have to move on...

Vasashi17 wrote:The lack of respect forces me to respond, when all I want to do is just move on. The more I reminisce on this missed opportunity, the more upset I get on how it went down.

As constructed, we're old with 2 7-footers in our front court. You don't do Showtime/uptempo with this squad. With a front court like this, you normally go with the triple post offense (its in the goddamn name..haha)...especially if your key FA is one of these 7 footers (okay 6-11) and has asked for Phil when he was in Orlando. Oh yeah...and he's the better coach. So personnel wise, triangle...player preference wise, triangle...best coach available wise, triangle. 3 strikes and I'm out....

....but wait...there's more. If Jimmy is threatened by Phil, then why would you want an insecure man as your owner? The social dynamic should not come in the way of good business decisions. Here's a question for you...why did Papa Buss choose Jimmy to take over? He didn't go to college...isn't confident...tosses daddy's money around carelessly, probably from developing a gambling habit at the horse track....and makes terrible decisions as seen with the last 2 coach hires...well, now 3 (Phil vs Dantoni..sorry but you HAVE to roll with Phil if you have a win now team).

Meanwhile you got a woman in Jeanie who is confident to bag the most winningest coach and pose nude for Playboy..nice! She went to college and got a degree, hence she's got the proper credentials and smarts to run an organization like the Lakers. Oh yeah, and she makes money, instead of throwing it away as seen by her shrewd decisions in running the business side of the organization...TWC contract...hello!

Lastly, you need talent to win hardware....so yes, Phil needed stars. But where exactly were Shaq and Kobe before the Zen? Getting swept out of the playoffs..that's where! Also, you're right that this organization owes alot to Phil in bringing 5 more titles, but so too does Phil owe the organization. And he did just that, when Kobe was the face of the franchise and was struggling with a team of Brian Grant, Smush, Mihm, Atkins, yikes. Phil came back the 2nd time to a team that didn't really have any championship aspirations. He said he came back to coach Kobe...cause he owed it to him. He felt he disrespected Kobe as a player and took him for granted when Shaq was here. Phil came back cause he owed it to the organization and Jeanie to get such a storied franchise out of the deep end...and as you know, he earned 2 more rings for staying the course.

We've debated this ad naseum, but I won't stand for disrespecting a man that not only wanted this job, but deserved it! The insecurity and ego of a career slacker who is lucky to have the right surname, cost us a reunion that had the highest probability of ending in a parade down Figueroa.

I love Dr. Buss...but I don't believe in Jimmy!
Make us believe....instead of giving us make believe...

show me 1 comment from anyone in the Lakers front office that said they were considering phil.....

mitch got asked a question at presser when they dumped mike brown and he said we would basically consider phil like we will other candidates.

I am all for trying to go forward with MDA

hollywood swinger wrote:
come on stop acting like phil is some well loved well liked coach in this league. Other coaches don't even want to give him credit for his rings. the truth of the matter is the triangle is over and that style of play will not win a championship in this era.

MC wrote:

hollywood swinger wrote:
come on stop acting like phil is some well loved well liked coach in this league. Other coaches don't even want to give him credit for his rings. the truth of the matter is the triangle is over and that style of play will not win a championship in this era.

I call BS on this.......

first off..... in the last 25 years we have had 1 team that did it with a running style playing small ball..... ONE! ...... how do you go about supporting your argument that system basketball somehow can't win now? When the playoffs get deep it's half court basketball that wins you ball games....... not run, run, run ...... even the Heat had to learn that the hard way year 1 of their super team. Run, run,run athletic teams are great for the regular season and fun to watch..... but winning championships that way? 1 out of 25 is not placing your bet on the right horse. It's the Showtime platform that is the long shot, not the other way around.

Second......... that is the problem with the world today......... people, work is not social hour or HS all over again..... we do not go to work to make friends..... those people that do are generally coat tail riders hitching a free ride on the real people who get things done. Phil is respected but not well liked....... I say good, wouldn't have it ANY other way for a leader of men.

Now we just had to ride this decision out and see what we got. I think people with an educated mind know this.... pointless making an a** out of ourselves before giving a window of opportunity to get a proper sample to make conclusions from. I think it can work, I just don't think it's the best way given the makeup of the roster............

IMO.....if it works all it it will be is an over abundance of talent making up for a poor basketball philosophy just like the Heat were a collection of over the top talent that managed to sneak out 1 ring running a poor mans philosophy. majority of the time the team that runs their half court sets more efficiently while allowing their defense to get set on the other end of the floor thru-out the playoffs will win the title just like it has been since the start...... can't run on teams like that until they make the mistake........ the counter punch only works if you don't get knocked the F...... out by the power shots coming your way first.... that is why running athletic teams are almost always going to end up bridesmaids majority of the time..... it takes a major advantage superstar(S) wise to make up for the poor philosophy.

hollywood swinger wrote:
where did i say system ball can't win? MDA has a system he runs. if you heard the presser yesterday MDA said we are gonna pick our spots to run. playing fast and running are 2 different things. I for one am completely over the triangle. i can't believe how many here are still living on past glory.

Vasashi17 wrote:You can't believe how many here are still living on past glory? Wow...
Well you know past glory doesn't just stop with our CL banner that has some ex-Laker greats.

Today the Lakers are actually celebrating past glory by revealing a statue outside of Staples that has Kareem Abdul Jabbar's likeness. This statue joins greats like Jerry West, Magic and the late and greatest to ever do it, Chick Stern. It doesn't stop on the periphery of Staples either. Whether you walk into Staples and notice the 16 stars on our home court or are watching them on TV, the Lakers are all about living on past glory. And then you focus your attention upwards into the rafters...yet again there are championship banners and retired jerseys.

I'm sure we all here can't believe that you don't want to honor our past glory. You should probably join the "Club".

hollywood swinger wrote:visiting phil was a courtesy move for phil and jeannie. the lakers never wanted to go back to phil & that includes both busses & mitch. i am with you also lets move on and see what happens with new coach.

ElginTheGreat wrote:It's over folks. Time to put the drama aside and get behind our new coach. This rift between Jim and Phil has been playing out for a while and this is just the latest episode in the saga. I am rooting even harder for MDA so we don't have to hear a rehash about this every time a game comes on.

Overall, the Lakers did handle this very poorly, but it just doesn't matter anymore. The situation is what it is and I don't want to spend this season like last season where the whole thing was tarnished when the CP3 deal got shot down.

Also, while I can't say it hurt him, the lack of confidence the fan base had in him certainly did not help Brown. Personally, I do not want to see MDA get booed or hear the we want Phil chants when he takes the court even though some of that is probably inevitable.

No more conspiracy theories, etc. Time to look toward the future with the current coach and players.

hollywood swinger wrote:

MC wrote:

hollywood swinger wrote:
come on stop acting like phil is some well loved well liked coach in this league. Other coaches don't even want to give him credit for his rings. the truth of the matter is the triangle is over and that style of play will not win a championship in this era.

I call BS on this.......

first off..... in the last 25 years we have had 1 team that did it with a running style playing small ball..... ONE! ...... how do you go about supporting your argument that system basketball somehow can't win now? When the playoffs get deep it's half court basketball that wins you ball games....... not run, run, run ...... even the Heat had to learn that the hard way year 1 of their super team. Run, run,run athletic teams are great for the regular season and fun to watch..... but winning championships that way? 1 out of 25 is not placing your bet on the right horse. It's the Showtime platform that is the long shot, not the other way around.

Second......... that is the problem with the world today......... people, work is not social hour or HS all over again..... we do not go to work to make friends..... those people that do are generally coat tail riders hitching a free ride on the real people who get things done. Phil is respected but not well liked....... I say good, wouldn't have it ANY other way for a leader of men.

Now we just had to ride this decision out and see what we got. I think people with an educated mind know this.... pointless making an a** out of ourselves before giving a window of opportunity to get a proper sample to make conclusions from. I think it can work, I just don't think it's the best way given the makeup of the roster............

IMO.....if it works all it it will be is an over abundance of talent making up for a poor basketball philosophy just like the Heat were a collection of over the top talent that managed to sneak out 1 ring running a poor mans philosophy. majority of the time the team that runs their half court sets more efficiently while allowing their defense to get set on the other end of the floor thru-out the playoffs will win the title just like it has been since the start...... can't run on teams like that until they make the mistake........ the counter punch only works if you don't get knocked the F...... out by the power shots coming your way first.... that is why running athletic teams are almost always going to end up bridesmaids majority of the time..... it takes a major advantage superstar(S) wise to make up for the poor philosophy.

where did i say system ball can't win? MDA has a system he runs. if you heard the presser yesterday MDA said we are gonna pick our spots to run. playing fast and running are 2 different things. I for one am completely over the triangle. i can't believe how many here are still living on past glory.

Congo Cash wrote:

hollywood swinger wrote:visiting phil was a courtesy move for phil and jeannie. the lakers never wanted to go back to phil & that includes both busses & mitch. i am with you also lets move on and see what happens with new coach.

Ya, this is what I was thinking as well... I don't think he was really on their radar...

Alcindor wrote: