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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:27 pm

Such sadness that this guys career has been deminished by people who don't respect what they have been blessed to witness.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Finwë on Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:17 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Such sadness that this guys career has been deminished by people who don't respect what they have been blessed to witness.

I don't think it's been diminished.. Maybe in the eyes and perception of certain people it's been dimished , maybe he could've gotten more individual media-voted awards, but as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean anything. Ignorance abounds in the world, just like bias does, and money-driven agendas do..
Real greatness stands on itself, it doesn't need validation from X spectators, and it is timeless.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby trodgers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:58 pm

Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
1973 points, 4th place
435 assists, 16th place
402 rebounds, 63rd place

Triple-Doubles
1. Kidd 14
2. Bird, Kobe, Drexler 2
3. Ten players tied with 1
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:11 am

Finwë wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:Such sadness that this guys career has been deminished by people who don't respect what they have been blessed to witness.

I don't think it's been diminished.. Maybe in the eyes and perception of certain people it's been dimished , maybe he could've gotten more individual media-voted awards, but as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean anything. Ignorance abounds in the world, just like bias does, and money-driven agendas do..
Real greatness stands on itself, it doesn't need validation from X spectators, and it is timeless.


I get your point and agree. However, I am speaking about those who choose to down play what he has done, what he has accomplished and what we all have been previledged to witness. I mean even in the Shaq retirement thread we have people (and writers) slamming him for not being on the court. Only with Kobe can people find so much to nitpick at just to diminish him. We have actually witnessed one of the greatest basketball careers ever from start to finish and yet people still hate on him. I actually feel sorry for those folks to be honest.
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby trodgers on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:25 am

Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
1997 points, 4th place (4 points to move into 3rd)
444 assists, 16th place
407 rebounds, 62nd place
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:31 am

Kobe is putting up numbers this season that are almost across the board better than his career averages.

This is just crazy to me because his career as a whole is ridiculous AND he's putting up numbers better than that.

He can't retire if his career averages are still going up. :man9:
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Postby Jazzygirl205 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:02 am

I find it funny how ESPN and sports media outlets are praising Carmelo for his scoring spree but Kobe gets bashed and belittled being said to be disrupting his team, being selfish or he doesn't have enough assists. I get so annoyed at the blatant bias.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Finwë on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:59 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Finwë wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:Such sadness that this guys career has been deminished by people who don't respect what they have been blessed to witness.

I don't think it's been diminished.. Maybe in the eyes and perception of certain people it's been dimished , maybe he could've gotten more individual media-voted awards, but as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean anything. Ignorance abounds in the world, just like bias does, and money-driven agendas do..
Real greatness stands on itself, it doesn't need validation from X spectators, and it is timeless.


I get your point and agree. However, I am speaking about those who choose to down play what he has done, what he has accomplished and what we all have been previledged to witness. I mean even in the Shaq retirement thread we have people (and writers) slamming him for not being on the court. Only with Kobe can people find so much to nitpick at just to diminish him. We have actually witnessed one of the greatest basketball careers ever from start to finish and yet people still hate on him. I actually feel sorry for those folks to be honest.

I get the frustration
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby trodgers on Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:04 am

Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
2052 points, 3rd place
460 assists, 16th place
420 rebounds, 59th place

Most 30-point games at age 34:
1. Michael Jordan 38
2. Kobe Bryant 33

Most 25-5-5 games at age 34:
1. Karl Malone 18
2. Kobe Bryant 16
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Finwë on Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:26 am

trodgers wrote:Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
2052 points, 3rd place
460 assists, 16th place
420 rebounds, 59th place

Most 30-point games at age 34:
1. Michael Jordan 38
2. Kobe Bryant 33

Most 25-5-5 games at age 34:
1. Karl Malone 18
2. Kobe Bryant 16

I like your rankings and the numbers you present trodgers, but wouldn't it be more accurate of a comparison if it was players on their 17th season?
Since Kobe came out of HS, he can be younger than a lot of players and still have a lot more mileage in him
Age is suppossed to reflect mileage, but it fails to do so accurately in cases like Kobe's.
Nash is almost 40 and he hasn't logged the minutes Kobe has, either in the RS or the playoffs.

I would be very interested to know how Kobe's doing vs other guys that played 17+ seasons
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Forward Three on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:32 am

Has any 34-year old had a 30-6-6-5 game? (or call it a 30-5-5-5 for stat's sake)
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby therealdeal on Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:43 am

That 25-5-5 stat is crazy.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby trodgers on Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:10 pm

Finwë wrote:
trodgers wrote:Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
2052 points, 3rd place
460 assists, 16th place
420 rebounds, 59th place

Most 30-point games at age 34:
1. Michael Jordan 38
2. Kobe Bryant 33

Most 25-5-5 games at age 34:
1. Karl Malone 18
2. Kobe Bryant 16

I like your rankings and the numbers you present trodgers, but wouldn't it be more accurate of a comparison if it was players on their 17th season?
Since Kobe came out of HS, he can be younger than a lot of players and still have a lot more mileage in him
Age is suppossed to reflect mileage, but it fails to do so accurately in cases like Kobe's.
Nash is almost 40 and he hasn't logged the minutes Kobe has, either in the RS or the playoffs.

I would be very interested to know how Kobe's doing vs other guys that played 17+ seasons

Finwe, I think Kobe's numbers in season 17 are more ridiculous, so I'm doing it in a way that downplays the "seasons" a bit. I think age, not mileage, is actually the bigger obstacle.
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Postby trodgers on Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:22 am

Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
2099 points, 3rd place
465 assists, 16th place
428 rebounds, 58th place

Most 30-point games at age 34:
1. Michael Jordan 38
2. Kobe Bryant 34

Most 40-point games at age 34:
1. Bernard King 9
2. Kobe/Jordan 8

Most 25-5-5 games at age 34:
1. Karl Malone 18
2. Kobe Bryant 17
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Finwë on Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:01 am

trodgers wrote:
Finwë wrote:
trodgers wrote:Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
2052 points, 3rd place
460 assists, 16th place
420 rebounds, 59th place

Most 30-point games at age 34:
1. Michael Jordan 38
2. Kobe Bryant 33

Most 25-5-5 games at age 34:
1. Karl Malone 18
2. Kobe Bryant 16

I like your rankings and the numbers you present trodgers, but wouldn't it be more accurate of a comparison if it was players on their 17th season?
Since Kobe came out of HS, he can be younger than a lot of players and still have a lot more mileage in him
Age is suppossed to reflect mileage, but it fails to do so accurately in cases like Kobe's.
Nash is almost 40 and he hasn't logged the minutes Kobe has, either in the RS or the playoffs.

I would be very interested to know how Kobe's doing vs other guys that played 17+ seasons

Finwe, I think Kobe's numbers in season 17 are more ridiculous, so I'm doing it in a way that downplays the "seasons" a bit. I think age, not mileage, is actually the bigger obstacle.

OK, but I'm not sure I agree with mileage being a smaller obstacle than age. Age is kinda supposed to show mileage, and in Kobe's case it's not really representing it well.
Say Kobe took a whole year to rest, train and get his conditioning to top-notch level after 2010, instead of playing the 2010-2011 season. He still would've aged a whole year, but he wouldn't have had to deal with 82 RS games and some playoffs game, not to mention stress, traveling, etc.
Would he have been better physically for the 2011-2012 season if he'd done this? I think so..
Not that other players take entire years off, but I think the difference between an NBA season's worth of mileage and merely playing in college or being sidelined for a while or your team not making the playoffs and getting extra rest, or being eliminated earlier, etc, is significant. Minutes on your body (especially if you're the #1 guy for your team) end up being the most important thing, IMO.
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Postby trodgers on Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:52 am

I don't think age is supposed to be a measure of mileage. Age is age. It is strongly correlated with mileage, in that as one's mileage increases, one's age necessarily does; and as one's age increases, one's mileage typically does, but they're simply two different measures.
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Postby Forward Three on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:20 pm

Come on, Kobs, 3 games left, get one more 40 point game and tie the record with King.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:40 pm

Only if this guy would learn to play the right way... what kind of player would he be?
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:09 am

Finwë wrote:
trodgers wrote:Rankings during season in which player turned 34:
2052 points, 3rd place
460 assists, 16th place
420 rebounds, 59th place

Most 30-point games at age 34:
1. Michael Jordan 38
2. Kobe Bryant 33

Most 25-5-5 games at age 34:
1. Karl Malone 18
2. Kobe Bryant 16

I like your rankings and the numbers you present trodgers, but wouldn't it be more accurate of a comparison if it was players on their 17th season?


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Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:11 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Only if this guy would learn to play the right way... what kind of player would he be?


Devin Ebanks would be an all star ?
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Postby LOSLAKERS on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:38 am

Finwë wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:Such sadness that this guys career has been deminished by people who don't respect what they have been blessed to witness.

I don't think it's been diminished.. Maybe in the eyes and perception of certain people it's been dimished , maybe he could've gotten more individual media-voted awards, but as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean anything. Ignorance abounds in the world, just like bias does, and money-driven agendas do..
Real greatness stands on itself, it doesn't need validation from X spectators, and it is timeless.


whats also sad is 10 years from now all ppl will be looking at is the stat sheet and things like 1 MVP. kobes true greatness cannot be seen on the stat sheet
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:39 am

trodgers wrote:I don't think age is supposed to be a measure of mileage. Age is age. It is strongly correlated with mileage, in that as one's mileage increases, one's age necessarily does; and as one's age increases, one's mileage typically does, but they're simply two different measures.


I've always thought the "milage" thing with modern players is a little overblown. A top tier NBA player is either practicing, training or playing games pretty much year round these days. So, competitive minutes deep into the playoffs and rest days between is easily offset by a typical training schedule in the offseason. Wear and tear on joints is from motion and isn't much if any different in either case.

Kobe has played a ton of NBA competitive minutes but I'd bet his plays as much basketball from June through September as he does in the seasons.... same for most of the top tier players.

Now playing well with age, especially at a "wing" position is more impressive to me that looking at the minute odometer. Kareem and Karl Malone are the gold standard there. Both were at MVP levels into their late 30's. Kobe looks to have a shot at being a top 5 player into his late 30's as well if he chooses as well.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:54 am

I'm not so sure. There's a difference in level of training and energy output when talking about someone who is competing for the World Championship or the Olympics over the summer and someone who is training for next season.

There's less down time, the workouts are more intense for longer, the travel takes a toll on the body.

I'd say the people competing for Gold Medals are the only ones that can use the "mileage" excuse effectively. Other players not so much. And of course when you're talking about competitors like a Kobe Bryant or a Michael Jordan those guys will be working round the clock harder than anyone so their barometers are harder to judge.

I'll put it this way, J.R. Smith doesn't have nearly the mileage on his body that a person like Tyson Chandler might. Or Chris Bosh. Or LeBron James. And that should be acknowledged. The difference of course being those guys are 10 times more talented and thus more capable of playing more.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 9:58 am

Finwë wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:
Finwë wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:Such sadness that this guys career has been deminished by people who don't respect what they have been blessed to witness.

I don't think it's been diminished.. Maybe in the eyes and perception of certain people it's been dimished , maybe he could've gotten more individual media-voted awards, but as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean anything. Ignorance abounds in the world, just like bias does, and money-driven agendas do..
Real greatness stands on itself, it doesn't need validation from X spectators, and it is timeless.


I get your point and agree. However, I am speaking about those who choose to down play what he has done, what he has accomplished and what we all have been previledged to witness. I mean even in the Shaq retirement thread we have people (and writers) slamming him for not being on the court. Only with Kobe can people find so much to nitpick at just to diminish him. We have actually witnessed one of the greatest basketball careers ever from start to finish and yet people still hate on him. I actually feel sorry for those folks to be honest.

I get the frustration

To further this point someone actually put James Harden above Kobe Bryant on this board. James Harden, who is playing great in Houston, not only on the same level as Kobe but above him (along with Dwade). If that isn't a slap in the face to Kobe from his own fans I don't know what one is
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby Maluco Beleza on Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:39 pm

I used to have a list of all kobe's 40+ pt games with the stats
but i stopped updating it. I think I might update it sooner or later
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