Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Longevity Numbers on Kobe -updated.

Postby trodgers on Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:20 am

Well ladies and gents, it's over. How did Kobe stack up against others in the season in which they turned 32?

SEASON at age 32
Kobe scored 2078 points, the 5th most by a player at 32. Malone, AI, Alex English, and MJ outdid him.

Kobe handed out 388 assists, the 43rd best at 32. Among active players, Rafer Alston, Dre Miller, Nash, and Kidd outdid Kobe.

Kobe grabbed 419 boards, 120th best at 32.

It also looks like he finished 8th (tied) for steals (99), 9th for threes, 3rd for FTM, 11th in minutes,


CAREER AFTER 30
Most points: Malone 19941
Crack top 10: 12111
55 players have scored at least 7000 points after turning 30.
Points: Kobe has 6613, is 71st


Most assists: Stockton 8441
Crack top 10: 3486
80 players have had at least 1500 assists after turning 30.
Assists: Kobe has 1220, is 115th

Most rebounds: Wilt 10433
Crack top 10: 6466
202 players have had at least 1500 boards after turning 30.
Rebounds: Kobe has 1310, is 235th

5k-1k-1k
86 players have scored at least 5000, handed out 1000 assists, and grabbed 1000 boards after turning 30. Kobe and Fisher are two of those players.
-Only 27 have hit 7.5k-1.5k-1.5k. Nash is one of them.

6k-1.1k-1.1k
60 players have scored at least 6000 points, handed out 1100 assists, and grabbed 1100 boards after turning 30. Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, Carter, Billups, Allen, Nash, Kidd, Grant Hill, and Shaq are the active players to have done it.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby KB24 on Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:30 pm

Jordan = machine.

I think though, overall the mileage also needs to be considered. Kobe at 32 has played more than anyone ever.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby KJ MonK on Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:46 pm

^ Kobe's played 39,000 mins
jordan didnt reach that until his 2nd (and final) season with the wizards... no telling how it would've been different if jordan played the whole time with no retirements
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:57 pm

Crazy numbers. Truly one of the greatest to play this game. Good work trodgers. :bow:
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:43 pm

I think that Kobe will stick around for several seasons (at least three). I hope to see him climbing those lists, but it's crazy how high he is given how young (as far as old folk go) he is right now.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby DMK on Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:44 pm

KJ MonK wrote:^ Kobe's played 39,000 mins
jordan didnt reach that until his 2nd (and final) season with the wizards... no telling how it would've been different if jordan played the whole time with no retirements


Exactly. And its insane to really think about that. Not to mention MJ retired twice.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:49 pm

Sometimes a bit of time off can help you. I think of Ricky Williams, for instance.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby KJ MonK on Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:16 pm

trodgers wrote:Sometimes a bit of time off can help you. I think of Ricky Williams, for instance.


are you suggesting jordan's off-time helped his #s in hindsight?
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:53 pm

KJ MonK wrote:
trodgers wrote:Sometimes a bit of time off can help you. I think of Ricky Williams, for instance.


are you suggesting jordan's off-time helped his #s in hindsight?

I'm not sure. For some players it's undoubtedly true. Think of D-Wade's nearly full season missed due to injury. He had really destroyed his body because of reckless play. In Jordan's case, it may have allowed him to play at a higher level when later, but in his case he left literally at or around his best. So he may have lost more productive time.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby BadCoaching on Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:08 am

Kobe is a beast..

Sad about Jordan.. wish he could have come right out of high school to the NBA his statsline alone would be night and day different. Then his dads murder and retirement(s).. MJ wasn't the same after that not even close.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby 24's Empire on Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:47 am

Karl Malone played until he was 100 and MJ took 2 years off in the middle. I'm sure an extended period of time off would help Kobe tremendously for his injuries and rest. Not to mention he could train in that time period. We all know what Kobe turns into with real sufficient rest and training.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:04 pm

I'll update this thread fairly regularly, I reckon, as Kobe has now joined the 25k-5k-5k club and the 30-6-6 is a long way off.

TOTALS after 30
Kobe has 5442 points, is currently 111th
Kobe has 1013 assists, is currently 16xth.
Kobe has 1073 rebounds, is currently 294th.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1271 points, 179th best at 32+
75th most at 32.

Kobe has 249 assists, 325th best at 32+
117th best at 32.

Kobe has 253 boards, 723rd most at 32+.
236th best at 32.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby kenzo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:20 pm

Here's for the lockout :beer: ... right?
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:49 pm

trodgers wrote:TOTALS after 30
Kobe has 5475 points, is currently 111th.
Kobe has 1018 assists, is currently 163rd.
Kobe has 1082 rebounds, is currently 293rd.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1303 points, 166th best at 32+
71st most at 32.

Kobe has 254 assists, 313th best at 32+
112th best at 32.

Kobe has 262 boards, 689th most at 32+.
223rd best at 32.


Posts his 72nd 30-point game after 30. 9th best.
Posts his 16th 30-point game after 32. 22nd-best (tied).
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:34 pm

trodgers wrote:TOTALS after 30 y/o
Kobe has 5494 points, is currently 111th.
Kobe has 1024 assists, is currently 158th.
Kobe has 1089 rebounds, is currently 291st.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1322 points
69th most at 32.

Kobe has 260 assists
107th best at 32.

Kobe has 269 boards
216th best at 32.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby KJ MonK on Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:03 am

Kobe has now played the same amount of games as Michael Jordan
a lot left in the tank
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:51 pm

trodgers wrote:TOTALS after 30 y/o
Kobe has 5517 points, is currently 109th.
Kobe has 1028 assists, is currently 156th.
Kobe has 1094 rebounds, is currently 291st.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1345 points
63rd most at 32
147th most at 32+

Kobe has 264 assists
102nd best at 32
290th best at 32+

Kobe has 274 boards
213th best at 32.
646th best at 32+
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:21 pm

trodgers wrote:TOTALS after 30 y/o
Kobe has 5550 points, is currently 108th.
Kobe has 1030 assists, is currently 156th.
Kobe has 1104 rebounds, is currently 287th.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1378 points
58th most at 32
133rd most at 32+

Kobe has 266 assists
101st best at 32
287th best at 32+

Kobe has 284 boards
204th best at 32.
619th best at 32+
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 pm

Now has 73 30-point games after 30. 9th most.
Now has 17 30-point games after 32. 22nd most.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:52 pm

trodgers wrote:TOTALS after 30 y/o
Kobe has 5586 points, is currently 102nd.
Kobe has 1037 assists, is currently 154th.
Kobe has 1104 rebounds, is currently 286th.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1415 points
52nd most at 32
122nd most at 32+

Kobe has 273 assists
97th best at 32
273rd best at 32+

Kobe has 290 boards
195th best at 32.
599th best at 32+
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:14 pm

I'm a little late to the thread, but you make a great point and It's the one I make when asked who is the best player of all time. Kareem played at a very high level for 17 years. You could make an argument that he was the best Center in the League in his 17th season at the age of 38. He wasn't rebounding at a high level (having Magic on your team skews rebounding totals) but the rest of his game was still great. Jordan at that age wasn't even in the discussion and Kobe probably won't be either. Kareem wasn't flashy, he wasn't a good interview and stayed away from the "NBA" lifestyle for the most part. If you're old enough to remember the 80's run (and I am) you would remember that the regular season was Showtime with scores over 120 a game on most nights, however when the playoffs started it was Kareem time. Teams went out of their way to stop the break and Kareem stepped up his game and carried the Lakers to at least 2 of those title if not 3.

I would like to see how he compares on points, rebounds etc. after age 35 and compare that to other greats.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:22 pm

^ Thanks for the post. I'm mostly updating this thread for myself, because I care, but Kareem's numbers after 30, 32, and 35 are pretty incredible. He, Malone, Stockton, and a few others were able to play at what I would call elite levels to a ripe old age. Kobe's numbers at 32, despite having more wear than anyone else at that time, are already pretty awesome. One of the 100 best seasons by a 32 year old, and he has 1/3 of a season to go yet.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:46 pm

trodgers wrote:^ Thanks for the post. I'm mostly updating this thread for myself, because I care, but Kareem's numbers after 30, 32, and 35 are pretty incredible. He, Malone, Stockton, and a few others were able to play at what I would call elite levels to a ripe old age. Kobe's numbers at 32, despite having more wear than anyone else at that time, are already pretty awesome. One of the 100 best seasons by a 32 year old, and he has 1/3 of a season to go yet.


Oh...I care too don't get me wrong. Kobe is probably the greatest scorer I've ever seen, one of the top 10 defenders and one of the top 3 in the clutch. Kobe, at 32 has played 1275 Games and 47066 minutes including the playoffs. Kareem in 20 years played 1797 games and 66300 minutes. Kobe has played more games and more minutes at age 32 than Kareem or any other player ever. It remains to be seen if he can get to the totals that Kareem has. If he does it will be at 38 or 39.

Kareem only had 2 years where he played less than 74 games and never played fewer than 62 and averaged 36.8 minutes a game for his career. Kobe's minutes per are already at 36.5 and will go down from here on out. Kobe has played 222 more regular season games that Kareem had by age 32 (Wow!!).

For Kobe to reach Kareem's numbers he will need to have his scoring per minute go up while his minutes per game go down. The hardest part will most likely be his ability to stay on the floor unfortunately as he gets older.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby Rockford Punch on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:14 pm

Good thread trodgers, all these stats and numbers are pretty fascinating.
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Re: Longevity Numbers on Kobe

Postby trodgers on Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:08 am

trodgers wrote:TOTALS after 30 y/o
Kobe has 5603 points, is currently 100th.
Kobe has 1039 assists, is currently 153rd.
Kobe has 1125 rebounds, is currently 281st.

SEASON at age 32
Kobe has 1432 points
52nd most at 32
120th most at 32+

Kobe has 275 assists
95th best at 32
269th best at 32+

Kobe has 305 boards
184th best at 32.
568th best at 32+
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