LQOTD: Are we 1-0?

NewDynasty wrote:To me Clark getting a chance to play is way better then adding martin.

tigerjeterkobe wrote:You can't understand it? Or refuse to? I believe (and I may be wrong, but who knows? Not either of us) that Jim won't let Mitch make tweaks yet because, as he said last week, he believes in the team and that they will figure it out. I believe that Jim won't allow any trades and won't allow Mitch to add salary -- otherwise, why wouldn't they have added Martin when Hill went down? Or West weeks ago knowing that Blake AND Nash would be out? Or Pietrus months ago knowing that we had no back up to Ron?

The season is being lost because of injuries, poor coaching, and poor play, for sure. But another reason that things are bad -- no depth, too many d-league players getting run on a supposed contender, and no defense -- is because Jim as been penny wise and pound foolish when vets were available to help. I see the lack of any change -- OTHER THAN COACH (which is obviously very expensive, but a move more made by Daddy) -- as stuborness. And it all starts with Buss. IMO Flame away...

therealdeal wrote:

NewDynasty wrote:To me Clark getting a chance to play is way better then adding martin.

Well the idea would be having a guy behind Clark. Because now what happens if Clark goes down?

puffyusaf#2 wrote:

tigerjeterkobe wrote:You can't understand it? Or refuse to? I believe (and I may be wrong, but who knows? Not either of us) that Jim won't let Mitch make tweaks yet because, as he said last week, he believes in the team and that they will figure it out. I believe that Jim won't allow any trades and won't allow Mitch to add salary -- otherwise, why wouldn't they have added Martin when Hill went down? Or West weeks ago knowing that Blake AND Nash would be out? Or Pietrus months ago knowing that we had no back up to Ron?

The season is being lost because of injuries, poor coaching, and poor play, for sure. But another reason that things are bad -- no depth, too many d-league players getting run on a supposed contender, and no defense -- is because Jim as been penny wise and pound foolish when vets were available to help. I see the lack of any change -- OTHER THAN COACH (which is obviously very expensive, but a move more made by Daddy) -- as stuborness. And it all starts with Buss. IMO Flame away...

wow. Basically you say the FO isn't doing its job because they didn't just go out and spend money? It is easy to spend other peoples money. THe FO can't just make moves to make move just to make move. When you have a team with the players we have it is easy to understand why they are trying to wait it out. The team can win NOW as constructed. It is funny that people are always saying "get this vet" like they aren't old too. KMart (though I think the Lakers should pick him up) has not been grabbed by ANY team all year. We picked up Jamison who everyone was excited about but his play has been up and down. We have last years premier 3-point shooter in Meeks. We have had injuries and still haven't found defensive chemistry but making a move for making a move isn't smart business. The Buss family has consistantly paid for a Champion calibur team. We are spoiled for sure.

therealdeal wrote:I'm definitely with you. My suspicion is that we're waiting to sign Martin in case we pick depth in the Gasol trade. What happens if we sign Martin now? We lose that tiny flexibility we gained by cutting DJO.

We've got the slimmest amount of wiggle room here. I'd have a call put into Kenyon to wait on us for a week until we finalize our Gasol deal. If nothing comes up then, he can move on and get slightly less in another city.

therealdeal wrote:

NewDynasty wrote:To me Clark getting a chance to play is way better then adding martin.

Well the idea would be having a guy behind Clark. Because now what happens if Clark goes down?

tigerjeterkobe wrote:
Puff, I get all that. I really do. But I am saying why risk MISSING THE PLAYOFFS, wasting another Kobe year, and paying all that in taxes for nothing. Pietrus and West are vets with playoff experience, and they are better than Morris, Duhon, and Ebanks. The team has sufered several close losses. 2 or 3 of them could have been avoided with just a little help. And this next two week stretch could end all hope. Such a big gamble to me. Too many injuries to key players to not add a picece here and there, in my mind.

NewDynasty wrote:

therealdeal wrote:

NewDynasty wrote:To me Clark getting a chance to play is way better then adding martin.

Well the idea would be having a guy behind Clark. Because now what happens if Clark goes down?

A Gasol trade would take care of that. Also Jamison is finally getting playing time so he covers the minutes that Clark isnt playing... i cant stand martin so that maybe the reason i dont want him on this team.

tigerjeterkobe wrote:

therealdeal wrote:I'm definitely with you. My suspicion is that we're waiting to sign Martin in case we pick depth in the Gasol trade. What happens if we sign Martin now? We lose that tiny flexibility we gained by cutting DJO.

We've got the slimmest amount of wiggle room here. I'd have a call put into Kenyon to wait on us for a week until we finalize our Gasol deal. If nothing comes up then, he can move on and get slightly less in another city.

I am hoping this is the thinking -- meaning they are trying to move Gasol. But if we lose to the Bucks, Heat, Bulls, Jazz and Thunder in the meantime, none of it will matter.