LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby trodgers on Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:07 am

Lakers Question of the Day: How would you grade Darius Morris?

Darius Morris was selected with the 11th pick of the second round before last season. In typical Lakers fashion, he didn't see much playing time. In fact, he logged fewer than 200 minutes. But something somewhat surprising happened when the two PGs ahead of him went down with injury. Morris starting playing.

After a few bouts of solid minutes, Morris was inserted into the starting lineup. He started ten straight games with Steve Nash and Blake out. During that span, he hit double figures in points three times, handed out at least five assists twice, and hit six threes.

Then Morris moved back to the bench and saw his minutes dwindle. For the past four games, he has found himself with the peculiar honor of being a starter in name only. He starts games, offers some D, and then often never returns to the game. Witness his average of 8 minutes per game over the last three before 24 minutes last evening.

On the season, Morris's numbers are a mixed bag. FG% and FT% are terrible: 39% and 60%, respectively. But Morris is shooting 40% on threes, has handed out 58 assists in 500 minutes of play (compared with 34 TO). He also has 16 steals.

Looking at the defensive side of the court, Morris has done well against PGs (14.2 PER allowed) and very well in limited time against SGs (9.3 PER allowed) (according to 82games.com).

So, if you were to apply a letter grade to Morris at present, what would you give him?
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby therealdeal on Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:05 am

For what he is and the situation he's in? A solid B-.

Pros: His defense can sometimes be fantastic. He's fiery and he works hard on the floor. The team respects him because they know that his effort will be there. As a backup SG (combo guard) he's shown that he can hit open threes and he's starting to finish at the rim with more consistency.

Cons: His ceiling is apparently hit already because he's shown no improvement from a PG perspective. In a system that is perfect for him to excel and with the perfect tutor in front of him, he's shown an incredible lack of growth as a PG. He's prone to over dribbling (he always has been, even in college) and he's not in control of himself or the ball unless he's on a fast break.

I think for a 2nd round pick you can't expect much. He's giving us a body that's useful and that's more than a lot of 2nd rounders do for their teams. But he's got an opportunity to be so much more here and he isn't taking FULL advantage of that.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:08 pm

I'll give him a c+/b-

WHen we started with Nash and Blake out we saw the type of defense he can play. We also saw that he is effective at attacking the paint and pushing the ball. Unfortunately, he doesn't play with the same freedom having to be the back up. I actually like the kid and think he is much better than people have given him. He just needs to play a little smarter like he did when he started.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby The Rock on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:15 pm

C

He plays with a lot of energy (mostly at home) but he makes too many mistakes on simple plays. Hes getting open shot opportunities in the corner (Which he shoots well on) and he instead chooses to drive in and try to make a play, leads to a turnover or disrupting the offense. Hasn't made a 3 since Nash came back. If hes not defending he can be pretty useless
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:21 pm

OK I'm calling it now.... If he's still here next year after another summer of hard work he's going to be a pretty nice combo guard for us. Or he won't maybe...... :sing: :smash:

Seriously, OK I'll go with B-. There's things like hustle, quickness, some athleticism, some improving shooting, improving handles, improving going to the hole and defense I enjoy watching from him when he's in the game.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby ElginTheGreat on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:35 pm

I have to go with a B myself. He has shown some flashes and has exceeded what I thought of him coming out college. On the flip side, when he is bad, he is pretty bad and its frustrating to even see him on the court.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby revgen on Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:54 pm

B-. He's our best PG defender by far and he has the size to guard 2's as well. His combination of footspeed and length makes him pretty effective. On the other end of the floor he's way below par for an NBA caliber player.

This puts us in a position where we need to hide him offensively, especially in the starting lineup where he fits in well as a 5th option.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:04 pm

C. Nonetheless, for a second-round pick, who I didn't expect very much out of, he's doing ok. Defensively, he's our best PG defender as others have noted. He also did put in work in the offseason getting stronger physically and developing a nice jumpshot. Those things have helped him this year.

He's still developing and still needs to learn how to play within his strengths. In the halfcourt, he's a mess; he's turnover prone, dribbles too much, and can't iniate the offense. In the opencourt, he's a little better, when not thinking too much.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby pound4pound1 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:07 pm

C


Morris is a spaz...plays out of control most times...inconsistent shot, bad decisions...never shows up on the road
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby John3:16 on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:11 pm

pound4pound1 wrote:C


Morris is a spaz...plays out of control most times...inconsistent shot, bad decisions...never shows up on the road


This. But I'll add that his D is pretty good. 3 ball isn't great, but better then I envisioned.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:46 pm

C

Decent defender but he does so many other things wrong on the floor when he's out there that it's hard to justify keeping him in the game for too long
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:26 pm

At this level I'm not seeing the validity in "relative" grading based on his draft position. He's playing better than I imagined he could actually.

He pressures the ball but that also allows him to get beat off the dribble quite a bit... he shoots O.K. from time to time. He is atrocious at driving and finishing and driving and dishing..... which were supposed to be the best parts of his game if you read his draft analysis.... He still handles the ball with his head down.... which is not good for a point guard.

On the upside.... he is seeming to improve slightly and has a level of enthusiasm that is sorely missing from this team.

He's a C- or so I guess. Still can't figure out why he's playing and Jamison isn't
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:21 pm

He's a C- or so I guess. Still can't figure out why he's playing and Jamison isn't


Because he provides some athleticism and defense in the backcourt where we are severely deficient. His corner 3 ball is also okay. I still don't like him being out there in a close game though

What does Jamison do? He has that horrible put shot on the baseline, a lousy three ball, unathletic, and is one of the worst defenders in the league. His 7 PPG on mediocre efficiency is not what we need right now
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby karacha on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:21 pm

Frankly, he is better then I thought. I'm not sure how much he can improve, but he's a really good defender and is very strong. He also has nice hops. But if he can become a deadly 3-pt shooter, he'd be more valuable to us. I don't know how I would grade him though.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Chillbongo on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:19 pm

ElginTheGreat wrote:I have to go with a B myself. He has shown some flashes and has exceeded what I thought of him coming out college. On the flip side, when he is bad, he is pretty bad and its frustrating to even see him on the court.


Can't give him a C. That's me saying he is preforming at an "average"level. Meaning he's performing how I thought he would.

He has exceeded the expectations I had. He gets a B.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Greatest of All Time on Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:57 pm

He's a poor man's Avery Bradley
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Weezy on Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:54 pm

Based on expectations, B/B-, expected absolutely nothing, but have gotten some great defensive performances and some surprise good scoring games from him. He's heavily contributed to at least a couple of wins with his defense and hitting his open 3's. Based on his actual play overall, C, has good games, has terrible games, averages him out to an average player.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:09 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
He's a C- or so I guess. Still can't figure out why he's playing and Jamison isn't


Because he provides some athleticism and defense in the backcourt where we are severely deficient. His corner 3 ball is also okay. I still don't like him being out there in a close game though

What does Jamison do? He has that horrible put shot on the baseline, a lousy three ball, unathletic, and is one of the worst defenders in the league. His 7 PPG on mediocre efficiency is not what we need right now



:man10: :man10: Are you really advocating Morris over Jamison?.... So Morris is more "efficient" than Jamison?

Fake hustle on defense isn't defense.... keep an eye on him next time when he's going spastic on an opposing guard 40 feet from the hoop.... then watch him get set up and then beat like a drum.... Also watch him repeatedly get caught below the free throw line on offense when he's supposed to be the "safety" on transition defense.... this happens on about 50% of the possessions when he's on the floor....

His 3 ball is no better than Jamison's and Jamison can score from more locations and in more ways than Morris ever dreamed of. Jamison's addition to the rotation can provide some scoring while also providing some time off the floor for Kobe.... Morris' time on the floor usually provides turnovers and transition buckets for the opposition.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Ryder Havasu on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:50 pm

B-
Considering his draft position, playing as a combo guard but with no real shooting guard skills and my low expectations of him due to his limited resume. He's an active defender. I won't call him a good defender but, he is active. He's starting to look less like Fish around the rim. He's shown some flashes from the perimeter when he's confident. On the break if he attacks the rim good things are starting to happen. He needs to improve his decision making in the half court sets and when leading the break (this should be where coaching and learning behind Nash should help him). Also, if he could develop into a decent perimeter shooter that would be tremendous for us as he wouldn't be a liability on offense. All those things considered, he's a B- on my book because I thought he was hot garbage going into the season. He's definitely surpassed my expectations of him.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
He's a C- or so I guess. Still can't figure out why he's playing and Jamison isn't


Because he provides some athleticism and defense in the backcourt where we are severely deficient. His corner 3 ball is also okay. I still don't like him being out there in a close game though

What does Jamison do? He has that horrible put shot on the baseline, a lousy three ball, unathletic, and is one of the worst defenders in the league. His 7 PPG on mediocre efficiency is not what we need right now



:man10: :man10: Are you really advocating Morris over Jamison?.... So Morris is more "efficient" than Jamison?

Fake hustle on defense isn't defense.... keep an eye on him next time when he's going spastic on an opposing guard 40 feet from the hoop.... then watch him get set up and then beat like a drum.... Also watch him repeatedly get caught below the free throw line on offense when he's supposed to be the "safety" on transition defense.... this happens on about 50% of the possessions when he's on the floor....

His 3 ball is no better than Jamison's and Jamison can score from more locations and in more ways than Morris ever dreamed of. Jamison's addition to the rotation can provide some scoring while also providing some time off the floor for Kobe.... Morris' time on the floor usually provides turnovers and transition buckets for the opposition.


For any flaws you describe about Morris on defense, Jamison is just as bad. I've never seen someone so slow and inept at keeping their man in front of them. At least Morris has the athleticism to recover

And uhh yeah Morris has definitely been a better 3 pt shooter than Jamison this season. He's 18-45 (40%) on the year and Jamison is 24-77 (31%).

I'm not trying to sell Morris as some savior to our team, but Jamison doesn't do anything well enough to be whining about his playing time.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Armani on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:18 pm

If he can hit an open 3, play with intensity and D it up, I have no complaints from him... it's all he's meant to do, add some youth and energy to this rotation of dinodudes we have. I would give him a B for how he's played so far. Nothing outstanding, but has been useful on some nights.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby Phil XI on Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:19 am

C for what the Lakers have needed in his role. B for what he has done in relation to what was expected of him.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:13 am

I'd say about C-.

Bash Morris all you want ( I do too) but he's the kind of perimeter player you absolutely need in today's league ... some good speed , athleticism and since this need hasn't been adressed via trades or free agency for the latest 2 offseasons , we are kind of "obliged" to develop a 2nd rounder whose offensive game isn't NBA caliber at this moment
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby KB24 on Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:59 am

C

I think he is useful to a degree but he needs more time to calm down. Its critical for him to be able to knock down threes and defend. If he does that well, he could be a useful asset. More than anything his issue is that he is not a real PG but neither a real SG...a typical combo-guard that comes off the bench to spark some energy. Thats also his best case scenario.
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Re: LQOTD: How would you grade Morris?

Postby JGC on Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:52 am

For me, this is tough. The dude tries and that's all you can ask for. If he can't do, he can't do. But at least give effort and he does. I don't see that kind of effort from Ebanks when he was getting more PT.

So for me, overall, effort is an A-, and actual production is a C so average that out to ... hmmm... around a B- for me. Effort goes a long way for me, giving 100% on BOTH ends of the floor and he does that so.... I can't really fault him for not being able to somersault in the air and dunk with authority in traffic, for example.
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