Jazzygirl205 wrote:Yeah I'm going to be all kinds of blunt because it pisses me off he only has one MVP. The way people go and nit piclk Kobe every time the MVP discussion is brought up annoys the hell out of me. First it's team record, then it's whether he's shooting better or not which he is and he's shooting better than his entire career average
Even though the team wasn't great, that they were even able to win 45 games and make the playoffs solely because of Kobe's amazing season should have been enough. I'm talking about 2005-2006. But people don't just nitpick Kobe. They nitpick every MVP candidate. First world problems I guess. It's not "first its team record" then "whether he's shooting better" it's all of those things at once. You have to shoot well, score efficiently, defend well, make your teammates better, lead your team to a winning record. The standards for MVP should be high, at least, higher than having your name be Kobe Bryant right?
Jazzygirl205 wrote:[i][b]LeBron and Durant are younger, so of course they're gonna be a little more skilled in certain areas, but their numbers have also taken a backseat this season, they're efficient and their team's records are a bit better, but Kobe has also been pretty efficient in many games this season.
It's not necessarily about their numbers relative to their own numbers in the previous season. It's about their numbers now, relative to everyone else's numbers now. Both LBJ and KD have better individual numbers than Kobe this season (so far).
Jazzygirl205 wrote:[i][b]Carmelo like I SAID was mentioned on ESPN as an 2013 MVP candidate and could he win it, that was the discussion. He has far less steals and assist then Kobe and is shooting a lower percentage yet people are oozing over him this season, see the bias?
I don't see the bias there. The Knicks, at the time, were one of the top teams in the league led by Carmelo. And I would ask you WHO said he was an MVP candidate because I didn't see that segment but I did read online that Ian Begley stated he thought Melo was an MVP candidate. The reason people were oozing over Melo is because again, at the time the segment aired, the Knicks were like 15-5 and dominating people and they were led by Carmelo Anthony who was putting up nice numbers.
Jazzygirl205 wrote:[i][b]Derrick Rose won the MVP with a 43% field goal percentage and a lot of other players were better in that area, he averaged 7 assists a game but so Rajon Rondo and we know, no one considered him MVP discussion worthy.
Kind of looks like you're nitpicking now =) You have to understand how this works and look at the totality of things. It's not the player with the best FG%, and most points, and most assists and most rebounds and most blocks and most steals and most wins, etc. It's a combination of the player's stats in conjunction with the performance of the team. The adage has been repeated over and over. Best player on best team (where best does not necessarily have to mean empirically more stats or wins as there is room for context here).
Jazzygirl205 wrote:[i][b]With Kobe imo it feels like people just don't want to admit not wanting him to even get 1 more MVP. I think people are annoyed by it. I mean like what does he have left like 1 or 2 more seasons as if that's gonna interfere with LeBron, Durant, Chris Paul or anyone else's chances of getting like 4 more if they wanted to. People are obsessed with stats, scoring, and percentages the last several MVP's otuside of LeBron was based on the team's record and whatever statistical season the best player on that tewm is having as a contribution, that's fine if that's the formula they want to go by cool. But any other player with Kobe's seasons would be considered and MVP candidate just by conersation despite their record. Kobe can't even crack the conversation that's foolish.
Also LeBron and Kevin aren't even in the top 5 regardng rebounds or assists, Kobe's assists and rebounds are slightly up, but it doesn't matter his contributions are still amazing even with his age and wear and tear. It's just annoying and unfortunate.
I think you're more emotionally vested than most in this and that's why you feel that way. And that's ok, nothing wrong with that. I'm more a team/franchise guy than invested in a particular player but I get it. I'm not sure if the fact that Kobe has 1 or 2 seasons left has any relevance whatsoever in the MVP discussion. For me, I wouldn't want it to be a pity party award. You should have to earn it young, old, black, white, tall or short.
People are obsessed with stats you are right and I'm not a huge fan either of the way that they seem to do what you're saying which is pick the best team and then give it to that team's best player. I'm not entirely sure they do that all of the time though. Having said that, the goal of competing in a professional basketball league is to win games and so wins should count for something if not a whole lot. But it's not like they have a formula per se. And even if they did, people would still complain the way they do about the BCS rankings.
In the new world, a player with Kobe's season would not be considered because in order to be considered you have to also elevate the level of your team's play either to an extremely high level or, to an extremely unexpected level. (For instance, if John Wall posted 35 pts, 15 assists and 9 rebounds per game and led the Wizards to a 4th seed in the East or something). His age is not and should NOT be a factor in this discussion. I don't think players above or below certain ages should get extra 'points'. That doesn't make sense to me.
I"m not sure about the point about KD and LBJ in rebounds or assists. The requirement isn't that you have to be top 5 in those categories. Remember to look at the totality of things. People tend to get upset when they look at one or two things and scream "WHY?" but if you look at the totality of things, understand how the awards are handed out, it'll make more sense. You might take issue with HOW the MVP award is determined in general and I think there is merit to a discussion on the definition of 'valuable' but it's set right now.