FabFourLakers wrote:Unfortunately, like others have said, nash coming back and playing well is going to hurt any chances Kobe had at the MVP award. The Lakers were below .500 before Nash came back, and now they're most likely going to be above it since he came back, and Kobe will ultimately be judged by those first 20 something games that he played WITHOUT Nash. Is Kobe putting up MVP numbers? Yes, absolutely. But his team's record is just not good enough. The Lakers would literally have to finish #1 in the LEAGUE for Kobe to get MVP at this point....the media will always find a way to discredit Kobe and give it to someone else...it made me upset that LeBron got it last year and his team didn't even have the best record in the EAST! That's why I'm a little confused as to how they're determining this award now....I THOUGHT it was best player on best team....but I think the way it really works is this....they look at the best teams, if those "top teams" don't have a top player on their squad, like a lebron, durant, melo type of player, then they'll be overlooked (Spurs, Bulls last year), and they'll go to the next best team with the best player....but weird thing is THUNDER finished with a better record than the Heat last year and they still gave it to LEBRON. I feel like it's going to be LeBron from here on out....
I agree with you that the Lakers would probably have to finish 1st (maybe 2nd at worst) for Kobe to get an MVP. I think a major part of that is because of the expectation the media, fans (including Laker fans) had for the team going in, more so than anything else. If you're the leader of a team and your team performs at a level that is below expectations, that will be a knock so you better stand alone in the numbers department to make up for that. If Kobe averaged say, 40 pts/game, then I could see that making up for the deficit in the team success department.
I disagree the media will always find a way to discredit Kobe and give it to someone else since they already gave Kobe one of the awards so that can't be true.
I also don't agree with the method you suggested they use. I think they look at the top players posting big numbers and then look at their respective team's performance. The reason for this, is if they looked at teams first, then Kobe wouldn't have finished 4th back in 2005-2006, he would have been left off completely since we weren't a top team.
Lebron definitely deserved it last year IMO. His numbers last year were just ridiculous. I don't even know if anyone in the modern era can match all of his numbers like that overall (28 pts, 8 rebs, 6 assists, 2 stls all on good percentages). As for the Heat's record, it's not as simple as the record, per se. You have to have a top seed, yes, and they finished 1 game behind OKC in the standings but LBJ didn't even play in 3 of the final 4 games of the season to rest for the playoffs and they lost all of those and the only game he played in during that span they won. Best team does mean the team has to have a top seed, but the best team doesn't always have THE top seed. (For instance, Lakers did not have the best record in the league the year Kobe won MVP).
FabFourLakers wrote:Even if the Lakers finished with a top record, tops in the league or top 4 in the west, Kobe won't get the credit. His team would be labeled "too good" and unfortunately, they will probably be right. Nash will have really helped the team, and honestly if the Lakers have a HUGE turnaround, I wouldn't be surprised to see Nash in the MVP discussion if he is orchestrating the offense like a wizard and making everyone around him better. He DID win 2 of these awards in this offense....
Again, I don't agree Kobe's team would be labeled too good just as LBJ's wasn't when he won. For Kobe to win, the Lakers have to meet or exceed team expectations going in and also put up elite stats individually.
Nash will not be considered. His stats won't justify it. Not having stats and helping a team with Kobe, Dwight and Pau on it isn't going to get you any accolades. He'd have to get close to his MVP years stats to win like 18/19 pts, 12 assists, and shooting efficiency that is extremely rare (50/40/90 territory). He won't get enough minutes to tally these types of numbers.
FabFourLakers wrote:Still though 30-5-5 in your 17th NBA season....that's literally unheard of. I hope the Lakers end up with a top record and Kobe is still putting up 27-5-5....he would have to get consideration, but I know he won't. Media will always find a way to not give it to him so they'll hope the Heat, Thunder, Clippers or Knicks will have a top record. At this point, I'd say Chris Paul is the leader....i could see him getting MVP if the Clippers finish with the best record in the league...which is looking very likely right now.
I agree. What Kobe is doing at his age is amazing. To average 30 pts at ANY age is incredible. Having said that, his age is a non-factor and should be in the MVP discussion at least. I mean, we could go get a guy that is 50 years old and any stats he posts would be unheard of as well. That shouldn't put him in the MVP discussion. CP3 may be in the discussion but he can't win. His numbers aren't good enough due to him playing only like 32 mins/game.
The whole thing about the media finding ways not to give it to him is silly. They already gave him one. So how does that argument have any merit? It doesn't. Here's the thing about MVP. MVP is kind of like adult material. You can't spell it out or draw a line, but you know it when you see it. In other words, the fact that there is a debate on whether Kobe is even an MVP, already puts in question whether he is truly a viable candidate this season.
Either way, who cares. It seems like everyone thinks it's a pointless award anyway right? And he's our MVP so that's all that matters, right? I'd rather he spend time on getting this team to play to its potential anyway.