“It was painful,” Lakers forward Pau Gasol(notes) said. “It is a feeling that I want to keep in my mind for every single minute that I’m out there playing them.”
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Wow I couldn't disagree more.
He isn't asked to do anything for his team except score, his responsibilities are so limited because he has great players like Chandler and Kidd and now even Felton to take on defending, rebounding, and facilitating. JR Smith has also done a decent job of providing offense. And Melo can't even stay healthy so that's another knock on his MVP candidacy. There's no question Melo is playing better this season but it's not because he evolved his game or anything, he just gets to play in a role he's always been more comfortable at. Although I think his shooting efficiency is still an aberration and it will fall back to earth once his 3 pt % regresses.
And Rose was probably the worst MVP winner of the last 10 years. His team's success was built primarily on Thib's defensive philosophy rather than Rose's dominance. They won the equivalent of 62 games last season with Rose playing in only 39/66 games.
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Lol yeah completely leave out that they lost Noah halfway through Game 3 as well. That Bulls team was good without Rose. Plain and simple
ragesince1516 wrote:Kobe is having a terrific season MVP caliber no question but Durant and Lebron are having an even better season.
Rooscooter wrote:JGC wrote:Rooscooter wrote:Right now I'd have to say that CP3 and Melo would be the likely MVP's if the season ended now.... They are on teams that the League desperately wants to be relevant again. Those teams have winning records and most importantly are in large TV markets. The business partners at ESPN and TNT would all fall in line because it would lead to more viewership and more revenues for them as well. People are going to watch the Lakers anyway because of the long established fan base and winning history. It makes no business sense to "promote" the most popular team or its players. In fact overlooking them leads to more interest.....
While neither of those guys is a MVP in my mind that's how it works these days it seems.
Right now the true most valuable player out there is either Kobe or LeBron IMO.
How would Kobe be more of an MVP this season than Durant though?
KD is posting a 50/40/90 so far on the year. That is incredible. I'm not even sure if that has ever been done by a non-guard. He's putting up 28.4 PPG, 8.1 RPG, and 4.1 APG to go with 1.5 STL and 1.4 BLK per game.
Oh, and his team is winning despite losing the 6th man of the year. In my mind, right now, Durant stands alone at clearcut MVP with LBJ right there too.
Durant has taken a step back IMO in the "leadership" department. In fact he's never really assumed it the way a true leader does.
As for losing the 6th man of the year..... Martin is giving them the same numbers with higher % shooting... it isn't like they have Morris coming off the bench....
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I doubt LeBron wins it. The Heat will probably coast and LeBron hasn't been playing super amazing, he's just been scarily consistent.
I think it's Durant's to lose.
MassDaIllest wrote:This is the type of thread that ALL other fans of other teams laugh at and 90% of our fans are embarrassed of.
Finwë wrote:JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:I doubt LeBron wins it. The Heat will probably coast and LeBron hasn't been playing super amazing, he's just been scarily consistent.
I think it's Durant's to lose.
My top 5 for MVP (using the usual great production / team success criteria) right now:
Yeah the Clippers have won 17 straight, but CP3 isn't that responsible for that.. He's GREAT, he's their leader and their best player, but their win streak is due to one thing only: DEPTH. They are just an incredibly deep team.
The Knicks have cooled off a bit but I really think Anthony should be considered. He has been incredible all year, leading his team to an amazing start, and really seems to have improved his play in terms of -consistency - defense - playmaking, all things he was criticized for.
Kobe has had an unbelieavable individual season, but you can't overlook us only being .500
His defense has been bad for the most part of the year too
LeBron as usual has been crazy efficient, but the Heat have underperformed in some games and for stretches really look like they are coasting, him included.
Durant has been plain amazing. His numbers are unreal, and the way he obtains them (which separates him a little from LeBron IMO, LeBron usually has a lot more shots in the paint and the floor is much better spaced -plus he plays at the 4 so there is onely one teammate that could get in his way and that's Bosh who is usually outside of the pait) is CRAZY. The guy is taking crossover-3s, making clutch hook shots in the post (top 5 in efficiency in the post I read), dunking over people, shooting from anywhere in the court.. Just amazing that he can do that at such a high level of efficiency.
His D has been even better this year and he's really played within the team's system. I would give it to him
therealdeal wrote:Pig Miller wrote:therealdeal wrote:Well that's your opinion.
I think there's four players that have pulled away from the pack and you could make an argument for: Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Carmelo Anthony. The dark horse number five is Chris Paul.
There's great arguments to be made for all of those guys. It's a fun MVP race.
you can make an argument for any of those 5, definitely, but you could make a better argument for durant than kobe. even if the stats are close, the records are not. that wo0uld be the tiebreaker.
Again, that's your opinion. The stats are close on average, but the spectacular performances that Bryant has put on this year (namely 10 straight 30 point+ games) in his 17th season logging heavy minutes deserves an incredible amount of respect as well.
JGC wrote:Martin is having a good year with them, but he's shooting uncharacteristically well specifically from deep. Could be evidence of Durant making his teammates better perhaps. In either case, I'm not sure you're suggesting OKC is better off with Kevin Martin over James Harden, are you?
Rooscooter wrote:JGC wrote:Martin is having a good year with them, but he's shooting uncharacteristically well specifically from deep. Could be evidence of Durant making his teammates better perhaps. In either case, I'm not sure you're suggesting OKC is better off with Kevin Martin over James Harden, are you?
Martin is providing the scoring that Harden did.... he's opening the middle much more than Harden did as well. He isn't the initiator or finisher Harden is but the idea that he's significantly inferior is not true IMO.
That team has a leadership problem.... always has.
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