LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:26 pm

Unless we are trading Pau or MWP we won't have a chance to make much of an improvement to the overall roster.

I'd still send Pau out for pieces myself. We may get a week or two more out of him this season so trading him now actually makes more sense than in the offseason IMO.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:04 pm

Come on now.....what about all the 6 to 7 games being played in each round of the playoffs getting to the Finals. We can use him then too. :man1:
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Weezy on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:05 pm

Deadline came and went, no moves. I'm honestly a little disappointed, lots of young talent to be had for very little and we do nothing. For example, Celtics just got Jordan Crawford for Barbosa, who is done for the season, we couldn't do that?
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:08 pm

No moves at all. I guess things are great in the locker room, we're over .500, and all set for a deep playoff run.

Right? :man6:

In all seriousness, I'm surprised we didnt do something. I think they probably wanted to hold out until next year or offseason.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby karacha on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:15 pm

Mitch knows what he's doing. I'll trust him. We don't need any moves right now. Eventually we need to sign Dwight, get some youth for Pau if possible, re-tool slightly for one more year -- and hopefully decent playoff run in 2014. Then we'll have some fun with the new team in 14/15. No reason to rush into something we might regret later.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:17 pm

Morrow would have been NICE ... goes to Mavs for Dahntay Jones
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Aonex on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:17 pm

phoenixrisingla wrote:No moves at all. I guess things are great in the locker room, we're over .500, and all set for a deep playoff run.

Right? :man6:

In all seriousness, I'm surprised we didnt do something. I think they probably wanted to hold out until next year or offseason.


Why are you surprised? After the new CBA, no one wants to take on more salary, which is what we have to offer. We don't have draft picks or young tradeable assets (other than Dwight and Clark) that other teams would want.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby The Rock on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:18 pm

All our players value skyrocket this summer. This year might be lost
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:19 pm

We'll move be moving contracts this summer; bank on it...
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:19 pm

karacha wrote:Mitch knows what he's doing. I'll trust him. We don't need any moves right now. Eventually we need to sign Dwight, get some youth for Pau if possible, re-tool slightly for one more year -- and hopefully decent playoff run in 2014. Then we'll have some fun with the new team in 14/15. No reason to rush into something we might regret later.

I think thats what it boils down to. I think they've been planning for 2014/15 for a few years now, and dont want to risk undoing all that work with a panic move.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:20 pm

karacha wrote:Mitch knows what he's doing. I'll trust him. We don't need any moves right now. Eventually we need to sign Dwight, get some youth for Pau if possible, re-tool slightly for one more year -- and hopefully decent playoff run in 2014. Then we'll have some fun with the new team in 14/15. No reason to rush into something we might regret later.


I'm not sure how we "slightly re-tool" for a run next year...... that implies that we are just slightly off a "run" this year. Everyone will be older, slower and more injury prone next year......

The forwards need to be revamped on this team from bottom to top with the exception of our back-up PF's (Hill and Clark) for us to take this group anywhere IMO. Speed, shooting and defense need to be upgraded a lot more than "slightly" I think.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:21 pm

The Rock wrote:All our players value skyrocket this summer. This year might be lost


:man3:

Pau's worth about 20 million now..... is he worth more this summer?.....
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:23 pm

Aonex wrote:
phoenixrisingla wrote:No moves at all. I guess things are great in the locker room, we're over .500, and all set for a deep playoff run.

Right? :man6:

In all seriousness, I'm surprised we didnt do something. I think they probably wanted to hold out until next year or offseason.


Why are you surprised? After the new CBA, no one wants to take on more salary, which is what we have to offer. We don't have draft picks or young tradeable assets (other than Dwight and Clark) that other teams would want.


Just a little surprised. We have nice expiring contracts for 2014 in Ron and Pau (but I know their performance and availability respectively have decreased their value).

I didnt expect anything major, but it seems like there were some opportunities out there.

Like I said though, I don think they wanted to risk undoing the work they put into wiping the slate clean for the 2014/15 season.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Aonex on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:24 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
The Rock wrote:All our players value skyrocket this summer. This year might be lost


:man3:

Pau's worth about 20 million now..... is he worth more this summer?.....


Well, he'll at least be walking this summer. :man1:
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby karacha on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:28 pm

Rooscooter wrote:I'm not sure how we "slightly re-tool" for a run next year......


Trading Pau's expiring. Getting Hill back.

What you suggest are right moves. some of which might come through Gasol trade -- or we'll wait until 14/15. This season we wasted time with coaching change and chemistry building. Next year will be better, but not amazing. But that's OK, because Mitch will come back with a winner in a year and a half.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:41 pm

New starting SF
New starting PF
a good SG/SF coming from the bench ... all these players have to be young/athletic ( at least not 30ish or more ) and 2 ways players ...

This is how our team will become a serious contender again .. not an easy task
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:45 pm

As much as I wanted SOME move....I see the reasoning. This season has been ridiculous and eventful. Even for the Lakers of Los Angeles.

They figured, what the hell....we're slim on making the playoffs and any player we get really isn't going to make or break our playoff chances. It kind of makes sense. Too many issues with chemistry/consistency/locker room.

Lets just put faith in our guys to see what happens. As fans, it's tough to see it from that perspective but I kind of get it. They always have the summer when things will be MUCH more clear (Dwight) and they can really sit down and analyze the team.

Plus with the passing of Dr. Buss, everyone, Mitch included, are probably taken back a bit and not trying to stir the pot any more.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:05 pm

What ever we do going forward I hope we ditch the model of putting veteran stars together. The new CBA is going to prevent that in large part.... if we do have two Maxes we will have no one behind them and I'm really getting sick of being 6 or 7 deep. It's been that way for years it seems. We need a mix of youth, developing talent (real talent too) and veterans so we don't continually have 2 year windows followed by complete "re-tooling"
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Aonex on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:12 pm

^^ Yeah it's tough for us since we rarely ever have lottery picks to home grow our own talent. It's always signing veterans or finding diamonds in the rough like Ariza and Clark. I mean, aside from 2004-2005, our idea of re-tooling is losing in the first round of the playoffs, not tanking and going for the lottery.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:51 pm

Aonex wrote:^^ Yeah it's tough for us since we rarely ever have lottery picks to home grow our own talent. It's always signing veterans or finding diamonds in the rough like Ariza and Clark. I mean, aside from 2004-2005, our idea of re-tooling is losing in the first round of the playoffs, not tanking and going for the lottery.


To be fair... other teams that stay at the top (S.A. for example) seem to find a way to keep dynamic young players on their roster AND attract veterans with enough left in the tank to actually contribute off the bench. The reason those 3 have something left in the tank these days is because they have had enough depth to rest them over the years. Meanwhile we've been 6 or 7 deep with absolutely nothing behind that.....

I'd much rather have a deep team that has a balanced attack than one player dominating the ball and all of the action and a "support system". Unfortunately that is what Dwight wants I'm afraid..... a bunch of players that either open the middle for him by being shooters or guards that will get him the ball under the hoop....
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby abeer3 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:34 pm

i don't think it's fair to compare teams to SA. they have a unique situation. same coach and basic system for what, two decades now? an all-time great in the post with two ideal complements, all three of whom probably make less money there right now than they would command on the open market.

bear in mind that almost nobody who leaves there looks as good as they did in SA. you think gary neal would do jack squat somewhere else? it's as much about system and knowing what fits as it is about scouting, imo.

btw: this is, ironically, why they're so beatable in the playoffs nowadays. they're not very flexible, and in the regular season, they really capitalize on being sharper than the opponent every single night. the level of focus changes, and teams get used to what you're doing over a 7 game series. hence, unexpected series losses.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:59 pm

^^ I think it's fair.... the two teams have taken completely different approaches. We've had bigger super stars and have had the top coach..... they stick to a philosophy and system. We run our top players into the ground.... they rest and pace theirs... They view the draft as an opportunity and plan for it.... we view it as a way to shed salary and avoid it.....

Their top players understand that it isn't the players that win..... it's teams. We keep going after "names" and failing to look at the character behind the name.....

We've had the same amount of success over the last few years but they have a much better chance currently than we do.
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Re: LQOTD: Do we make a deadline move?

Postby therealdeal on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:13 pm

The score since Popovich was hired by San Antonio in '96:
San Antonio- 4
Lakers- 5

I think our plans have been executed just fine. And when we reload in 2-3 years, we'll be in a better position financially to tackle the new CBA like we need to.

I don't see how our plans are any worse than the Spurs when we've had more success and we're in a situation to successful in the future as well.
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