LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Would the Pacers give up Hibbert or West + Granger for him? What about Batum + LMA? Gay + Gasol? If we could get a star SF with good size & a good replacement big, maybe some 1st round picks.. I wouldn't mind it. Dwight is a beast when he's 100% but I'd take a deal that gives us 2 young stars that help us win now.

Right now he is not worth af any deal, so we need to postponed this story. I f he start to play like he play before OK give him max deal but in this moment he didnt show us nothing to prove his value. So I dont care about this at the moment

themasterphil wrote:Right now he is not worth af any deal, so we need to postponed this story. I f he start to play like he play before OK give him max deal but in this moment he didnt show us nothing to prove his value. So I dont care about this at the moment

Lol are you for real? Fighting back from injury @ 70% he is still the best center in the nba and worthy of the max.

People bringing up trades for him? My my my. If you are the Lakers you don't talk trade for a marque player like Howard except for a LBJ or maybe Durant, neither of which would happen.

Alcindor wrote:

themasterphil wrote:Right now he is not worth af any deal, so we need to postponed this story. I f he start to play like he play before OK give him max deal but in this moment he didnt show us nothing to prove his value. So I dont care about this at the moment

Lol are you for real? Fighting back from injury @ 70% he is still the best center in the nba and worthy of the max.

People bringing up trades for him? My my my. If you are the Lakers you don't talk trade for a marque player like Howard except for a LBJ or maybe Durant, neither of which would happen.

well he is not 100% ready so until he become 100% ready and give us some wins I cant speak about this bc its stupid, we are not even in the PO right now....wtf we are not even a contender for the title with this team and until I see some 10-15 games with 25 and 15 from dwight i dont care about summer at all. I want to see him as a dominant player and not a player with 7 points in one game. Thats unexpectable and if you are not ready then dont play. ITS SIMPLE AS THAT.

He's gone imo. Nobody wants to be a part of an old, sinking ship. LA or not, he's not gonna be the guy to build a team around and I think he knows that. He'll probably look to go somewhere he can put a team over the top (or just solidify them as the top contender).

HE is as much a cause for this ship sinking as anyone else.

If the dude made two more shots last night, we win that game. He's still staying, he just needs to get healthier and we need to get him a younger running mate right now.

It's not about one bad game. Just b/c he had a bad game doesn't mean he's a cause for the sinking ship. Look at our core...they're not getting any younger and are far from their prime. You think Dwight doesn't know this? I've never believed Dwight could be a #1 option on a LEGITIMATE title contender and that hasn't changed. Odds are he'll look for some place he could help rather than be "the man". He won't want to re-sign here when it's obvious we have no real future 2 years from now.

khmrP wrote:

Chillbongo wrote:^
It's getting harder and harder for me to think he will as this team keeps sucking.

I can tell he's frustrated here but where would he go. ATL?

Who's the other free agent they snag summer 2013 that makes ATL contenders?

Dall, Cp3 1st then Howard, all they have to do is dump Marion on someone for nothing.

yeah he's gonna leave an inconsistent lakers team for an even worse team in dallas

they might be a lottery team this season by the looks of it

It's not about one game, you're right. It's about the lack of explosion he's shown since he's been here. It's no fault of his, it's just that he's not healthy. And we're building our defense around him expecting him to swat everything and recover for everyone we funnel to him, but he can't do it. He's not able right now which means our defense isn't where it needs to be.

He's a part of this ship that's sinking. Yes our core is getting older, but so what? The Celtics have been ancient for the last 4 years and they've sniffed the Conference Finals a few times in that stretch. We aren't even at that level, it's deeper than that. We just don't have the chemistry and the heart right now.

Besides just because you're convinced he's not a #1 option, do really think he is convinced of that? You really think that Dwight, the best Center in the league even on half a back, is convinced he's not a #1 after being the #1 for 7 years? After coming close to an MVP? After being the 3 time DPOY? He's not going to bail to be a glue guy somewhere.

Howard cannot wait for the season to be over so he can pack his bags

And go where? Please tell me the situation he could go to that'd be more conducive to winning? Atlanta? Dallas?



I can't wait until he comes back next year looking like he should and all of this talk fades away behind his max contract with the Lakers.

I still think he will resign but I'm not sure Dwight is cut out to be a big market player. Some guys just can't handle the pressure or don't want to constantly be hounded by the media due to the expectations, and the Lakers are expected to win and be a top class organization with few gimmicks. Same as in the MLB where some players refuse to play in Boston or NY because of all the added pressure.

If we miss playoffs, he's out.

Alcindor wrote:

themasterphil wrote:Right now he is not worth af any deal, so we need to postponed this story. I f he start to play like he play before OK give him max deal but in this moment he didnt show us nothing to prove his value. So I dont care about this at the moment

Lol are you for real? Fighting back from injury @ 70% he is still the best center in the nba and worthy of the max.

People bringing up trades for him? My my my. If you are the Lakers you don't talk trade for a marque player like Howard except for a LBJ or maybe Durant, neither of which would happen.

I want to believe this. I think that is his POTENTIAL. To be that great. But he hasn't really been that here in LA.

Whether it be the injury or MDA's system or Kobe being ball dominant. If I were the Lakers brass I'd at least entertain some offers. Unlike with Pau we could get some decent young talent in return for Dwight.

Not advocating for him leaving, just saying with his back and uncertainties in this team/system, at least LISTEN to offers.

therealdeal wrote:And go where? Please tell me the situation he could go to that'd be more conducive to winning? Atlanta? Dallas?



I can't wait until he comes back next year looking like he should and all of this talk fades away behind his max contract with the Lakers.

Atlanta has the 3rd best record in the East 2 games behind Miami for the best record there, why is that not a better situation than L.A? Not only that, it is Dwight's hometown & he would also be playing next to his BFF Josh Smith. What makes you so sure he won't bolt from L.A & sign there? Money? The guy has got enough & has endorsements as well, he can always max out or near max out in ATL again after this contract is up. Doesn't sound as bad as people make it seem.

I've seen two things with Howard and had another suspicion validated....

First, his back is effecting his play and will probably effect it for the rest of his career. The thought that a season of "working out" will have him come back like he was before is misplaced if you know anything about back injuries. His heavy lifting days are over... at least with his upper body. Just about every lifting motion for your upper body puts a ton of stress on your lower back and that I'm sure is off limits.

Second, he's always had a bit of a reputation as a diva and being less than serious at times. These both seem to be true to a certain extent. His mental preparedness has been lacking in several games. I think this has been misinterpreted as being out of shape by a lot of people. Over 30 games and a pre-season conditioning program.... he is in game shape.

Finally, I'm convinced more than ever that he cannot be the dominant offensive weapon on a championship team. This isn't to say that he's not valuable.... he's the most valuable player at his position in the game today, but he isn't the kind of guy that is going to dominate a big playoff series offensively. He will always need a great wing or point guard.

All of this is not to say that we shouldn't re-sign him.... we made that decision IMO when we traded for him. He's going to be the "Post Kobe" face of the franchise and it was a good trade to get him. Hopefully he can attract another very good to great player to the team when we have the ability.

GoldenKnight wrote:

therealdeal wrote:And go where? Please tell me the situation he could go to that'd be more conducive to winning? Atlanta? Dallas?



I can't wait until he comes back next year looking like he should and all of this talk fades away behind his max contract with the Lakers.

Atlanta has the 3rd best record in the East 2 games behind Miami for the best record there, why is that not a better situation than L.A? Not only that, it is Dwight's hometown & he would also be playing next to his BFF Josh Smith. What makes you so sure he won't bolt from L.A & sign there? Money? The guy has got enough & has endorsements as well, he can always max out or near max out in ATL again after this contract is up. Doesn't sound as bad as people make it seem.

If ATL can keep their core of Smith, Teague, and Korver, and then sign Dwight for the max, it may be possible.

If Dwight gets $20 mils, they would have $20 mil left to split among the 3 before filling out their bench with vet minimums.

Someone's taking a paycut. Smith $10M, Korver $5M, Teague $5M? Not happening. Korver would likely bolt for more money, leaving ATL with less shooters.

But a starting lineup of:

Dwight
Horford
Smith
Lou Will
Teague

Looks intimidating, especially defensively.

What about Houston? They can keep everyone 1-9 (except maybe Douglas) and still offer Dwight a max deal.

Lin, Harden, Parsons, Dwight... with Asik, Patterson, Morris, and Delfino... They got one off-season, though, before Lin's and Asik's contracts balloon.

No one is going to pick Atlanta and their long history of failure, especially in a conference that still houses Miami.

Houston? Please. How is Houston so much better than LA? You think that core gives Dwight a chance of winning so much greater than LA that it's worth blowing 20 million dollars over? Ridiculous.

I'd be shocked to see Dwight not sign with LA. He gets everything he wanted here with the calibur, franchise, fan base (though it annoys the hell out of me at times), and (most importantly) the off court biz he gets being in LA.

We have some really stupid fans. I thought Cowboy fans were bad.

ATL will have only about 20 mil avail total for Dwight plus FA's.
Contracts in place for Horford (12), Lou (5.25) and Jenkins (1.25), plus 1st rd hold (1.0) = 19.5
They'll have to sign Josh and Teague first because their holds are more than they'll actually get.
Say Josh gets 12 and Teague gets 5.5. That's 17.5 (which is better than their cap holds of 22.5). Total =37.
Renounce everyone else (Korver, Petro, Harris, Morrow, Zaza, Ivan, Tolliver, Scott) and their MLE.
6 spots, with 6 to roster hold at 3m makes new total = 40 mil.
If by chance the cap is 60, for round numbers, that only leaves 20 for Dwight. Everyone after him would have to be a vet min.
Also, they hold Houston's 1st and if Hou makes playoffs, Atlanta gets it and its cap hold too, meaning even less $ avail. They do have their 2nd at no cap hold.

Dwight/Horford/Josh/Lou/Teague/Jenkins/2 rookies/5 vet mins

Solid, but not all that attractive compared to Kobe, Nash, Pau, Peace, Hill, Meeks, Blake, 1 mini mle.

DAL will have only about 16 mil avail total for Dwight plus FA's.
Contracts in place for Dirk (22.7), VC (3.8), Cunningham (1.2) and Crowder (.8), plus 1st rd hold as they'll probably not have to give it up this year since they are subpar (1.5) = 30.
They'll have Mayo with player opt probably opt in (4.2) and will need to keep one of Collison or Roddy most likely since they have value and the hold is double what they make (so 3.8 for one, we'll say DC here) = 8m.
Total =38.
Renounce everyone else (Kaman, Brand, Jones for sure with large holds, and the other small ones as well).
Still leaves the Marion decision. He's 9 mil player option. If he isn't traded and opts in, they have used 47 plus 4 mil in roster holds for a total of 51m. They can sign one medium player for 4m plus keep MLE, or waive MLE and sign a 9m player. No Dwight.
If Marion is dealt or opts out and cap is at 60, they'll have 16 mill for Dwight (after roster holds and by renouncing their MLE). Would he take it?

Everyone after him would have to be a vet min. The tax benefits are really their best sell, but that didn't sway Deron.

Dwight/Dirk/Carter/Mayo/Collison/Cunningham/Crowder/2 rookies/4 vet mins

Solid, but not all that attractive compared to Kobe, Nash, Pau, Peace, Hill, Meeks, Blake, 1 mini mle.

^^ So in other words, versus Atlanta and Dallas, I think Dwight stays a Laker.