LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:11 am

When they traded Andrew Bynum for Dwight Howard, the Lakers did so in order to lock up the services of the best big man in the game. They didn't want to rent him for a season. While "Bynum vs. Dwight" is an interesting question, and it is what settles the "best big man in the game" question, it's not the question here. The Lakers Question of the Day is whether Dwight Howard, best big on the Lakers, will re-sign with the team.

He has battled through rehab and not being at 100%. He has called out some teammates a bit. The Lakers have struggled to win games. If Dwight wanted regular season glory and moderate playoff success, he could have remained in Orlando, where the Magic had been to the playoffs six consecutive seasons and had won half of their playoff games. More of the same isn't what Dwight was looking for.

If you think it's too early to call, tell me what would be the minimum (is it short of a ring?) that would make Dwight sign on for another tour of duty with the Lakers?
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby KB24 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:17 am

Even if he leaves, the trade was right and I would neither be mad nor sad.

We did what we had to do and we accepted the risk. If he leaves, I won't even hate him. That being said, I do expect him to stay with the Lakers regardless of the outcome of this season unless there is a major issue in the lockerroom with Kobe or D'Antoni.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:19 am

1.) Best franchise in the game with a history of great centers.

2.) Best chance statistically to get a ring on this team compared to others looking at history.

3.) Will get the most money here

4.) Perfect town for his personality

5.) Needs to build up his image again after the whole fiasco in Orlando

6.) Recent comments have shown that he is talking about being the future of the Lakers

7.) Will be the face of the franchise when Kobe retires (Until we get the next star perimeter player :man9: )

8.) We won the trade no matter what, I wouldn't want Drew on a max deal after not playing one game this season

9.) He's staying
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:31 am

Dwight is either gone, or signing long term. Especially with his back issues, it would be stupid of him not to sign a long term deal.

But now we have to hope Dwight does what many of us don't like too much. Make the money play. It would make the most sense for him to re-sign here as he can get the most money. But if he wants to win, at least so far, it doesn't look like the smartest choice right now.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:36 am

trodgers wrote:If Dwight wanted regular season glory and moderate playoff success, he could have remained in Orlando, where the Magic had been to the playoffs six consecutive seasons and had won half of their playoff games. More of the same isn't what Dwight was looking for.


This is one conclusion to your supposition. The other is that he's chasing money and endorsement deals. Adidas has dangled a "lifetime" endorsement deal similar to the one signed by DRose to him in the past but rumors had it that it was connected with the NY Market. Their Annual Report alluded to their endorsement strategy and also noted NY as a target. Adidas hasn't offered him the long term endorsement deal as far as I'm aware of so they are either waiting for a long term contract or another local.

I'm sure he want's to win a championship as well but his next contract and endorsement deals will carry him through the rest of his life so I'm sure he and his advisors are looking to maximize those opportunities. With that said, he can make more from an NBA Contract in LA than anywhere else. The NY Market doesn't seem to be an option either. I think he stays here for the money and a shot at a championship.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:43 am

JGC wrote:Dwight is either gone, or signing long term.


Interesting. Never really thought about in this way.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby lakersyunowin on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:46 am

Doc Brown wrote:
JGC wrote:Dwight is either gone, or signing long term.


Interesting. Never really thought about in this way.

also consider, he either will or he won't

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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby John3:16 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:46 am

I'd put him staying at about 99.9999%.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:46 am

^ This season is so important for so many reasons. If we continue at the .500 pace (which I don't believe we will, but I never believed we'd be in the situation we're in either) then I'm not sure we'd see a championship between next year and the end of a D12 max contract.

If we really are a .500 ball club we'll have to start over (around D12) in 2014 it's going to be tough then to win within the next 6-7 years or so. I think his goal here, was to win NOW while the window was supposedly open and then rebuild and take another stab at it with him as the centerpiece. Still early, but, I'm not sure what impact it would have on his decision, if, it seemed like we couldn't field a contender with the pieces that we have.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby John3:16 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:47 am

Doc Brown wrote:
JGC wrote:Dwight is either gone, or signing long term.


Interesting. Never really thought about in this way.


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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:49 am

John3:16 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
JGC wrote:Dwight is either gone, or signing long term.


Interesting. Never really thought about in this way.


:man10: :man10: :man10:

I mean, it's POSSIBLE that he signs a short-term deal. But stupid.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:51 am

fkmikebrown wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
JGC wrote:Dwight is either gone, or signing long term.


Interesting. Never really thought about in this way.

also consider, he either will or he won't

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Well what you guys are failing to see is that there's another option which is to sign short term. Sign short term for this window that we have and bolt so he doesn't have to struggle during a rebuild if we don't win.

I don't think it's a likely option, especially given his back issues, but it's certainly a viable option that he could consider.

EDIT: (And don't you go and pretend you didn't overlook that at the time of your post now.) :man12:
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby abeer3 on Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:53 am

i'll be shocked if he leaves, regardless of how the season shakes out. more money, and it's really tough to make an argument that he'd be in a better situation going forward anywhere else. the teams that figure to have the cash and throw it at him are dallas, atlanta, and houston (i'm sure there are others, but i can't think of them off the top of my head).

dallas has dirk in a similar situation to kobe, except dirk's coming off knee surgery. if he signs there, it's him and dirk and...very little else. worse situation.

houston has harden and asik, who plays the same position as howard. dwight would eat up all their room, and you're stuck trying to win with lin, harden, asik, and minimums/mles. worse situation.

atlanta hinges on paul, who's staying in la. otherwise, it's horford, smith, and teague going forward. that's the best of these three, but still not better than:

kobe, nash, gasol (or his replacement in trade), mwp, followed by huge cap space and the most attractive market and franchise in basketball.

he'd have to really hate kobe, nash, dantonit, or the organization to turn down more money for any of those options, imo.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:00 am

Hell yes he stays, is this even a question? Haven't we all seen the commercial on TWSN with him in awe and agreeing with Mitch saying his jersey will be on the "wall" too? :man1:
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby revgen on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:32 am

According to D12's former coach, who stays in contact with him...

Van Gundy said. "I think if they can stay healthy, by late January you'll have a pretty good indication of whether or not things are working."

All Van Gundy will have to do to find out is to check his phone.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-bolch-lakers-howard-20121230,0,5910828.story

I don't see D12 sticking around if he's not comfortable with the situation here.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby therealdeal on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:33 am

The answer to this question is another question: where could he go where he has a better chance of winning AND a better chance to make more money?

Dallas? Atlanta?

Nowhere else in the league will he be able to make the amount of money he can expect here. Nowhere else in the league can he find an equal opportunity to win and win soon. This is it. He's a Laker now for a long time.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:36 am

^^You are basing that on the current ability to sign free agents.... Other locations are available but it would require trades. As we have seen in the recent past... it's not above him to try and persuade his employer to trade him.....
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby revgen on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:37 am

Atlanta will have the cap room to sign CP3 and D12 if both wanted to go there. Oh, and they also have Horford under contract too. So you could theoretically see a D12, CP3, Horford lineup in Atlanta.

D12's people made it clear during Dwightmare that D12 had concerns about the Lakers "old lineup". Injuries to Nash, and Pau's lingering issues certainly don't help to change that POV. Playing with younger stars like CP3 and Horford may be more appealing to D12. Also, he's an Atlanta native, so playing in his hometown is a plus too.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:39 am

therealdeal wrote:The answer to this question is another question: where could he go where he has a better chance of winning AND a better chance to make more money?

Dallas? Atlanta?

Nowhere else in the league will he be able to make the amount of money he can expect here. Nowhere else in the league can he find an equal opportunity to win and win soon. This is it. He's a Laker now for a long time.


But IF we don't make the playoffs, one could reasonably conclude this roster has too many flaws to win as currently constructed. If that is the perception held by D12, then the Lakers would not be a good place to be as they have no building blocks and multiple toxic contracts. So he'd be the centerpiece of a rebuilding franchise. I don't think he really wants that (unless, he doesn't care because of the money).

He would have a better chance to win in the long term, going to a team that has some pieces. Perhaps not win right away, but, in a better situation to win.

I'm not a cap or rules expert but, isn't a sign/trade also a potential option if he wants out to go play for a contender but wants the money? That way, we get something at least.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby Finwë on Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:38 am

Yeah. Unless something catastrophic happens, like, we miss the playoffs and the fans riot and he's cussed out by a lot of people, he's staying. Makes too much sense.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby trodgers on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:08 pm

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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby dj vitus on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:15 pm

KB24 wrote:Even if he leaves, the trade was right and I would neither be mad nor sad.

Well now if he bolted for Miami or Boston that would make you, me, and everyone else mad. :man10:
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby Juronimo on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:31 pm

I don't think it's as nearly a sure thing that many assume it to be.

I find things in his body language that tell me that he's not happy, and his interaction with Kobe on the court seems non existent, no hi fives or anything like that. I can't speculate on their relationship but if they're not getting along, then that is an issue for Dwight to stay here. We all know he's not happy with our D and I wonder how he feels about playing with D'Antoni.

We know he can make more here but if you look at Lebron in Cleveland, he left Cleveland for on less year and a million less per season so you never know.

I think if we at least make the finals he stays but if we miss the playoffs or are one and done, then he's gone. You can call me a pessimist but I would not put money that he stays. I hope he does but I'm not counting on it at this time.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby JGC on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:33 pm

^ Well, I think a lot of that stems more from hope than analysis. Honestly, I feel like this season we playing to keep Dwight Howard more than we are a championship. Unless we start dominating soon, I hope we just figure out whatever we need to do to placate Howard so he signs long term with this team.

If he's gone, the window is absolutely closed. Sucks.
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Re: LQOTD: Will Dwight Re-Sign?

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:38 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^You are basing that on the current ability to sign free agents.... Other locations are available but it would require trades. As we have seen in the recent past... it's not above him to try and persuade his employer to trade him.....


What are the rules now with sign and trade if you're a team over the cap? Is that still an option.....thought I had read that had changed to punish the Lakers......errrrrrr.....the "teams" in that situation?
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