Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby abeer3 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:12 am

i don't know what to say; it's not going to go well for the lakers in the short term (like next 2-3 years, minimum). despite your claims, Cuban's one of, if not the, best owners in the business, and his team has already gone through some rough patches and looks to face more.

the idea that there's something super special about the lakers that will prevent this is unrealistic. they had thirty million dollars and a far superior city and just lost the second biggest FA to walk in the last decade. pair that with the dearth of quality FAs coming available soon and the dearth of trade assets on this team, and you've got a long rebuild.

as for the failure quote, I can't remember where it was. it was in an interview after the national press picked up the "better off without him" quote out of context and ran with it as you have in this thread.
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:07 am

abeer3 wrote:i don't know what to say; it's not going to go well for the lakers in the short term (like next 2-3 years, minimum). despite your claims, Cuban's one of, if not the, best owners in the business, and his team has already gone through some rough patches and looks to face more.

the idea that there's something super special about the lakers that will prevent this is unrealistic. they had thirty million dollars and a far superior city and just lost the second biggest FA to walk in the last decade. pair that with the dearth of quality FAs coming available soon and the dearth of trade assets on this team, and you've got a long rebuild.

as for the failure quote, I can't remember where it was. it was in an interview after the national press picked up the "better off without him" quote out of context and ran with it as you have in this thread.


and just what makes him such a "good" owner? Just cause he's always in the spot light runnning his mouth? He was one of the main dbag who complained and cried to Stern when we made that Cp3 trade and was probably all for this new cba restriction thinking it would bring LA down a notch and now its come back and bit him in the arse big time. There's plenty of good owners in this league but they dont need to get their name out there and make outlandish comments time and time again, their results speak for themselves. I never see anyone praise or give props to SA owner, their management yes but hardly ever hear a peep out of that owner but yet results show time and time again over this loud mouth.
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:12 am

abeer3 wrote:i don't know what to say; it's not going to go well for the lakers in the short term (like next 2-3 years, minimum). despite your claims, Cuban's one of, if not the, best owners in the business, and his team has already gone through some rough patches and looks to face more.

the idea that there's something super special about the lakers that will prevent this is unrealistic. they had thirty million dollars and a far superior city and just lost the second biggest FA to walk in the last decade. pair that with the dearth of quality FAs coming available soon and the dearth of trade assets on this team, and you've got a long rebuild.

as for the failure quote, I can't remember where it was. it was in an interview after the national press picked up the "better off without him" quote out of context and ran with it as you have in this thread.


How dare you pollute the euphoria of our offseason with this mean and hateful diatribe...... If and when we make a good move you should have to explain yourself fully to those here that are "true fans" and look at the entire NBA world as the Lakers and everyone who is out to get us......

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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:34 am

again, Roo, with such negativity or as you put realism, why dont you just stop being a fan altogether since there's nothing but doom and failure in our future? :man1:
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby trodgers on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:42 am

Here's a good start (from Wikipedia):

In the 20 years before Cuban bought the team, the Mavericks had a winning percentage of 40%, and playoff record of 21–32.[63][64] In the ten years following, the team won 69% of their regular season games and reached the playoffs in each of those seasons. The Mavericks' playoff record with Cuban is 49 wins and 57 losses, including their first trip to the NBA Finals in 2006, where they lost to the Miami Heat.[65] On June 12, 2011, the Dallas Mavericks defeated the Miami Heat to win the NBA Finals. Historically, NBA team owners publicly play more passive roles and watch basketball games from skyboxes; Cuban sits alongside fans while donning team jerseys. Cuban travels in his Gulfstream V to attend road games.[66]


He has created a winner from a losing franchise. Not LA good, but a good team.
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Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:53 am

trodgers wrote:Here's a good start (from Wikipedia):

In the 20 years before Cuban bought the team, the Mavericks had a winning percentage of 40%, and playoff record of 21–32.[63][64] In the ten years following, the team won 69% of their regular season games and reached the playoffs in each of those seasons. The Mavericks' playoff record with Cuban is 49 wins and 57 losses, including their first trip to the NBA Finals in 2006, where they lost to the Miami Heat.[65] On June 12, 2011, the Dallas Mavericks defeated the Miami Heat to win the NBA Finals. Historically, NBA team owners publicly play more passive roles and watch basketball games from skyboxes; Cuban sits alongside fans while donning team jerseys. Cuban travels in his Gulfstream V to attend road games.[66]


He has created a winner from a losing franchise. Not LA good, but a good team.


OKC owner did practically the same thing since buying the team oh but thats right, since the owner isn't out there sitting next to his players running his mouth off at the refs, fans, opposing players and to the media nobody knows of him besides being the greedy dbag who stole the team away from Sea.
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:13 am

^^ :man10: :man10: You do know the history of that franchise right?..... They had a championship and a few HOF players/coaches. Durant was chosen by the previous regime as well....

How are their moves to get Perkins, pay Ibake instead of Harden and letting Martin go working out for them?....
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:19 am

I don't know whats happening in this thread any more but

1. Cuban is a douche, but a good owner. Not great, but definitely good and among the better ones out there. Remember: there's teams like Charlotte, Milwaukee, Detriot, Phoenix, Minnesota, Sacramento, and New Orleans who have either not won a Championship, haven't been close, or haven't been relevant in close to a decade. Cuban makes moves, he makes an effort, and he tries harder than most. He makes a lot of mistakes too, but he's not a bad owner.

2. I'm of the mind that the Lakers aren't in for the darkest of times like people think. Some time within the next 2-3 years this team will again be among the top teams in the League and I don't have any questions with that. Something to think about: the team lost it's heart and soul OF COURSE there's going to be some rough patches to get through. Dr. Buss was everything to this team. BUT the team already recognizes it's flaws, now it's about fixing them. Those answers will come, I have no doubts about that. Patience.

3. Oklahoma City hit the jackpot for about 3 years with their draft picks. Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden? That team should have been among the great young teams of the new generation. Instead the owner balked at giving Harden his deal, sent him away and has now leveled himself with the playing field. Not exactly great ownership. But he too is NOT bad, just not great. We as Laker fans are extremely spoiled by the Busses.
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:20 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^ :man10: :man10: You do know the history of that franchise right?..... They had a championship and a few HOF players/coaches. Durant was chosen by the previous regime as well....

How are their moves to get Perkins, pay Ibake instead of Harden and letting Martin go working out for them?....


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Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:25 am

therealdeal wrote:3. Oklahoma City hit the jackpot for about 3 years with their draft picks. Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden? That team should have been among the great young teams of the new generation. Instead the owner balked at giving Harden his deal, sent him away and has now leveled himself with the playing field. Not exactly great ownership. But he too is NOT bad, just not great. We as Laker fans are extremely spoiled by the Busses.


and Cuban blew up a defending championship team in hopes of chasing his star studded dream team, didn't pay Nash cause he thought he was too old at the time,and he lucked out in 2011 with Chandler emergence and that might not have even happened had it not been for Haywoods injury. My point, there's plenty of "good" owners in this league, Cuban seems to get tagged easily with that title without faults because he's always in the spot light with his moronic comments and sideline antics.
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:29 am

khmrP wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^ :man10: :man10: You do know the history of that franchise right?..... They had a championship and a few HOF players/coaches. Durant was chosen by the previous regime as well....

How are their moves to get Perkins, pay Ibake instead of Harden and letting Martin go working out for them?....


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What does that have to do with your comment alluding that the OKC owner had done what Cuban had done.... which was take a historic loser to a winner? Seattle was a very good franchise for a long time. In fact the worst they ever were is when they were sold and moved. Dallas was a horrible franchise for a long time and the only real success they have had is under Cuban.

I pointed out that Durant was chosen prior to the sale and move.... how is that related to Cuban having Dirk on that team when he bought it when your assertion was that OKC "did essentially the same thing". Are you saying having Dirk is equal to having Durant and that the only reason Cuban's teams have been successful is because of Dirk?..... that would seem to defeat your entire argument wouldn't it?
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby therealdeal on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:31 am

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therealdeal wrote:3. Oklahoma City hit the jackpot for about 3 years with their draft picks. Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden? That team should have been among the great young teams of the new generation. Instead the owner balked at giving Harden his deal, sent him away and has now leveled himself with the playing field. Not exactly great ownership. But he too is NOT bad, just not great. We as Laker fans are extremely spoiled by the Busses.


and Cuban blew up a defending championship team in hopes of chasing his star studded dream team, didn't pay Nash cause he thought he was too old at the time,and he lucked out in 2011 with Chandler emergence and that might not have even happened had it not been for Haywoods injury. My point, there's plenty of "good" owners in this league, Cuban seems to get tagged easily with that title without faults because he's always in the spot light with his moronic comments and sideline antics.

I'm not saying Cuban is perfect. In the paragraph before this one I explained how he's NOT perfect. I never said he was great, I said he was good. Look around the League and compare him to his peers, not just to the Lakers or the Heat and you'll find him stacking up fairly positively. I don't think there's a lot of "good" owners. I think there's mostly adequate to below adequate owners, a handful of good ones, and of those only a couple great ones.

I find that Cuban being in the spot light makes him more polarizing, but I don't know that it makes him a better owner or anything. It's nice that he's so accessible and I think that makes him likable, but I don't think his buffoonery makes him seem like a good owner. I think his ability to adapt and spend money make him a good owner.
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Re: Mark Cuban Discusses Poor Fit Between Mavs and Chris Kaman

Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:33 am

Rooscooter wrote:
khmrP wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^ :man10: :man10: You do know the history of that franchise right?..... They had a championship and a few HOF players/coaches. Durant was chosen by the previous regime as well....

How are their moves to get Perkins, pay Ibake instead of Harden and letting Martin go working out for them?....


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What does that have to do with your comment alluding that the OKC owner had done what Cuban had done.... which was take a historic loser to a winner? Seattle was a very good franchise for a long time. In fact the worst they ever were is when they were sold and moved. Dallas was a horrible franchise for a long time and the only real success they have had is under Cuban.

I pointed out that Durant was chosen prior to the sale and move.... how is that related to Cuban having Dirk on that team when he bought it when your assertion was that OKC "did essentially the same thing". Are you saying having Dirk is equal to having Durant and that the only reason Cuban's teams have been successful is because of Dirk?..... that would seem to defeat your entire argument wouldn't it?


your point is wrong with Durant, Bennet bought the team in 2006, Durant was drafted in 2007. Tell me where Dall would be w/o Dirk then? All Cubans done since dirk is over pay to a mass a collection of talent that didn't fit at times and the one time he finally gets it right he blows it up. Even when he did get it right it was by accident, if it wasn't for Haywood injury, Chandler would not have been an integral part of that champion team. Point being, there's several good owners out there who has done as much as Cuban but because they dont sit next to the players, goes on public rants and yells and screams at the ref they dont get notice as much as Cuban does.
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Postby trodgers on Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:27 am

Lots of lucking out for Cuban. I'd like to see OKC make a good decision before I called their owner good.
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:36 pm

khmrP wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
khmrP wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^ :man10: :man10: You do know the history of that franchise right?..... They had a championship and a few HOF players/coaches. Durant was chosen by the previous regime as well....

How are their moves to get Perkins, pay Ibake instead of Harden and letting Martin go working out for them?....


Cuban Bought Team in 2000
Dirk career started in 98 :man12:


What does that have to do with your comment alluding that the OKC owner had done what Cuban had done.... which was take a historic loser to a winner? Seattle was a very good franchise for a long time. In fact the worst they ever were is when they were sold and moved. Dallas was a horrible franchise for a long time and the only real success they have had is under Cuban.

I pointed out that Durant was chosen prior to the sale and move.... how is that related to Cuban having Dirk on that team when he bought it when your assertion was that OKC "did essentially the same thing". Are you saying having Dirk is equal to having Durant and that the only reason Cuban's teams have been successful is because of Dirk?..... that would seem to defeat your entire argument wouldn't it?


your point is wrong with Durant, Bennet bought the team in 2006, Durant was drafted in 2007. Tell me where Dall would be w/o Dirk then? All Cubans done since dirk is over pay to a mass a collection of talent that didn't fit at times and the one time he finally gets it right he blows it up. Even when he did get it right it was by accident, if it wasn't for Haywood injury, Chandler would not have been an integral part of that champion team. Point being, there's several good owners out there who has done as much as Cuban but because they dont sit next to the players, goes on public rants and yells and screams at the ref they dont get notice as much as Cuban does.


Seems like your reaching in your hate just a bit.

George Steinbrenner did OK micro managing, yelling and being generally a pain in the butt.....

If just don't like him leave it that...... Otherwise it's getting a little old and harder to believe each post you make.
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