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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:10 pm

revgen wrote:1) I say it is.

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Postby revgen on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:34 pm

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revgen wrote:1) I say it is.

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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby revgen on Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:36 pm

Lakerjones wrote:If I'm being completely honest, I think Ramona dropping that whole Melo and Bron as targets is some PR cover from the front office (let's be real - Jim) as a way to cover themselves after losing Dwight. I don't think they really believe that they can pull it off. Maybe they hope so, but I think it's incredibly long shot type thinking. Realistically, the 2015 agents look more likely. Personally I'd like to get Melo, but I don't see him leaving NY which was always his preferred destination. I don't see Bronze coming here at all.


Bingo. But I don't think it's entirely PR. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

I don't agree about Melo though. The guy has been a complete disappointment in the postseason throughout his career. Lebron at least learned how to deliver in the postseason as he's gotten older. Melo, not so much.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:41 pm

revgen wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:If I'm being completely honest, I think Ramona dropping that whole Melo and Bron as targets is some PR cover from the front office (let's be real - Jim) as a way to cover themselves after losing Dwight. I don't think they really believe that they can pull it off. Maybe they hope so, but I think it's incredibly long shot type thinking. Realistically, the 2015 agents look more likely. Personally I'd like to get Melo, but I don't see him leaving NY which was always his preferred destination. I don't see Bronze coming here at all.


Bingo. But I don't think it's entirely PR. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

I don't agree about Melo though. The guy has been a complete disappointment in the postseason throughout his career. Lebron at least learned how to deliver in the postseason as he's gotten older. Melo, not so much.


I get what you're saying about Melo, revgen. I know he's not everyone's cup of tea. He's a high volume, not so high percentage shooter, but I've always been a fan of his offensive talent. I think alongside someone like Kobe who he likes and respects, he could perhaps learn how to take it all the way at the NBA level. He was monstrous in that NCAA championship game for Syracuse, but admittedly that was quite some time ago and not the same level of competition. But he did put the team on his shoulders and got it done.

I get your hesitancy though. And I am very doubtful he would give up New York which was the place he always wanted to be. If he did choose to join Kobe here in LA I think it would be a step up from him in terms of maturity and desire to win. I'm not betting it will happen though.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:27 pm

revgen wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
revgen wrote:1) I say it is.

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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Thenextgreat on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:43 pm

Neither will happen..close thread
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:51 pm

Thenextgreat wrote:Neither will happen..close thread

Oh okay since you said so.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:39 pm

I don't think we need Melo or Lebron, or any of the young RFA's for us to have a successful retool.. There are some very good vets that will be unrestricted that fit with our weaknesses.. A healthy Deng or Granger could be huge for this team, then you have Bosh, who of course is likely to stay, but who knows, maybe Indiana or the Nets steamroll the Heat & Bosh gets the blame & wants out. Crazier things have happened. A couple vet bigs in Dirk & Z-Bo that aren't guaranteed to stay with their teams/get big offers from their teams at their age. With Dirk especially, as I think Monta will chuck them right into the lottery & Cuban, love him or hate him, is the type to tell Dirk to go get himself a ring somewhere else while they tank & rebuild..

Another guy I could see us making a run at is Gortat.. He knows how to work with Nash & would give us the defensive anchor we need hopefully without breaking the bank, & would be a great compliment next to Love if that ever materializes..

I'm especially intrigued with the idea of Deng or Granger.. Both guys should seemingly be available on reasonable deals, both teams have young wings ready to take over in George & Jimmy Butler.. I don't think it's farfetched at all to think 1 or both of them will be wearing a different jersey after next summer. Just 1 signing like that probably isn't enough to put us right back in contention but we'd be a step closer, & be ready to roll out the welcome mat for Love or LMA in 2015. Or possibly Rondo if we're more in need of a guard at that point. I'm sure I'll get quoted & told how unrealistic all this is but it's hard not to get excited about all of the possibilities.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Center Court on Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:07 am

lakersin4 wrote:I don't think we need Melo or Lebron, or any of the young RFA's for us to have a successful retool.. There are some very good vets that will be unrestricted that fit with our weaknesses.. A healthy Deng or Granger could be huge for this team, then you have Bosh, who of course is likely to stay, but who knows, maybe Indiana or the Nets steamroll the Heat & Bosh gets the blame & wants out. Crazier things have happened. A couple vet bigs in Dirk & Z-Bo that aren't guaranteed to stay with their teams/get big offers from their teams at their age. With Dirk especially, as I think Monta will chuck them right into the lottery & Cuban, love him or hate him, is the type to tell Dirk to go get himself a ring somewhere else while they tank & rebuild..

Another guy I could see us making a run at is Gortat.. He knows how to work with Nash & would give us the defensive anchor we need hopefully without breaking the bank, & would be a great compliment next to Love if that ever materializes..

I'm especially intrigued with the idea of Deng or Granger.. Both guys should seemingly be available on reasonable deals, both teams have young wings ready to take over in George & Jimmy Butler.. I don't think it's farfetched at all to think 1 or both of them will be wearing a different jersey after next summer. Just 1 signing like that probably isn't enough to put us right back in contention but we'd be a step closer, & be ready to roll out the welcome mat for Love or LMA in 2015. Or possibly Rondo if we're more in need of a guard at that point. I'm sure I'll get quoted & told how unrealistic all this is but it's hard not to get excited about all of the possibilities.



Oh yes, because Gortat/LMA/Granger/Kobe/Nash is the dynasty we've been trying to rebuild.

Losing Dwight was a big blow. Losing out on CP3 was catastrophic, but you can see that trying to build the next great team. No way in hell are we going to sign Gortat and Granger or Deng with our cap space.

I've said it before, Lakers plan was to build a young more athletic team around Kobe/Dwight/Pau/Nash.

Had everything else happened the way it did, we could very well have

Dwight/Hill
Pau/(Odom?)
(Wright-mMLE?)/Johnson
Kobe/Young/Meeks
Nash/Blake/Farmar

We would have kept that team together on one year deals, then swing for LeBron/Melo. If we didn't get either, we'd bring back the core but round out the bench and then clear room again around Dwight without Nash/Hill on the books and put together a Dwight/Love/Rondo core.

But at no point is FO going to look at this core without Dwight and think it can compete with guys like Granger or Dneg or Gortat. In the scenario I presented above it'd be easy to compete for a title now while also being able to build that next great Laker decade. If your pitch, we'd be stuck as mediocre for a long long time.

At this point, we are not going to spend the money we have unless it's got the potential to set us up for future dominance.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:32 am

There is 3 and maybe a 4th UFA that I think we should go after...

1.) Lance Stephenson - A ton of upside and potential
2.) Kyle Lowry - Not a top tier PG, but a good one.
3.) Loul Deng - If Kobe is going to win another ring, we need a lock down perimeter player.
4.) Danny Granger - Only if healthy and he shows it this upcoming season.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:51 am

Doc Brown wrote:There is 3 and maybe a 4th UFA that I think we should go after...

1.) Lance Stephenson - A ton of upside and potential
2.) Kyle Lowry - Not a top tier PG, but a good one.
3.) Loul Deng - If Kobe is going to win another ring, we need a lock down perimeter player.
4.) Danny Granger - Only if healthy and he shows it this upcoming season.

From these guys I'd take Deng for sure. Stephenson would be nice, but I honestly would rather see Nick Young work out for us since he already is here and shows a great love for the Lakers.

Lowry I liked in Houston, since going to Toronto my opinion on him has changed. He seems to be injury prone and his game hasn't grown much if at all over there. Now to be fair that could be because it's Toronto, but if we get him, I'd hope it's for cheap.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:24 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:There is 3 and maybe a 4th UFA that I think we should go after...

1.) Lance Stephenson - A ton of upside and potential
2.) Kyle Lowry - Not a top tier PG, but a good one.
3.) Loul Deng - If Kobe is going to win another ring, we need a lock down perimeter player.
4.) Danny Granger - Only if healthy and he shows it this upcoming season.

From these guys I'd take Deng for sure. Stephenson would be nice, but I honestly would rather see Nick Young work out for us since he already is here and shows a great love for the Lakers.

Lowry I liked in Houston, since going to Toronto my opinion on him has changed. He seems to be injury prone and his game hasn't grown much if at all over there. Now to be fair that could be because it's Toronto, but if we get him, I'd hope it's for cheap.


Stephenson I want for sure. At 22 years old, he's the youngest guy we could lock up without any RFA BS. He looks like a guy that is just going to keep getting better and better. He's young and still makes mistakes and doesn't have the mental aspect of the game down yet, but I love the way he plays. NIce defender and his offensive game is coming around.

Deng comes in next. He's only 28 and he's another lock down defender we need on the perimeter. Having him and Stephenson would alleviate so much pressure off Kobe, as he would get matched up with the 3rd best perimeter player and most likely not an offensive threat.

Lowry would only be on a small deal for me. I think he gets paid more than that, but I'm not sold on him as he only shoots 40% from the field for his career and has only played 82 games once in his career.

Granger, I used to be all for, but he will be on the other side of 30 this year and with a knee problem that kept him out all last season, I think it's best to go for younger talent. Unless he proves healthy and it's a short deal.

I want Stephenson and Deng. Resign Young/Johnson/Farmar/Hill, if they work out for us this year. But for sure save space to go after LMA or Love in 2015 and roll with that team.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:48 pm

I'm not sold that team has enough offensive power though. As a team there's offense there, but I think there's not enough offense from one guy. We would need a guy who can be a prolific scorer on that team.

I like Stephenson too. I've been high on him for the last two years, but I think he ends up sticking around in Indiana or some team gives him a juicy pay day. If we could get him for 4 million or something like that, then I'd take him hands down. Otherwise... I'm not sold.

I'd love a guard/forward rotation of:
Kobe/Young
Deng/Johnson

though. That'd be a lot of fun to watch I think. The problem would be when Kobe retires we've got a ton of issues scoring the ball.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:01 pm

I really like what you're talking about Doc. I was all in for Granger IF we were able to keep Howard. If that had been the case I thought we could trade Pau for Granger and maybe even get Stephenson as well to make the salaries work. However, since Howard is gone and we're keeping Pau, we definitely need to keep our sights on a SF. Trading Pau for Granger I thought was worth the risk concerning his knees. But if we are signing RFA's instead I'd prefer Deng. I was also feeling that Granger's three point shooting would work well with Howard, but since D12 is gone, I'd rather go with Deng's defense.

Stephenson is a nice young player as I talked about and I'd love to get him. Like the idea of getting those guys and going after LMA or Love in 2015.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby lakersin4 on Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:26 pm

I like Stephenson too but I feel like Indiana will let Granger walk & pay Stephenson rather than letting Stephenson walk.. Didn't know Lowry was unrestricted, would love to get him if we can do it cheaply.
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Postby Center Court on Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:34 pm

Lakerjones wrote:I really like what you're talking about Doc. I was all in for Granger IF we were able to keep Howard. If that had been the case I thought we could trade Pau for Granger and maybe even get Stephenson as well to make the salaries work. However, since Howard is gone and we're keeping Pau, we definitely need to keep our sights on a SF. Trading Pau for Granger I thought was worth the risk concerning his knees. But if we are signing RFA's instead I'd prefer Deng. I was also feeling that Granger's three point shooting would work well with Howard, but since D12 is gone, I'd rather go with Deng's defense.

Stephenson is a nice young player as I talked about and I'd love to get him. Like the idea of getting those guys and going after LMA or Love in 2015.



The Lakers are not looking to build a team that can marginally contend for a year or 2. They are looking to put together that new dynasty ala Magic/Kareem, Shaq/Kobe, Kobe/Pau.

Maybe I am wrong but IMO, their eyes are not set are Kobe's 6th. They are looking at who can be our next 3 peat.
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Postby JSM on Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:36 pm

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Carmelo Anthony said yesterday he thinks his title window is closing http://cbsprt.co/1b3Innw

Groundwork for him leaving NY to come to LA?
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:46 pm

His title window is closing because he can barely scrape together 40% shooting in the playoffs, while taking 24-25 shots a game and playing 40 minutes a game contributing next to nothing besides inefficient scoring.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:52 pm

^^When was it realistically open?

He may get one but it will have to be in a supporting role... he isn't going to do it if he's the scoring leader on a team.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:07 pm

Doc Brown wrote:His title window is closing because he can barely scrape together 40% shooting in the playoffs, while taking 24-25 shots a game and playing 40 minutes a game contributing next to nothing besides inefficient scoring.

I think upgrading from JR Smith to Kobe solves alot of problems for Melo.. He'll be much better when he doesn't have to be the man all the time & can pick his spots.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:12 pm

His motor has slowed down a little, but he could still lead the right team to a title.

Being #2 would help him, or being co-#1 with Kobe.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 04, 2013 1:57 pm

^^his "production" comes from dominating the ball. He and Kobe together isn't a good thing IMO. He's also become primarily a jump shooter these days and his % is dropping from distance every year.

I disagree with him being a co-number one (what ever that means anyway). Coming off the bench as a scorer when the leader is on the bench is where I think his chance will come..... not as a primary focus of an offense. As Doc Pointed out.... his ability to play against defenses focused on him when the going gets tough is limited.
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Postby Damian Necronamous on Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:12 pm

We don't need to get one of these guys to put together a solid team in 2014.

Kobe: $45m/3yrs
Pau: $24m/2yrs
Nash: Keep him for one more year

Sign...
Luol Deng: $44m/4yrs
Ed Davis: $24m/4yrs
Jordan Hill: $15m/3yrs

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+Jordan Farmar and Nick Young

Steve Nash // Jordan Farmar
Kobe Bryant // Nick Young
Luol Deng
Ed Davis
Pau Gasol // Jordan Hill

The next summer, you make a run at Kevin Love and LaMarcus Aldridge and deal Pau and his one remaining year to another team if you need to clear space.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:18 pm

^^Pau's a FA next summer I believe.... this is his "expiring year".
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby HighlyFavored on Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:27 pm

Carmelo Anthony admitted “my window is closing” and that he’s “trying to bring a championship to New York ASAP.”

But the clock is ticking on Anthony’s career as well as his time in New York. The All-Star forward can become a free agent on July 1, and he will almost certainly opt out of his contract because it makes financial sense.

The Knicks can offer Anthony the most money but the Los Angeles Lakers will be players in the free-agent market next summer and there has already been talk of Anthony joining Kobe Bryant, and even Anthony and LeBron James joining forces in the purple and gold.

“As far as ruling anything out, I haven’t even, to be honest with you, thought about anything past today,” Anthony said on Saturday in Queens, where he was hosting a youth camp. “My mind is not even thinking about next season, next offseason right now. I’m just trying to do what I do this offseason to get right, work out, train and get right and prepare myself for this season. When that time comes, I’ll deal with that.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z2b2fEV4ZS


hmmm for some reason I still cant get out my head how Melo was spotted having dinner with Kobe in Newport Beach near Kobe house the day after Dwight announced he was signing with the Rockets...
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