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Postby Lakerjones on Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:31 pm

As I've said before, I'd take Melo. We need someone. Badly. Just not sure he'd leave his beloved New York to play here. I wouldn't count on it.
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Postby noobiew on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:29 pm

Did people know that New York Knicks can offer up to a 5 years 131 million deal over other teams which could only offer a 4 years 97 million to Melo ? I just don't see how any team could top that, he's will chased for the max money, he's not leaving NY imo.

But nevertheless I don't want Melo in 2014 for a max-deal, he maybe have two more years left for his prime and soon he's gonna entering his decline phase in 2014, so Melo to the Lakers just doesn't make any sense to me.
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Postby lakersin4 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:43 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^his "production" comes from dominating the ball. He and Kobe together isn't a good thing IMO. He's also become primarily a jump shooter these days and his % is dropping from distance every year.

I disagree with him being a co-number one (what ever that means anyway). Coming off the bench as a scorer when the leader is on the bench is where I think his chance will come..... not as a primary focus of an offense. As Doc Pointed out.... his ability to play against defenses focused on him when the going gets tough is limited.

I agree, I don't think we'd win if we needed Melo to put up 1B type numbers. He has to be a clear 2nd option like Pau was. 19-22 PPG with much higher efficiency than he's ever had in his career is what I'd like to get from Melo. Not so much because I don't think you can win with Melo as a 1st option, but more because if we need Kobe & Melo both putting up 25 PPG or more, chances are the rest of our team sucks. If we have a solid cast of role players that fit, Melo as a #2 can be good enough to get us rings.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:45 pm

noobiew wrote:Did people know that New York Knicks can offer up to a 5 years 131 million deal over other teams which could only offer a 4 years 97 million to Melo ? I just don't see how any team could top that, he's will chased for the max money, he's not leaving NY imo.

But nevertheless I don't want Melo in 2014 for a max-deal, he maybe have two more years left for his prime and soon he's gonna entering his decline phase in 2014, so Melo to the Lakers just doesn't make any sense to me.

You realize Dwight Howard left for 88 million when he could have had 118?
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby noobiew on Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:22 pm

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noobiew wrote:Did people know that New York Knicks can offer up to a 5 years 131 million deal over other teams which could only offer a 4 years 97 million to Melo ? I just don't see how any team could top that, he's will chased for the max money, he's not leaving NY imo.

But nevertheless I don't want Melo in 2014 for a max-deal, he maybe have two more years left for his prime and soon he's gonna entering his decline phase in 2014, so Melo to the Lakers just doesn't make any sense to me.


You realize Dwight Howard left for 88 million when he could have had 118?


That's a different case to me, I believed there were many factors leading the departure of Dwight Howard other than money, first Howard wasn't happy playing in LA, after signed with Houston, he told reporters that he wants to have some fun and enjoy playing basketball, and he said he found it in Houston. During his tenure with us, Howard already make it known to the public that he didn't like coach Mike and wanted Phil Jackson so it's up to whether Jimbo wanted to make the changes or not, I think this was the biggest reason and played the major role in his decision on why he left the Lakers. I also believe that Dwight Howard wasn't thrilled playing with Kobe Bryant because he wanted to have his own team which wasn't about to happen anytime soon in LA, he wanted to be the primary "guy" on a franchise. Not to mention that Howard also left to Texas which didn't have to pay any state tax which would could save him few millions compare living in California.

Melo is in New York now, the biggest market in the NBA, I doubt he take the less (4 years 97 million) to come to the Lakers and be a 2nd offensive option on the team where else he could be a primary guy for a franchise in the New York.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby charvin on Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:10 pm

noobiew wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
noobiew wrote:Did people know that New York Knicks can offer up to a 5 years 131 million deal over other teams which could only offer a 4 years 97 million to Melo ? I just don't see how any team could top that, he's will chased for the max money, he's not leaving NY imo.

But nevertheless I don't want Melo in 2014 for a max-deal, he maybe have two more years left for his prime and soon he's gonna entering his decline phase in 2014, so Melo to the Lakers just doesn't make any sense to me.


You realize Dwight Howard left for 88 million when he could have had 118?


That's a different case to me, I believed there were many factors leading the departure of Dwight Howard other than money, first Howard wasn't happy playing in LA, after signed with Houston, he told reporters that he wants to have some fun and enjoy playing basketball, and he said he found it in Houston. During his tenure with us, Howard already make it known to the public that he didn't like coach Mike and wanted Phil Jackson so it's up to whether Jimbo wanted to make the changes or not, I think this was the biggest reason and played the major role in his decision on why he left the Lakers. I also believe that Dwight Howard wasn't thrilled playing with Kobe Bryant because he wanted to have his own team which wasn't about to happen anytime soon in LA, he wanted to be the primary "guy" on a franchise. Not to mention that Howard also left to Texas which didn't have to pay any state tax which would could save him few millions compare living in California.

Melo is in New York now, the biggest market in the NBA, I doubt he take the less (4 years 97 million) to come to the Lakers and be a 2nd offensive option on the team where else he could be a primary guy for a franchise in the New York.


Most of the reasons you listed why Dwight bolted could be why Carmelo follows suit :man3:
Dwight left LA, one of the biggest markets in the NBA and took less money to go to Houston, a small city, where, even with the no tax in place, will not give him as lucrative offers from sponsors. Granted, sponsors will come to you if you're attractive, but you move from a very attractive place to one where they go "Huh?" and that might bring in less, IMO.
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Carmelo is in NY, but no one can speak for him. What's to say that he is happy right now? His current plan of making it work with Amare never panned out (and probably won't for this year either) and a better option may be to play in LA for less money, with the opportunity that he might get a better supporting cast - we won't know what this team will look like as of next year due to the hyped up 2014 FA frenzy. This option is taking Pau's route - being THE man never won him squat, he is 0-5 (I think) in the playoffs and has been swept in every playoff series without Kobe. He came here, became 1B/supporter instead of the man, and was more successful than he ever was in Memphis.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Sirron on Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:11 pm

Houston is small :man10:

Snaq said it, and people believe it.
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Postby Center Court on Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:11 pm

^^^^ And we all kept saying how stupid Dwight is or leaving the team witht he bigger market who could also rebuild 100% around him after 1 more year.

That's Melo''s (and Bron's) position. NY will have max space in 2015. SO yeah, maybe he puts up with 1 more year but then they can go after Rondo, Hibbert, LMA, Love, etc.

Why leave that? For 1 year of playing with Kobe? Unless Bron comes, it ain't happening.
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Postby lakersin4 on Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:23 am

noobiew wrote:Did people know that New York Knicks can offer up to a 5 years 131 million deal over other teams which could only offer a 4 years 97 million to Melo ? I just don't see how any team could top that, he's will chased for the max money, he's not leaving NY imo.

But nevertheless I don't want Melo in 2014 for a max-deal, he maybe have two more years left for his prime and soon he's gonna entering his decline phase in 2014, so Melo to the Lakers just doesn't make any sense to me.

He's made more money so far in his career than Lebron had when he took a paycut to give himself the best chance to win.. That went pretty well for Lebron so far, so I wouldn't be surprised if Melo is willing to take less money for a better chance at winning rings. The main obstacle I see in acquiring Melo is that he's already in a big market that he seems to really love. But then again we just watched the best C in the league walk from the mecca of great C's.. This generation of players is different, the loyalty isn't there like it used to be.. Having said that, we know Melo & Kobe are friends & I'm sure he's going to attempt to talk Kobe into joining him with a better supporting cast in NY before he considers jumping ship.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Pig Miller on Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:11 am

i may be in the minority, but I do not want to saddle this franchise with 4 or 5 years of melo making $20M.

paying him through the first half of his 30's at that rate is crazy, especially when he's not a top 5 player and will likely be on the decline during the latter half of that contract.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby charvin on Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:35 am

Sirron wrote:Houston is small :man10:

Snaq said it, and people believe it.


I am from north of the border, pardon me for not knowing (and researching) that Houston isn't a "small" city :man10:

Center Court wrote:^^^^ And we all kept saying how stupid Dwight is or leaving the team witht he bigger market who could also rebuild 100% around him after 1 more year.

That's Melo''s (and Bron's) position. NY will have max space in 2015. SO yeah, maybe he puts up with 1 more year but then they can go after Rondo, Hibbert, LMA, Love, etc.

Why leave that? For 1 year of playing with Kobe? Unless Bron comes, it ain't happening.


You said it yourself, rebuilding with Dwight takes place 1 year later. Melo gets the chance to build a contender instantly, and not having to wait another year until 2015. It all comes down to that player's mind, does he feel he wants to "waste" another year waiting or not?
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Center Court on Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:55 am

charvin wrote:
Sirron wrote:Houston is small :man10:

Snaq said it, and people believe it.


I am from north of the border, pardon me for not knowing (and researching) that Houston isn't a "small" city :man10:

Center Court wrote:^^^^ And we all kept saying how stupid Dwight is or leaving the team witht he bigger market who could also rebuild 100% around him after 1 more year.

That's Melo''s (and Bron's) position. NY will have max space in 2015. SO yeah, maybe he puts up with 1 more year but then they can go after Rondo, Hibbert, LMA, Love, etc.

Why leave that? For 1 year of playing with Kobe? Unless Bron comes, it ain't happening.


You said it yourself, rebuilding with Dwight takes place 1 year later. Melo gets the chance to build a contender instantly, and not having to wait another year until 2015. It all comes down to that player's mind, does he feel he wants to "waste" another year waiting or not?



that's my point. It's not like he has to sit in NY with some cap loaded team for the next 7 years and watch other superstars join up else where and before he knows it, his era is over. He can play out this season and they'll win a round. Then he can re-up for the MAX and play with relatively the same team and still be a playoff team. THEN, he can recruit others to his dream franchise to play with him. But he doesn't give up the MAX.

For Melo, that's going to be important. It's basically a trade off cost: 1 year of no shot at a ring and MAX, or less guaranteed years but a better shot next year. And if it's just he and Kobe/Gasol/Nash, I'm not sure that we're that much better of a team that'd make him move.

Again, my guess is Melo becomes a Laker if LeBron becomes a Laker.

While we finally have the cap space to rebuild, it's a bad timing. Clearly we're not gonna get Wiggins or any other top 5 prospect. That leaves us as relying on cap space when the big targets are going to most likely stay and the young stars all want to get paid.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:12 am

charvin wrote:
noobiew wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
noobiew wrote:Did people know that New York Knicks can offer up to a 5 years 131 million deal over other teams which could only offer a 4 years 97 million to Melo ? I just don't see how any team could top that, he's will chased for the max money, he's not leaving NY imo.

But nevertheless I don't want Melo in 2014 for a max-deal, he maybe have two more years left for his prime and soon he's gonna entering his decline phase in 2014, so Melo to the Lakers just doesn't make any sense to me.


You realize Dwight Howard left for 88 million when he could have had 118?


That's a different case to me, I believed there were many factors leading the departure of Dwight Howard other than money, first Howard wasn't happy playing in LA, after signed with Houston, he told reporters that he wants to have some fun and enjoy playing basketball, and he said he found it in Houston. During his tenure with us, Howard already make it known to the public that he didn't like coach Mike and wanted Phil Jackson so it's up to whether Jimbo wanted to make the changes or not, I think this was the biggest reason and played the major role in his decision on why he left the Lakers. I also believe that Dwight Howard wasn't thrilled playing with Kobe Bryant because he wanted to have his own team which wasn't about to happen anytime soon in LA, he wanted to be the primary "guy" on a franchise. Not to mention that Howard also left to Texas which didn't have to pay any state tax which would could save him few millions compare living in California.

Melo is in New York now, the biggest market in the NBA, I doubt he take the less (4 years 97 million) to come to the Lakers and be a 2nd offensive option on the team where else he could be a primary guy for a franchise in the New York.


Most of the reasons you listed why Dwight bolted could be why Carmelo follows suit :man3:
Dwight left LA, one of the biggest markets in the NBA and took less money to go to Houston, a small city, where, even with the no tax in place, will not give him as lucrative offers from sponsors. Granted, sponsors will come to you if you're attractive, but you move from a very attractive place to one where they go "Huh?" and that might bring in less, IMO.
He wants his own team? Fine, but Houston isn't the place because Harden is going to be their franchise player for the next few years; he is still going to be Robin to Harden's Batman, nothing's changed except his perception of a more "fun" destination and the best opportunity to win now.

Carmelo is in NY, but no one can speak for him. What's to say that he is happy right now? His current plan of making it work with Amare never panned out (and probably won't for this year either) and a better option may be to play in LA for less money, with the opportunity that he might get a better supporting cast - we won't know what this team will look like as of next year due to the hyped up 2014 FA frenzy. This option is taking Pau's route - being THE man never won him squat, he is 0-5 (I think) in the playoffs and has been swept in every playoff series without Kobe. He came here, became 1B/supporter instead of the man, and was more successful than he ever was in Memphis.

This.

I'm not saying Carmelo WILL leave, but the Lakers look far better and far easier to build a contender sooner than the Knicks do right now. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he realized that and left.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:40 am

The problem with Melo leaving team after team to chase a championship is that what he's really trying to get away from is himself. He's always been thought of as a top 5 player because of his scoring outbursts but every other aspect of his game is not even top 15. The dark cloud of playoff failure is not following him.... it's generated by him.

I could see ownership wanting a name and signing him.... we would get the name but we'd be no closer to a title again and we'd be yet again tossing huge money at a 30+ year old vet with diminishing game.

We need to rebuild the old fashioned way..... by developing the next star... not trying to sign them.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby Center Court on Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:08 am

Rooscooter wrote:The problem with Melo leaving team after team to chase a championship is that what he's really trying to get away from is himself. He's always been thought of as a top 5 player because of his scoring outbursts but every other aspect of his game is not even top 15. The dark cloud of playoff failure is not following him.... it's generated by him.

I could see ownership wanting a name and signing him.... we would get the name but we'd be no closer to a title again and we'd be yet again tossing huge money at a 30+ year old vet with diminishing game.

We need to rebuild the old fashioned way..... by developing the next star... not trying to sign them.


Then we should be tanking at all costs to get Wiggins. A guy that will be competing against George, KD, Bron, right away.
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Postby khmrP on Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:33 am

not getting Melo in 2014 would be like not getting to sleep with the hot chick thats known to have herpies :man9:
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:37 am

khmrP wrote:not getting Melo in 2014 would be like not getting to sleep with the hot chick thats known to have herpies :man9:



.....aaaaaand we have a winner..... :man10:
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:26 am

No to Melo.
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Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:41 am

Think of Melo as a means to acquiring others pieces. He may not be an elite No.1 player but he's still an All star. Once he joins other pieces will fall into place

I'm fully confident that Melo will be a Laker come July 2014

Knicks are a mess...competition around them has gotten better and they haven't

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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:17 pm

I'll think of Melo as a 20 million dollar a year "name" that can only do one thing inefficiently and nothing else consistently.
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Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:21 pm

There is room for improvement with Melo. If Dirk can win a ring with all his shortcomings (Granted its a different set of them) so can Melo
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:34 pm

What does Melo bring to the team aside from 40% on 25 shots a game?

What does Dirk?
What does Pau?

Melo's list starts and ends with inefficient scoring. At least Dirk and Pau brought/have other aspects to their game. Melo is a one dimensional player.
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:35 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'll think of Melo as a 20 million dollar a year "name" that can only do one thing inefficiently and nothing else consistently.


And I'd add a chickens**t coward to boot..... His punch and run on Mardy Collins was just about the biggest cheap shot I've ever seen in organized sport. At least Artest was beating up people that weren't being held....

If you're going to enter a fight then enter it.... don't punch and run with a smile on your face.

It's the same smile you see when the playoff games get tight and he starts missing shot after shot.... million dollar jump shot except when it counts.
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:43 pm

Doc Brown wrote:What does Melo bring to the team aside from 40% on 25 shots a game?

What does Dirk?
What does Pau?

Melo's list starts and ends with inefficient scoring. At least Dirk and Pau brought/have other aspects to their game. Melo is a one dimensional player.


Melo rebounds the ball very well. Last 4 yrs in playoffs: 6.6, 8.2, 10.3, 8.5

He could use some work when it comes to taking smarter shots and passing the ball more but its achievable playing next to Kobe. Pau learned to be better defender, tougher player, better rebounder...we all called him Pau Gasoft once and thought he was hopeless in the intangibles department but he improved once he came over from Memphis to LA, I expect Melo to improve his game next to Kobe
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Re: Melo AND Bron are Laker targets in 2014 (Ramona pg. 10)

Postby The Rock on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:45 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:I'll think of Melo as a 20 million dollar a year "name" that can only do one thing inefficiently and nothing else consistently.


And I'd add a chickens**t coward to boot..... His punch and run on Mardy Collins was just about the biggest cheap shot I've ever seen in organized sport. At least Artest was beating up people that weren't being held....

If you're going to enter a fight then enter it.... don't punch and run with a smile on your face.

It's the same smile you see when the playoff games get tight and he starts missing shot after shot.... million dollar jump shot except when it counts.


it was 6 years ago! Are you really going to hold that against him lol he went on to join the team he fought against
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