Vasashi17 wrote:Rock, that sample size has to incorporate Pau's injury, plus ask yourself with nearly a quarter of the season done, are 42 attempts nearly enough? Granted, he's missed some games...but just 42 attempts! We took 31 3s in the last game....31 3s in just one game!
Also, lets see: difference between Bron ball and Nash ball....oh, the other side of the ball. I'm cool with Kobe, Nash, Bron, whoever running the offense...heck the Showtime Lakers had Magic doing it and it was fun to watch. But there is the other side of the ball to look at. Unfortunately, D'Antoni ain't looking.
Dude wants to average 125 points a game....why? Cause they can't defend other teams from scoring just as much.
If you want to go uptempo, you want Nash to dominate the ball, you want PnR, you want 3ball....okay. Its all good to me. But a couple things need to work for that to happen. Make sure you focus just as much and even more on the other side of the ball. Also, make sure you have the proper personnel to run that type of offense. Finally and most important, has your vision shown to work? How many titles has it won?
I'm okay with tweaks, changes, anything to get a ring....but wait, dude hasn't won a ring. Meanwhile, post play has...Pau has, Dwight went to the finals. Heck, even our new frontline player in Kobe has won multiple titles with a solid post game. So...go to what works. The post aka the most inefficient play according to our residing offensive guru.
7-9 is our record with him at the helm. Pau is being highlighted in this discussion, but what about our other center? Dwight recently said that he would like the rock in the post..not in PnR...but in the post. Out of 16 games under D'Antoni, Dwight has gotten more than 13 shot attempts in a game twice. Foul trouble and free throw attempts impact that number, but just think about that for a second. An offensive guru would figure out a way to get "the future cornerstone of the franchise" (according to Mitch) the ball more. But Nash is out....well, I guess the debate that D'Antoni ain't ish without Nash holds true!
Vash it basically comes down to 2011 playoffs for Pau. He lost the trust of Kobe and especially the front office at that time. It wasn't that he was ineffective, he wasn't competing. Thats the least he could do. Thats why everyone was hopeful for the future when we lost 2008 it wasn't because we didn't try hard enough its just Celtics were better and we needed more time to get better as a group while adding missing pieces (Ariza/Bynum). Bynum wouldn't have a bigger role in this team Pau didn't inexplicably disappear in 2011. To complicate things further he came back and put up 18/10 solid ok but he wasn't shooting it at high rate, we were pounding the hell out of the rock last year even when Bynum was out of the game but still we weren't the same team. IT carried into the playoffs and same thing happens he wasn't competing at times when we really really need him (Game 4 vs OKC at home comes to mind and Game 6 at DEN comes to mind). The guy just isn't competing as hard as we want him to. Try harder. People here aren't mad because he isn't productive we're mad that he isn't trying hard enough.
Just look at Ron and Meeks those dudes have been trying hard as hell since Day 1 and no wonder their roles have gotten bigger and bigger with each passing day. Ron and Meeks have their share of bad days too but they dont stop trying. Thats what it comes down to Pau he needs to keep at it, he needs to keep grinding, he needs to keep competing, right now hes not doing that. HE hasn't been doing that since 2011 playoffs!
Theres no telling if Pau has truly snapped out of the 2011 funk, the only way our team can go about it is keep him but reduce his role (which is what I want since hes too talented/experienced to give up on) but at the same time if there is a better fit available I am down to trade him.
Pau brought this all on himself, it started with 2011
And as for the triangle, if you look at the 08/09/10 roster the core players had multiple years of triangle experience. Fisher (like 10), Odom (since 05), Kobe (like 10), Farmar (like 3-4), Sasha (4-5), thats a lot of experience under the triangle. Right now we only have 3 dudes who have triangle experience...Kobe, Pau and Ron and too many important players who are getting signficant minutes who dont (Nash, Howard, Meeks). Its too risky to implement this in the middle of the season with so many new players on the team. Basketball is a rhythmic sport. It thrives on continuity we have too many new players and it would be hard as hell to teach the traingle to them
Just like the impression of Pau we have from the glory days is what the impression of Phil that some of us Laker fans have...we still think both are just as good now in 2012 as they were in their glory days. They are not
Phil in 2010/2011 did a really bad job with the roster that just won the championship the year before
- Kobe couldn't practice cuz of knee issues so players were disengaged in practice & it carried into court
- Mitch traded for Joe Smith as a backup C & yet he ran Pau out there for 40+ mins a night until Drews return
- He let Shannon do whatever the hell he wanted, the guy shot like 28% from 3 point range for months and he was taking as many shots as MWP and more shots than Bynum
I could go on and on
Phil was a phenomenal coach but right now I can trust him, especially with the way how 2011 went
Same goes for Pau
The team right now was in a slump a week ago and injuries were part of the reason why. The team was constructed with the Big 4 playing a huge role in it and the other role players filling in the needs of the team. That was the visiion Mitch and Jim constructed this team under and we've only had 6 Quarters to actually see that come to fruition. Nash's return cuts down turnovers, it helps floor balance and it would get better looks for some of us players. More than that it boosts team morale and confidence which is really really what we need right now. Look for our team to turn things around! i have confidence in this coach and the roster as is! Go Lakers