MC wrote:vash -
excellent post............. to add to that, most people don;t understand that floor balance when a shot goes up goes a long way towards defending transition basketball. If you are going to have 3 or 4 guys always below the free throw line (either in the paint area or parked in the corners) when a shot goes up vs younger faster teams than you are setting yourself up to be massacred unless you are shooting lights out. When setting up an offense shots are suppose to come out at specific spots and times, if those shots are rushed or out of tune than your spacing can also be out of tune forcing you to be out of position for both rebounding and transition defense.
Real coaches think about these things.......... most fans are clueless to that.
Some people just won't understand that because there isn't a stat to show it to them.
Stat people need to understand that stats only show show you the result, not why the result is happening. If you don;t get the why than all the stats in the world won't help you. Stats support a good argument, they can't be the base of the argument.
In the end MDA's system is really a small ball system designed to reduce the size advantage bigger teams have.............. problem is the Lakers ARE THE BIGGER TEAM so what does MDA's system do.... runs right into our limitations and weaknesses as fast as it can.
This is my point. I disagree with your statement. I don't think that MDA's system is a small ball system designed to reduce our size advantage. I think that's what you and a lot of other CL members THINK MDA's system is designed to do, based on taking quotes out of context and years of fans/the press over-simplifying his system. But I don't see that on the court. I don't see us playing small ball. I don't see us significantly pushing the tempo. I don't see us ignoring our big men. And I don't see D'antoni's system being the cause of our defensive issues. And I agree. Stats aren't everything. But when I see one thing on the court and you see another, can't stats be used to support one viewpoint over the other?
For example, you guys are saying that you see D'antoni's system causing us to chuck up too many outside shots. What I see is us taking advantage of natural floor spacing and ball movement to make the correct play, and this leads to a lot of three point attempts. A lot of that comes from having the best inside-out big man in the league. My proof? Orlando has been a top 2 team in three point attempts since 2008. You also argued that all these outside shots are causing us defensive issues because we're too slow. I argue that lapses in effort in transition defense should be blamed on the players, not the coach pushing us to take open shots on offense. My proof? Even with all of their three point shots, Orlando has had one of the best ranked defenses in the league since 2008, despite a rotation featuring many 30+ year old players who had never been elite defensive players (Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Gilbert Arenas, Vince Carter, Quentin Richardson). Their younger rotation players also weren't exactly the greatest athletes: Ryan Anderson, Brandon Bass, JJ Reddick.
Vash argued that by not feeding the big men, we're taking away their incentive to play hard on defense.
First of all, that's the very same logic that was used in the other direction to hate on Bynum last year. Low shot attempts is NOT an excuse for poor defensive effort. But anyways, it's a moot point. Our bigs are still getting their shots. Dwight's shot attempts are down from 13.4 as a first option last year to 11.1 as a second option. Pau's are down from 14.1 as a third option last year to 11.6 as ... whatever option Pau is now. I don't think about 2 less shots a game on a more talented team is enough to justify them not hustling back on D. But still, if you do want to use that logic, wouldn't it cause just as much defensive problems to force-feed the bigs (one of whom has proven to be prone to getting stripped and turning it over, which CLEARLY does have a negative affect on defense) at the expense of open perimeter players?
Still, Vash and MC, you have respectable arguments and I can definitely see where you're coming from.
This, on the other hand ...
Lakerjones wrote:^^ For whatever reason that I can't grasp Antoni has been spitting out some real nonsense lately. What bothers me most is that the guy is about to get his muse back in Nash. Can't he just put the roster that Mitch created out there on the floor and prove that he is the coach that "best fits the personnel" - as we were all force fed when he was hired?
I just want to see these guys play together. I could really give a crap about this guy's "system" or ideas. Just do your freaking job Antoni. Mitch gave you a dream roster - just use it. Don't screw this thing up before it's even had a chance to work.
Lakerjones, I can't say I'm familiar with your posts off the top of my head, but you have over 10,000 posts and you've been a member for a while so I'm going to assume you're a decent poster and so I'll try to restrain myself and say this as respectfully as I can ... what in the hell? So because D'antoni's experimenting by tweeking the starting line-up from the one you envisioned winning, he's not doing his job? His job is to utilize this "dream roster" Mitch constructed in the best way he can to win us games. All this backlash just from putting Meeks in the starting line-up instead of Metta? Do you realize that Meeks is part of this "dream roster" (and someone Mitch specifically brought in this season as opposed to Metta who's been a question mark and potential amnesty candidate until this season)?
Here's an analogous argument:
After the Pau trade in 2008, I bought a t-shirt with the text: "Fisher Bryant Odom Gasol Bynum" since that was what the starting line-up was expected to be when Drew came back. DAMN YOU PHIL FOR BRINGING LO OFF THE BENCH AND REALIZING THAT OUR STARTING LINE-UP FEATURING 2 ELITE BIG MEN MIGHT FLOW BETTER WITH MORE SPEED AND SPACING! FIRE BJ! (Get it, I said BJ instead of PJ. Isn't that cute? It's not really his name, but I don't like him for making a personnel decision that made my t-shirt less legitimate!)
... Woke up at 6:30 after 3 hours of sleep. Couldn't immediately fall back asleep so I checked my phone, intending to just Reddit for a few minutes and fall back asleep. CL was already open. Noticed these posts. Now I'm here an hour later with my sleep totally ruined
... and all for a post that is probably just gonna get ignored for being too long and supporting an unpopular view