Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

wcsoldier81 wrote:

Ariza3 wrote:what happened to starting metta for key match ups? should he start against the clips? or come off the bench to try and guard jamal? who guarded him last time we played? i think he didnt shoot too well with whoever was on him

Morris on CP3
Nash on Green
Kobe on Caron

MC wrote:

wcsoldier81 wrote:

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:

Helljumper wrote:I'm sorry, but I can't take the anti-D'antoni posts that constantly bring up Phil seriously. He's not our coach. He won't be. We won't ever know what he'd be able to do with this team. You can bring up his track record, but the fact of the matter is that we have some glaring issues on this roster that have nothing to do with our offensive system, rotations, or defensive schemes. It's obvious that some of you are constantly (and unfairly) comparing what D'antoni's actually doing with this team with some imaginary hypothetical vision of this team that you had when you originally heard we might get Phil.

Seriously it's ridiculous. It's so easy to sit there and act like everything would have been perfect under Phil because of all the wonderful fantasies you draw up in your head because you don't have to worry about any of them ever being being proven wrong. And it's so easy to ridicule D'Antoni because of what has happened so far when the fact is so many of this team's problems go far beyond anything in his control.

Now seriously please stop talking about Phil in this thread. It's pathetic and really annoying. A couple of posters here don't seem to have anything better to do and can't seem to get over it.

Lakers fans are using every excuse they can to not admit the obvious : a flawed roster which lacks youth , athleticism and speed ...

With MDA as a coach : barely making the playoffs/1st round exit.

With Phil : MAYBE a 2nd round exit .... wow big deal .

This roster isn't championship material regardless of the coach ... I wish more posters would realize it

This is more about Philosophy than the names guys........

This is a flawed roster but why would you run full steam ahead towards your weaknesses?

Every team in the league is flawed one way or the other so I don't think your point flies there....... I personally don't want this team to follow the flavor of the week running teams..... it is better and works to your advantage too be different IF....IFFFFFFFFFF..... you have a good to great coach that can use it to his advantage.

good to great coaches play towards their strengths and reduces or masks their weaknesses.

average to Bonehead coaches just do what they do regardless of what their roster is.

Really, REALLY bad Front offices accumulate players with no sense of direction for the team than change their mind and philosophy if any hiccup or bump in the road comes along.......... what does that add up to for the Lakers? old as dirt roster trying to up[ the pace lmfao..............

sad.

Ariza3 wrote:

wcsoldier81 wrote:

Ariza3 wrote:what happened to starting metta for key match ups? should he start against the clips? or come off the bench to try and guard jamal? who guarded him last time we played? i think he didnt shoot too well with whoever was on him

Morris on CP3
Nash on Green
Kobe on Caron

as much as i dislike starting morris. hes honestly our best chance at guarding cp3 to start the game. but i really dont think it matters bc cp3 doesnt start games attacking...he starts with getting others involved and then later attacks if need be. i remember metta on cp3 sometimes and it actually wasnt half bad so i expect that to happen im sure somewhere in the game. nash or kobe on cp3 would be terrible. so morris meeks or mwp is our best bet imo. sad but true

caron has been red hot so kobe better not ball watch and sag way off him or we're doomed. same with nash on green.

could Phil do more? possibly. But he would have killed Nash's game along the way too...so there were some risks with Phil too. But you can't blame D'Antoni for not being Phil, nobody is going to fill those gigantic shoes.

borri wrote:

could Phil do more? possibly. But he would have killed Nash's game along the way too...so there were some risks with Phil too. But you can't blame D'Antoni for not being Phil, nobody is going to fill those gigantic shoes.

Under the TRI....Nash would be asked to shoot more. Seeing that he's our best shooter and shooting around 10 shots a game......that's a GOOOOOOD thing.

Nash isn't just an assist man, you know that right?

Not sure what you mean by killing Nash's game.

Amar'e Stoudemire took shot at Mike D'Antoni's coaching, blog says

According to the New York Times' Off the Dribble Blog, Amar'e Stoudemire took a shot at Lakers Coach Mike D'Antoni.

Stoudemire, who played for D'Antoni both with the Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks, told reporters at Knicks practice, "I've never been taught defense in my whole career."

D'Antoni has been credited by some as a revolutionary offensive coach but he is rarely given credit on the defensive end. Stoudemire hasn't built up much of a reputation as a defender, despite his All-Star credentials.

Knicks Coach Mike Woodson has the Knicks currently at 21-10.

"I think having a defensive coach for the first time in my career is going to help," said Stoudemire of Woodson.

While the Knicks certainly have a better record this season, the Lakers (15-16) have held teams to 44.6% shooting while New York has allowed 45.7%. Then again, the Lakers allow 100.3 points a game while the Knicks are stingier at 97.2.

D'Antoni certainly has a lot to prove as coach of the Lakers, especially with some of the team's defensive shortcomings (present since before his arrival).

In response to Stoudemire's comments, John Schuhmann of NBA.com' Hang Time Blog pondered on Twitter, "I wonder how Shawn Marion learned to be such a good defender without anyone to teach him."

Marion and guard Raja Bell were both capable defensive stoppers for D'Antoni in Phoenix.

khmrP wrote:and Nash isn't some Pg you tell to stand in the corner waiting to shoot 3's either, he's effective with the ball in his hands, something the Tri will take away from.

khmrP wrote:and Nash isn't some Pg you tell to stand in the corner waiting to shoot 3's either, he's effective with the ball in his hands, something the Tri will take away from.

MC wrote:

khmrP wrote:and Nash isn't some Pg you tell to stand in the corner waiting to shoot 3's either, he's effective with the ball in his hands, something the Tri will take away from.

You are making the assumption that Phil wouldn't give Nash the green light to run some pick and role action... that's a big assumption, he was using more of his last couple of years as a change up...... my guess is Jackson would have adjusted to give Nash more options in that manner.

The key however is that Jackson would have something to fall back on when Nash is NOT on the floor..... what does MDA have? nada.......... he needs a guy that is ball dominant and can distribute for the most part. This team is better than having to rely strictly on Nash don't you think?

khmrP wrote:

MC wrote:

khmrP wrote:and Nash isn't some Pg you tell to stand in the corner waiting to shoot 3's either, he's effective with the ball in his hands, something the Tri will take away from.

You are making the assumption that Phil wouldn't give Nash the green light to run some pick and role action... that's a big assumption, he was using more of his last couple of years as a change up...... my guess is Jackson would have adjusted to give Nash more options in that manner.

The key however is that Jackson would have something to fall back on when Nash is NOT on the floor..... what does MDA have? nada.......... he needs a guy that is ball dominant and can distribute for the most part. This team is better than having to rely strictly on Nash don't you think?

right the same way he adjusted for Payton?

MC wrote:

khmrP wrote:

MC wrote:

khmrP wrote:and Nash isn't some Pg you tell to stand in the corner waiting to shoot 3's either, he's effective with the ball in his hands, something the Tri will take away from.

You are making the assumption that Phil wouldn't give Nash the green light to run some pick and role action... that's a big assumption, he was using more of his last couple of years as a change up...... my guess is Jackson would have adjusted to give Nash more options in that manner.

The key however is that Jackson would have something to fall back on when Nash is NOT on the floor..... what does MDA have? nada.......... he needs a guy that is ball dominant and can distribute for the most part. This team is better than having to rely strictly on Nash don't you think?

right the same way he adjusted for Payton?

can a guy not learn and adjust? ....... like I said, he was using it a bit more in his last 2 years with this squad that didn't really have a guy that could truly orchestrate it.

khmrP wrote:

MC wrote:

khmrP wrote:

MC wrote:

khmrP wrote:and Nash isn't some Pg you tell to stand in the corner waiting to shoot 3's either, he's effective with the ball in his hands, something the Tri will take away from.

You are making the assumption that Phil wouldn't give Nash the green light to run some pick and role action... that's a big assumption, he was using more of his last couple of years as a change up...... my guess is Jackson would have adjusted to give Nash more options in that manner.

The key however is that Jackson would have something to fall back on when Nash is NOT on the floor..... what does MDA have? nada.......... he needs a guy that is ball dominant and can distribute for the most part. This team is better than having to rely strictly on Nash don't you think?

right the same way he adjusted for Payton?

can a guy not learn and adjust? ....... like I said, he was using it a bit more in his last 2 years with this squad that didn't really have a guy that could truly orchestrate it.

where was the adjustment during the shalacking Dall gave us? Oh thats right, this team was tired, Phil didn't give a crap anymore because he really didn't want to come back, blah blah blah. I dont like this offense either but alot of you guys making it seems as if PJ would make everything peachy on this team, when that is clearly not the case. This team has alot of deficiency, and most of them I do not see Phil being able to "adjust" to either. The Tri isn't some easy offense anyone can just pick up in a season like this w/o camp, only Pau/Kobe know it, this team would struggle just the same learning it now as they are with this PnR heavy offense.

Yes, the Lakers are old. But there's a way they can play old and win. ESPN Stats & Info broke it down ...
* The Lakers are 10-5 this season in low-possession games (95 or fewer possessions), but only 5-11 in high-possession games (96 or more possessions).

* With Mike D’Antoni on the sidelines, the Lakers are 8-2 in low-possession games, but only 2-9 in high-possession games.

* Early in the season, a fast pace wasn’t an issue: they won their first 3 games in which they had at least 100 possessions.

* But lately, they haven’t been good in fast-pace games: They’ve lost 6 of their last 7 games with at least 100 possessions.

* Meanwhile, they’ve won 5 straight games with 95 or fewer possessions.

* Seven of their last 8 wins have been with 95 or fewer possessions.

Lakers Record by Possessions
With Mike D’Antoni as Head Coach
100 or more 2-6
96-99 0-3
95 or fewer 8-2

Lakers Record This Season by Possessions
100 or more 4-6
96-99 1-5
95 or fewer 10-5

The Lakers have been more efficient offensively with a slower pace under D’Antoni. They’ve scored more than 100 points per 100 possessions in each of their 10 games under D’Antoni with a pace of 95 or lower.

Lakers Offensive Efficiency Under D’Antoni
By Possessions
100 or more 101.1
96-9 102.2
95 or fewer 112.5

Lakers Under Mike D’Antoni
By Possessions
96 or more 95 or fewer
W-L 2-9 8-2
Offensive Efficiency 101.4 112.5

This could be a problem going forward, as it appears the Lakers are playing at an even HIGHER pace now that Steve Nash is back. Since Nash returned, the Lakers are averaging 98.6 possessions per game, third-most during that span.

Lakers Possessions Per Game
This Season
Rank
Before D’Antoni 95.9 9th
With D’Antoni/Without Nash 96.8 5th
With D’Antoni & Nash 98.6 3rd

Are the Lakers an older team? Yes. But they’re not the oldest – the Knicks and Heat are older.

Oldest NBA Teams This Season

Players Weighted by Playing Time

Average Age

Knicks 31.2
Heat 30.5
Lakers 30.4
Celtics 30.3
Spurs 29.7
>>Source: Elias Sports Bureau

Credit to Ryan Feldman of ESPN for putting this together.