Mike D'Antoni Discussion: post in 7 seconds or less

lakersin4 · by **lakersin4** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:48 pm

I agree with the people saying Dwight needs more touches. We need to be blowing teams out in 3 quarters so they can't hack their way back in the game, cuz our bench is out there. For now Jamison/Hill close games, when Pau is back it's Pau with Jamison & Hill alternating. If we're up big it won't be benching Dwight. Not that D'antoni should be scared to do that..

Battle Tested20 · by **Battle Tested20** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:30 pm

Finwë wrote:We didn't get Phil. He's not coming back. We need to move on.

Thank You! I'm tired of everyone complaining. Nothing is going to change, whether you agree with the hire or not Mike D'Antoni is going to be our coach this year. Deal with it and move on.

Scnottaken · by **Scnottaken** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:05 pm

lakersin4 wrote:I agree with the people saying Dwight needs more touches. We need to be blowing teams out in 3 quarters so they can't hack their way back in the game, cuz our bench is out there. For now Jamison/Hill close games, when Pau is back it's Pau with Jamison & Hill alternating. If we're up big it won't be benching Dwight. Not that D'antoni should be scared to do that..

Trodgers has already shown statistical evidence that Dwight is consuming quite a few possesions, so he is getting touches. And unlike Bynum, we can't just dump it into him and he'll go to work for a couple reasons: He will likely get fouled and miss 1/2 or 2/2, and he has the footwork of a paraplegic :man10:

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Finwë · by **Finwë** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:46 pm

Scnottaken wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:I agree with the people saying Dwight needs more touches. We need to be blowing teams out in 3 quarters so they can't hack their way back in the game, cuz our bench is out there. For now Jamison/Hill close games, when Pau is back it's Pau with Jamison & Hill alternating. If we're up big it won't be benching Dwight. Not that D'antoni should be scared to do that..

Trodgers has already shown statistical evidence that Dwight is consuming quite a few possesions, so he is getting touches. And unlike Bynum, we can't just dump it into him and he'll go to work for a couple reasons: He will likely get fouled and miss 1/2 or 2/2, and he has the footwork of a paraplegic .

This. People don't get that touches don't = number of shots, especially for big men. They look at the box score and say "Howard only took 11 shots! We need to feed him the ball more", completely ignoring statistical evidence such as the one trodgers keeps updating that shows that he's getting the ball plenty.
When Howard gets the ball, one of these things happens:
-he takes a shot (hook / layup / dunk / putback / bank shot)
-he is fouled (non-shooting)
-he is fouled and shoots FTs
-he turns it over
-he is doubled and passes it out (regular pass or hockey assist)
-he is doubled and passes it out and gets and assist
He gets a lot of touches, 2nd most in the team, but he can't shoot it every time, nor do we really want him to force stuff.

I would agree though that we could do a better job in terms of getting him better looks. For example, we should look at how the Magic used him in P&R, with us it seems he's setting screens but rarely getting the ball back for an easy one, because there's not enough space sometimes or the screen is to high and the defense rotates in time, or something else happens. That's one example.
Also, many times his shots will be influenced by his hustle. If he works the glass and gets offensive rebounds he'll get way more opportunities for easy putbacks.

thkthebest · by **thkthebest** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:03 pm

The number of touches that Dwight actually gets is less than any stat actually implies. A lot of Dwight's free throws have been intentional fouls. He uses a possession, technically, but he's not getting "touches". Dwight also averages 3.5 offensive rebounds per game. Technically, he's using a possession whenever he gets an offensive rebound and puts it back up, but that's not really him getting "touches". I guess it is technically, but I think what others are trying to say is that we should let Dwight initiate the offense from the post more.

I don't really mind though. When Nash gets back, I'm hoping he'll be able to distribute the ball more evenly and orchestrate our offense better. He'll find our team's best offensive advantage as opposed to giving a player touches for the sake of giving him touches.

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:07 pm

If we throw out a lineup of Duhon/Meeks/Kobe/Jamison or MWP / D12.....

We should dump it into D12, that's the closest thing we can get to what D12 had in Orlando. I hope we use that lineup more going forward, especially when Nash comes back.

lakersin4 · by **lakersin4** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:39 pm

Doc Brown wrote:If we throw out a lineup of Duhon/Meeks/Kobe/Jamison or MWP / D12.....

We should dump it into D12, that's the closest thing we can get to what D12 had in Orlando. I hope we use that lineup more going forward, especially when Nash comes back.

This is what we need to do. Problem being Kobe has to play D if Metta isn't on the wings.

lotus · by **lotus** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:26 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
Finwë wrote:We didn't get Phil. He's not coming back. We need to move on.

Thank You! I'm tired of everyone complaining. Nothing is going to change, whether you agree with the hire or not Mike D'Antoni is going to be our coach this year. Deal with it and move on.

I still wish we had Phil running the triangle, waxing zen wisdom, recommending books, quipping subtle humor, outwitting opposing coaches, leading the team to its 17th ring. But, instead we're running and gunning (and losing), though not scoring many points. :man5:

Pig Miller · by **Pig Miller** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:39 pm

i thought this new style of play was supposed to be fun?

karacha · by **karacha** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:43 pm

It is. Once you start winning.

CaCHooKa Man · by **CaCHooKa Man** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:54 pm

Pig Miller · by **Pig Miller** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:55 pm

karacha wrote:It is. Once you start winning.

we've been waiting 21 games for that to happen. guess the team just wants us to wait till the all star break.

if trudell was right, and mike D was talking about pushing the ball when we were down 6 points in the last 1.5 minutes, instead of focusing on defense, we're really going to be in for a long season.

karacha · by **karacha** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:59 pm

We'll have to wait some more, until Nash and Pau come back and then we'll see. I'm not saying it's suddenly going to much better. I don't know. But we'll have to wait. There's nothing else to be done.

noobiew · by **noobiew** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:00 pm

Mike DAntoni is living to his reputation, no DEFENSE !

icencream27 · by **icencream27** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:00 pm

WE NEED A DEFENSIVE COACH

ad2ian · by **ad2ian** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:03 pm

3 minutes left down by 10. How come they weren't pressing the ball?! :bang:

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:04 pm

ad2ian wrote:3 minutes left down by 10. How come they weren't pressing the ball?!

This isn't high school.

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:12 pm

I would love to see a Meeks/Kobe/MWP/Hill/Dwight lineup. Morris is useless and Meeks can easily play better at the point next to Kobe.

Duhon had to play 48 mins in order for us to win tonight IMO with the turnovers we had

trodgers · by **trodgers** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:13 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
ad2ian wrote:3 minutes left down by 10. How come they weren't pressing the ball?!

This isn't high school.

scott12199 · by **scott12199** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:15 pm

even with a defensive assistant coach, will MDA put in the right group of guys to play defense? We are in for a long season. I am just about ready to call it a season. It hurts too much to see my guys lose to mediocre teams. =(

Jellincon · by **Jellincon** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:24 pm

D'Antoni. I don't know if you've heard but defense wins championships. You might want to start stressing this during practice. Your team might start winning more games if you do.

CaCHooKa Man · by **CaCHooKa Man** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:24 pm

it was depressing hearing mike trudell report that d'antoni was talking about offense at the end of the game instead of getting stops

jbiggs · by **jbiggs** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:27 pm

karacha wrote:We'll have to wait some more, until Nash and Pau come back and then we'll see. I'm not saying it's suddenly going to much better. I don't know. But we'll have to wait. There's nothing else to be done.

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:10 pm

hope the road trip helps build some chemistry and get these guys to all unite and be on the same page defensively. Hill should be the one everyone should watch for energy and effort. I'm blaming the starters for a lack of effort etc. Bench guys brought it and thus stole MWP and Jamison's minutes.

odom1year · by **odom1year** on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:18 pm

D'Antoni needs Nash in his strategy.

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